tiamat63 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 I remember partaking in the conversation quite a while back... Schob moving back to more of a WILL role with Mack in the middle makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course this would mostly be predicated on a new DC (Please, Christ) and a personnel/scheme review. Kirksey is gone. What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob. I just hate carrying dead money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorsRpussies Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 hours ago, MDDawg said: Simple, Dorsey didn't draft him. He hates Sashi's players and prefers his "real" football players like Jermaine Whitehead. If Schobert walks they're going to create a hole in the LB corp, Wilson is nowhere close to the production of Schobert and TakiTaki is a special teams caliber player for the foreseeable future. So far Dorsey looks incapable of building a team but is fixated on bringing in his guys, creating a hole somewhere then uses picks and cap space to fix it. Good teams keep their talent, Schobert was a 4/5th round pick that's been developed into a probowler and we're going to let another team benefit from that? Agree with everything you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: I remember partaking in the conversation quite a while back... Schob moving back to more of a WILL role with Mack in the middle makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course this would mostly be predicated on a new DC (Please, Christ) and a personnel/scheme review. Kirksey is gone. What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob. I just hate carrying dead money. Cutting Kirk before 6-1-20 carries a $3.6mm dead money, price tag (saving 16.8). His play does not warrant that price, but he has been the leader of our D and I've seen no one step into the void he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Cutting Kirk before 6-1-20 carries a $3.6mm dead money, price tag (saving 16.8). His play does not warrant that price, but he has been the leader of our D and I've seen no one step into the void he left. Best ability is availability, which ain't Kirk. Schob is a bit more low-key, I give you that. But going off what the rest of the defense has said when asked, Joe has stepped up as the 'leader' on the field. At least, by our players admission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 I could never understand this. You never let a talented player walk!! Even if you believe he doesn't fit what you are trying to do or just isn't in the future plans. Sign and trade! Get something for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 I’m highly interested in steps forward for this team, so l am all for resigning Schobert. He’s basically the captain of the defense, or at least the coordinator’s on field assistant, so you take him away you gotta find someone new for that role. A rookie likely won’t cut it. Kirksey when healthy? Maybe. Mack? Eh. I’d like us to maintain any positive momentum we have going into next year, and l think Schobert is part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 MLB bears as much responsibility as any Defender for stopping the run and more than most. Our D ranks 27th vs. the run. I like Joe, but he's not an impact MLB.... 4-3's need a thumper in the middle. His ability to flow, his sure tackling and his coverage ability are better suited to 4-3 OLB... IMO... but even there, not at any price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: MLB bears as much responsibility as any Defender for stopping the run and more than most. Our D ranks 27th vs. the run. I like Joe, but he's not an impact MLB.... 4-3's need a thumper in the middle. His ability to flow, his sure tackling and his coverage ability are better suited to 4-3 OLB... IMO... but even there, not at any price. What does a 4-2-5 require? Since that is what we are running and since whatever it requires we do not seem to be able to provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Thinking out loud, wouldn't our long term need be more of a two OLB at about 235', no ILB type of thing? Due to the prevalence of 5-wides using rub routes over the middle to get open, wouldn't the "thumper" position be more of a one-down specialist, and LB's sought for coverage? So our ideal player type would be the as-yet-theoretical Consistent Mack Wilson? This doesn't mean we wouldn't draft guys who play college ILB, just that they need OLB speed/quickness as well. Conveniently, many of 2020's top LB are exactly this type. More than 2 of these should still be available for both of our 3rd round picks: Murray, Moses, Lewis, Grenard, Okwara, Jennings, Brooks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said: Thinking out loud, wouldn't our long term need be more of a two OLB at about 235', no ILB type of thing? Due to the prevalence of 5-wides using rub routes over the middle to get open, wouldn't the "thumper" position be more of a one-down specialist, and LB's sought for coverage? So our ideal player type would be the as-yet-theoretical Consistent Mack Wilson? This doesn't mean we wouldn't draft guys who play college ILB, just that they need OLB speed/quickness as well. Conveniently, many of 2020's top LB are exactly this type. More than 2 of these should still be available for both of our 3rd round picks: Murray, Moses, Lewis, Grenard, Okwara, Jennings, Brooks Good out loud stuff... When I talk about a thumper I emphasize that trait because it's what I see us missing... but in reality I want the whole MLB package. Since those guys don't grow on trees tho, I'd sacrifice a little Pass D capability for the rest of the package of which speed and agility are key parts. For me this is still a league where the first order of a D's business is stopping the run....and Ds are built front 2 back and inside out. That puts MLB right at the crossroads. Who that is and did they play inside or outside in college? Dunno... early for me and TBH I focus more on the other side of the ball, but by the time The Combine rolls around I'll be more conversant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 2:20 AM, tiamat63 said: I'm not about to drop my IQ to room temperature just to hang out with you mouth breathers at that level. I'm saving that sentence in my "phrases worth incorporating into my English" file. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 8:20 PM, tiamat63 said: You actually listed players at completely different positions then Troy Not only that there are multiple players who aren't eligible for the hall of fame as they haven't been out of the league long enough or are still playing in the freaking league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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