domcucch1994 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Not sure if any of you heard of Andrew Yang. Presidential long shot who wants to give every American ages 18-64, $1000 a month.. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/andrew-yang-tax I like the idea, but it would take a massive overhaul of our current economic system, not to mention, taxes would double on everyone, and probably triple on the ultra wealthy(but fuck them, they got money). I guess if we ended social welfare programs and just replaced it with this, could it work? Im not sure... Im not an economist.. but if I had an extra 12k of disposable income a year, life would be a lot easier. Wouldn't be stressing about having to work every damn day to just make it by.. It would cost trillions of dollars a month, perhaps more, to give everyone this much money.. BUT.. Banks produce loans out of thin air, why can't the government do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, domcucch1994 said: Not sure if any of you heard of Andrew Yang. Presidential long shot who wants to give every American ages 18-64, $1000 a month.. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/andrew-yang-tax I like the idea, but it would take a massive overhaul of our current economic system, not to mention, taxes would double on everyone, and probably triple on the ultra wealthy(but fuck them, they got money). I guess if we ended social welfare programs and just replaced it with this, could it work? Im not sure... Im not an economist.. but if I had an extra 12k of disposable income a year, life would be a lot easier. Wouldn't be stressing about having to work every damn day to just make it by.. It would cost trillions of dollars a month, perhaps more, to give everyone this much money.. BUT.. Banks produce loans out of thin air, why can't the government do the same? They do. Just remember in this, the age of outrage and envy, the jerk off making minimum wage is going to be supremely pissed off if actual deadbeats are getting paid the same as he is for doing fuck all. Then those with low or zero skills will bee screaming for twice the minimum wage. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 heard of him - he's one of the worst maniacs in the socialistdem party. cloward-piven, I'ma tellin ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, domcucch1994 said: Not sure if any of you heard of Andrew Yang. Presidential long shot who wants to give every American ages 18-64, $1000 a month.. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/andrew-yang-tax I like the idea, but it would take a massive overhaul of our current economic system, not to mention, taxes would double on everyone, and probably triple on the ultra wealthy(but fuck them, they got money). I guess if we ended social welfare programs and just replaced it with this, could it work? Im not sure... Im not an economist.. but if I had an extra 12k of disposable income a year, life would be a lot easier. Wouldn't be stressing about having to work every damn day to just make it by.. It would cost trillions of dollars a month, perhaps more, to give everyone this much money.. BUT.. Banks produce loans out of thin air, why can't the government do the same? Free stuff isn't so free...the left just can't explain who will pay for all the free stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domcucch1994 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, Vambo said: Free stuff isn't so free...the left just can't explain who will pay for all the free stuff. True. Nothing is free.. Someone is paying for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, domcucch1994 said: Not sure if any of you heard of Andrew Yang. Presidential long shot who wants to give every American ages 18-64, $1000 a month.. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/andrew-yang-tax I like the idea, but it would take a massive overhaul of our current economic system, not to mention, taxes would double on everyone, and probably triple on the ultra wealthy(but fuck them, they got money). I guess if we ended social welfare programs and just replaced it with this, could it work? Im not sure... Im not an economist.. but if I had an extra 12k of disposable income a year, life would be a lot easier. Wouldn't be stressing about having to work every damn day to just make it by.. It would cost trillions of dollars a month, perhaps more, to give everyone this much money.. BUT.. Banks produce loans out of thin air, why can't the government do the same? im not for or against it.....it seems on one hand like utter disaster but on the other hand if the job msrket keeps going the way it is everything will be automated. U wont even be able to work fast food soon. If certain people dont come to the realization soon that "automation" will in essence destroy what we've come to know as "humanity"....thsn sonething like basic income will be a complete necessity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Looking ahead automation appears that it will idle many human workers but the answer will never be to just pay people not to do anything, the answer likely will be tax breaks and govt subsidies for businesses not to automate but hire human workers....that would be my prediction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Looking ahead automation appears that it will idle many human workers but the answer will never be to just pay people not to do anything, the answer likely will be tax breaks and govt subsidies for businesses not to automate but hire human workers....that would be my prediction. u mean govt interfering with free market capitalist progress? sorry i had to get off the #memetrain for just a moment to look u in the eye and mske damn sure u fully understand what ur suggesting. And ur not wrong....as a "collective" our society may need to step up and say this compketely devalues our existence. But in doing so we're flirting with the dreaded "S" word. And we'd be right to do so ofc but theres a heck of alot of other problems we face as a society that we need to address as a collectiv. And it would be awfully smashing if some of u older gaylords (not necessarily u OBF) who never properly learned the distinction between communism and socialism snd the varying degrees of free market mechanics, would stop throwing the C word at anybody but particularly the younger kids...who are going to be the ones that figure how we're going to continue existing on this plsnet in a meaningful way. cause right now all these kids can come up with is this perpretuation of the dream of the digital eden.....where we send a robot version of ourselves to work and then jack into a virtual reality world to go play. Yes i know that was a bruce willis movie but some version of that is where i honestly see this ending up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: u mean govt interfering with free market capitalist progress? sorry i had to get off the #memetrain for just a moment to look u in the eye and mske damn sure u fully understand what ur suggesting. And ur not wrong....as a "collective" our society may need to step up and say this compketely devalues our existence. But in doing so we're flirting with the dreaded "S" word. And we'd be right to do so ofc but theres a heck of alot of other problems we face as a society that we need to address as a collectiv. And it would be awfully smashing if some of u older gaylords (not necessarily u OBF) who never properly learned the distinction between communism and socialism snd the varying degrees of free market mechanics, would stop throwing the C word at anybody but particularly the younger kids...who are going to be the ones that figure how we're going to continue existing on this plsnet in a meaningful way. cause right now all these kids can come up with is this perpretuation of the dream of the digital eden.....where we send a robot version of ourselves to work and then jack into a virtual reality world to go play. Yes i know that was a bruce willis movie but some version of that is where i honestly see this ending up. I am being pragmatic when I condemn socialism because it doesn't work. Thatcher was right, there is not enough of other peoples money to go around. Capitalism is not without it's faults and I am not against some tweaking with capitalism but capitalism does produce the highest standard of living for it's people so that is where I am at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: I am being pragmatic when I condemn socialism because it doesn't work. Thatcher was right, there is not enough of other peoples money to go around. Capitalism is not without it's faults and I am not against some tweaking with capitalism but capitalism does produce the highest standard of living for it's people so that is where I am at. but u have to manage it or it collapses under its own weight. Which im afraid is almost unavoidable now in this country. Capitalism has been allowed to run unfettered across our lands and its chewed nearly everything up and spit it out....which is what it does by nature unless people cognizantly put limits on it. But all tgtoughout the decades anybody that tried doing that got shouted out with COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE. That goes on right here on this board.... you often wonder why people dont give AF about being american anymore.....you wonder why a sizeable chunk of america didnt give AF about kaepernick kneeling. I can tell u becsuse nobody feels like this is a "family" anymore...its just a viper pit. So why are u surprised when nobody cares about thst flag when it hasnt stood for anything mesningful fir a "very" long time? Capitalism with the aid of "the swamp" has run this country into the ground. Its just a system of top down pressure that squeezes every ounce of blood out of the reg man and then when theres nothing left it squeezes some more. Sure, the squeezers have materualistically tge highest standsrds of living of all time and some table scrsps do fall our way. But overall the avg american is some of the most miserable people on the planet....because the value of our labor was squeezed out by the ruling class so they could control the vast sums of wealth created by our monetary structure. And now at the end, they will replace people who didnt agree thst $7/hr or less was overly generous....with robots. Simply because they'd rsther pay stock holders that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Theres nothing intrinsically wrong with a free market economy but our society never understood that some things needed to ve done collectively whike other things could be left to a free market competive structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Theres nothing intrinsically wrong with a free market economy nor is there any such thing anywhere on Earth I would imagine. Not since the cavemen decided to give a couple members a little extra Mastodon meat to keep watch over the village. but our society never understood that some things needed to ve done collectively whike other things could be left to a free market competive structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: but u have to manage it or it collapses under its own weight. Which im afraid is almost unavoidable now in this country. Capitalism has been allowed to run unfettered across our lands and its chewed nearly everything up and spit it out....which is what it does by nature unless people cognizantly put limits on it. But all tgtoughout the decades anybody that tried doing that got shouted out with COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE. That goes on right here on this board.... you often wonder why people dont give AF about being american anymore.....you wonder why a sizeable chunk of america didnt give AF about kaepernick kneeling. I can tell u becsuse nobody feels like this is a "family" anymore...its just a viper pit. So why are u surprised when nobody cares about thst flag when it hasnt stood for anything mesningful fir a "very" long time? Capitalism with the aid of "the swamp" has run this country into the ground. Its just a system of top down pressure that squeezes every ounce of blood out of the reg man and then when theres nothing left it squeezes some more. Sure, the squeezers have materualistically tge highest standsrds of living of all time and some table scrsps do fall our way. But overall the avg american is some of the most miserable people on the planet....because the value of our labor was squeezed out by the ruling class so they could control the vast sums of wealth created by our monetary structure. And now at the end, they will replace people who didnt agree thst $7/hr or less was overly generous....with robots. Simply because they'd rsther pay stock holders that money. Nancy Pelosi can say the average American is being thrown the scraps while the rich profit with the Trump tax breaks but the fact is the country as a whole benefited from those tax breaks. A rising tide floats all boats. We have an economy under Trump that was promised for 8 years under Obama but never materialized. Jobs are plentiful and increased wages are the result. I believe in supply side economics because I saw it work firsthand under Reagan and how the economy flourished under his terms. That economy never happened under Jimmy Carter. You don't punish successful people, you want more of them. We all benefit that way. The way it doesn't benefit us so much is when businesses move out of the country and that business may succeed and do well but not so much the people in our country. This is another area Trump has done well at in working to keep businesses here and not moving abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, OldBrownsFan said: Nancy Pelosi can say the average American is being thrown the scraps while the rich profit with the Trump tax breaks but the fact is the country as a whole benefited from those tax breaks. A rising tide floats all boats. We have an economy under Trump that was promised for 8 years under Obama but never materialized. Jobs are plentiful and increased wages are the result. I believe in supply side economics because I saw it work firsthand under Reagan and how the economy flourished under his terms. That economy never happened under Jimmy Carter. You don't punish successful people, you want more of them. We all benefit that way. The way it doesn't benefit us so much is when businesses move out of the country and that business may succeed and do well but not so much the people in our country. This is another area Trump has done well at in working to keep businesses here and not moving abroad. u still dont intrinsically understand whst happened in the 80's and why we got away with the volume of deficit spending that we did. Im not a tax and spend liberal but im also not a deficit monkey that says "just put it on the CC we'll get the money from somewhere eventually". Supply side economics looked pretty good when we were able to print the worlds reserve completely unfettered. The reagan years will never happen agsin because the rest of the world will never huckleberry for us like they did back then. And without those foreign entities slurping off our debt.....we'd just invite 3rd world inflation levels if we tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 and the economy today may be intermediarly boosted by irrstional exhuberance but it takes years if not DECADES of sustained growth to accuratrly judge anybody policies. Short term stimulus of an economy is EASY.....but if it gsrners a rubber bsnd snap bsck in a few years what was it worth?? just makes a very select people a good chunk of money but tge rest of us suffer when the bubble pops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: and the economy today may be intermediarly boosted by irrstional exhuberance but it takes years if not DECADES of sustained growth to accuratrly judge anybody policies. Short term stimulus of an economy is EASY.....but if it gsrners a rubber bsnd snap bsck in a few years what was it worth?? just makes a very select people a good chunk of money but tge rest of us suffer when the bubble pops. Tell that to Obama so he will stop trying to take credit for the economy under Trump... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Tell that to Obama so he will stop trying to take credit for the economy under Trump... fair enough...all presidents do this. Trump will take credit for what happens under the next guy...will u hold him to the same standard ur holding obama to right there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: fair enough...all presidents do this. Trump will take credit for what happens under the next guy...will u hold him to the same standard ur holding obama to right there? That will kind of depend on the economy if the Democrats take over. And sweep the houses. I doubt he'll take credit for the upcoming recession WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 And isn't it just a little bit early to start preparing for the post-apocalypse? Yes I know Mad Max and Zager and Evans 2525 are groundbreaking societal dystopian predictions but we aren't quite to the point of machines doing everything while 95% of the human beings lay around ingesting hallucinogens and waiting for food deliveries. As much as the DNC would love it. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I wouldn't be opposed with one caveat: it's taken from the bezos' and soros' and Zuckerbergs' of the world. The ordinary person pays nothing. And it's not a sliding payscale. I get the same, on top of my income, as an indigent freeloader in the metropolitan housing projects. . That's really unlikely to happen. Since it's probably Democrats pushing for it, I suspect they'll want to pay more or less depending on your rank in the victim heirarchy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 18 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: fair enough...all presidents do this. Trump will take credit for what happens under the next guy...will u hold him to the same standard ur holding obama to right there? Obama is a narcissistic a-hole. Trump is the first American president that can legitimately take credit for the success of the economy under a sitting president, although good argument can be made for Reagan. To jog your memory...recall Obama and Biden both were telling us that the 1% growth rate at the time was the "new normal, so get used to it?" Those two told us that America’s best days were behind us, that the past records of economic growth were unreal, yet Obama has the gall to think he is to be credited for an economy and unemployment rate unseen in our lifetimes? Obama had zero interest in boosting the US economy, only the global economy. You know it's true. Obama said manufacturing jobs were never coming back. "Hows Trump gonna do it, wave a magic wand?" No here's how: Hopefully the sources meet your approval. Deregulation under President Trump | Manufacturing Regulations ... https://www.industryweek.com/.../deregulation-under-president-trump-behind-numbe... Trump Removes Restrictions on Ethanol Gas at Iowa Rally | Fortune fortune.com › Leadership › Environmental Protection Agency Mar 8, 2018 - Fewer New Regulations under the Trump Administration ... One of the Trump major rules was a de-regulatory action (removal of the Obama-era ... How Trump launched the biggest regulatory rollback in American history https://theweek.com/.../how-trump-launched-biggest-regulatory-rollback-american-his... Cached Oct 9, 2018 - One Day After Catastrophic UN Climate Report, Trump Removes ... benefits are more than offset by the emissions caused in producing ethanol. 37 Ways Donald Trump Has Remade the Rules for Business - WSJ https://www.wsj.com/.../how-donald-trump-has-remade-the-rules-for-business-1516190... Jan 17, 2018 - The Trump administration in its first year has pushed for deregulation ... Status: Done; Impact: Manufacturers will save the cost of removing the ... Trump administration cancels hundreds of Obama-era regulations ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trump...regulations/.../55f501cc-6d68-11e7-96ab-5f... Jul 20, 2017 - Trump administration cancels hundreds of Obama-era regulations ... authorized laws, and the White House cannot unilaterally remove them. ... In the National Association of Manufacturers' most recent survey of its members, ... How the Trump Administration Pulled Back on Regulating Toxic ... https://e360.yale.edu/.../how-trump-administration-has-pulled-back-on-regulating-toxi... Cached Feb 12, 2019 - The Trump administration has halted bans on toxic chemicals that are ... curtailed its ability to remove known hazards like asbestos from the market. ... The pullback on the planned restrictions on toxic substances reflects the ... use of certain chemicals that might be profitable sales lines for the manufacturers. Trump rolls back worker safety rules - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/.../trumps-worker-safety-regulations-protections-unions-806... Cached Sep 3, 2018 - We want to protect our workers,” Trump said in 2017. ... When President Donald Trump came into office pledging to cut regulations “massively,” he made ... especially in traditional industries like manufacturing and coal mining. ... proposal that they seek to remove “unnecessary regulatory obstacles” and cut ... 78 Environmental Rules on the Way Out Under Trump - The New York ... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/.../trump-environment-rules-reversed.html Oct 5, 2017 - This is the full list of environmental policies the Trump administration has targeted, ... rule designed to limit toxic emissions from major industrial polluters. ... cover the costs of removing rigs once they have stopped producing. 23 Environmental Rules Rolled Back in Trump's First 100 Days - The ... https://www.nytimes.com/.../2017/.../environmental-rules-reversed-trump-100-days.html May 2, 2017 - Citing federal overreach and burdensome regulations, Mr. Trump has prioritized .... The rule required tire manufacturers and retailers to provide … Sep 9, 2017 - President Trump speaks at a Michigan manufacturing company. ... actions as president was to remove an Obama-era ethics restriction banning … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Search Modes ALL IMAGES NEWS VIDEOS MAPS SHOPPING BOOKS FLIGHTS PERSONAL SEARCH TOOLS Showing previously fetched resultsUPDATE Search Results Web results Was Jesus A Socialist, Capitalist, Or Something Else? - Forbes Forbes › billflax › 2012/01/31 Jan 31, 2012 · I'm a capitalist and you might be socialists. Christians can be either, but Christ was neither. He was the Author and Finisher of faith. Has Capitalism Become Incompatible With Christianity? - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com The New York Times › 2014/06/25 › has... Jun 25, 2014 · Jesus drove money changers out of the Temple, calling them “a den of thieves. ... Is contemporary capitalism compatible with Christian values? American Christians: Are We Being Formed by Christ or Capitalism? - Missio Alliance Missio Alliance › dear-american-christian... Mar 7, 2018 · I used to work with a pastor who liked to remind the staff, “Efficiency isn't a kingdom value.” Efficiency—a metric by which the majority of ... In France, Jesus is a Communist | Acton Institute Acton Institute › transatlantic › 2017/11/13 Nov 13, 2017 · Capitalism: The Economy According to Jesus Christ, illustrates that approach perfectly. In a recent interview with a French media outlet, ... What Jesus said about capitalism - Sydney Morning Herald Sydney Morning Herald › au › ... Apr 9, 2012 · Most churchgoers see no great conflict between their beliefs and life in a market economy such as ours. But proponents of the ... Jesus was a capitalist – not a socialist | Reclaiming America for Christ ReclaimAmericaforChrist.org › 2010/12/20 Jesus was a capitalist – not a socialist. Dec 20, 2010. I am appalled today to hear many of our leaders openly advocating socialism. Not that long ago, being ... What does the Bible say about capitalism? - Got ... Got Questions? › capitalism-Bible Does the Bible support the concept of a capitalist ecomony? ... of the book of Proverbs and many of the parables of Jesus deal with economic matters. Jesus' teachings in line with capitalism | Bladen ... Bladen Journal › Opinion › Letters Mar 13, 2018 · A recent writer asked: “Which system reflects Christ's teaching?” The writer asked, “does capitalism or socialism reflect Christ's teachings? Values & Capitalism » Reconciling Ayn Rand and Jesus - Values & Capitalism www.valuesandcapitalism.com › reconcil... There is no hypocrisy in being a fan of both Rand and Jesus. There are many ways in which Christianity and Rand's philosophy of Objectivism are irreconcilable ... Values & Capitalism » Is Jesus a Communist or a Capitalist? Christian Responses to Poverty ... www.valuesandcapitalism.com On March 3, 2014, over 320 Azusa Pacific University ( APU) students from across different disciplines as well as local community members gathered for a ... Page Navigation More results Footer Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just going to leave this here... https://gizmodo.com/fully-automated-warehouses-are-a-decade-away-amazon-sa-1834459784/amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, tiamat63 said: Just going to leave this here... https://gizmodo.com/fully-automated-warehouses-are-a-decade-away-amazon-sa-1834459784/amp Not to mention automatic delivery via drones or programmed vehicles on the horizon. And that's just for your retail stuff. Even more reason to staunch the flow of illegals flooding the United States. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Just going to leave this here... https://gizmodo.com/fully-automated-warehouses-are-a-decade-away-amazon-sa-1834459784/amp If you think 10 years away is a long time than I guess that puts your mind at ease for the time being but I think 10 years will come quickly .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Westside Steve said: Not to mention automatic delivery via drones or programmed vehicles on the horizon. And that's just for your retail stuff. Even more reason to staunch the flow of illegals flooding the United States. WSS Illegals aren't filling these jobs nor the bulk of jobs most "normal" Americans are going to lose. Not that I don't believe the entire border, INS and the like require an overhaul including the asylum and security measures. Point being - you have corporate tax rates slashed, less money for local and state infrastructure then you have to take into account subsidies. And, as per this example, you have multiple industries working to even further automate their processes = loss of jobs = loss of tax revenue. Not ideal all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, OldBrownsFan said: If you think 10 years away is a long time than I guess that puts your mind at ease for the time being but I think 10 years will come quickly .... I don't believe 10 years is a long time at all. 2009 was 10 years ago. Let that sink in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Point being - you have corporate tax rates slashed, less money for local and state infrastructure then you have to take into account subsidies. And, as per this example, you have multiple industries working to even further automate their processes = loss of jobs = loss of tax revenue. er... okay... those were corporate tax rates on the FEDERAL LEVEL. Not local and state taxes? The more federal tax you levy on companies, the less money they have for capital growth and accruing resources... economics was not one of my favortie subjects.....but I believe the state and local taxes rates would stay the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Illegals aren't filling these jobs nor the bulk of jobs most "normal" Americans are going to lose. Not that I don't believe the entire border, INS and the like require an overhaul including the asylum and security measures. seems like you are making my own argument. These jobs are going away and like Springsteen said and they aren't coming back. And the illegals are coming in without those jobs to fill. Not only that but wait until they figure out a way to pick grapes with a machine. Well more efficiently actually since they already do. Point being - you have corporate tax rates slashed, less money for local and state infrastructure then you have to take into account subsidies. And, as per this example, you have multiple industries working to even further automate their processes = loss of jobs = loss of tax revenue. Not ideal all around. automation is the future. We can't stop it. We couldn't stop it with the assembly line or the electric hair dryer or the vacuum cleaner or the washing machine and we won't stop it now. not ideal at all. You are correct. But... WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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