Happy Impeachment Day!

[Tour2ma]

See y'all at the trial...

[calfoxwc]

no you won't. It won't last long. maybe about a half hr and the farce will be with you, but OUR PRESIDENT TRUMP

will still be MAGA.

have a nice day.

lol

[The Cysko Kid]

"Dog and pony show" is a colloquial term which has come to mean a highly promoted, often over-staged performance, presentation, or event designed to sway or convince opinion for political, or less often, commercial ends.

[The Cysko Kid]

This is the third dog and pony show the democrats have run in as many years. 

 

Kavanaugh - failure

Mueller - failure

Impeachment farce - destined to fail 

 

And yet they keep on putting on these expensive wastes of time and who's even their top candidate now? Some nutcase who tried to pose as an Indian to get free college and got caught out? That's pretty offensive. If some Republican claimed he was an American Indian to try to get free college it would not go over well with the democrats. They'd probably stage a dog and pony show over it. 

 

[MLD Woody]

I mean it sounds like this wasn't a complete failure

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/%3famp=true

Along with a team of experienced prosecutors and attorneys, the former FBI director has indicted, convicted or gotten guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies, including top advisers to President Trump, Russian spies and hackers with ties to the Kremlin. The charges, which Mueller referenced during his opening statement to the House Judiciary Committee on July 24, range from interfering with the 2016 election and hacking emails to lying to investigators and tampering with witnesses.

[Vambo]

who defected from party lines on the impeachment vote:

- Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) voted Present on both articles

- Collin Peterson (D-MI) voted no on both articles

- Jared Golden (D-ME) voted no on article II

- Jeff Van Drew (D-NJ) voted no on both articles

[The Cysko Kid]

25 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

I mean it sounds like this wasn't a complete failure

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/%3famp=true

Along with a team of experienced prosecutors and attorneys, the former FBI director has indicted, convicted or gotten guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies, including top advisers to President Trump, Russian spies and hackers with ties to the Kremlin. The charges, which Mueller referenced during his opening statement to the House Judiciary Committee on July 24, range from interfering with the 2016 election and hacking emails to lying to investigators and tampering with witnesses.

That would be fine except this was designed only to get trump and no one else. In that, it was an abject, total failure. 

[Vambo]

24 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

I mean it sounds like this wasn't a complete failure

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/%3famp=true

Along with a team of experienced prosecutors and attorneys, the former FBI director has indicted, convicted or gotten guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies, including top advisers to President Trump, Russian spies and hackers with ties to the Kremlin. The charges, which Mueller referenced during his opening statement to the House Judiciary Committee on July 24, range from interfering with the 2016 election and hacking emails to lying to investigators and tampering with witnesses.

How many were convicted of Russia Collusion crimes?  Complete failure...

[Vambo]

Since 2018 what have Dems complete for the American People?    The Dems have failed on everything.

 

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said:

That would be fine except this was designed only to get trump and no one else. In that, it was an abject, total failure. 

I guess that's just your opinion then, and I have mine. Charging people involved with the campaign shows something, even if it wasn't what they were hoping to see.

If I want to draft a HOFer and I get a Pro Bowler then it is a disappointment but not a failure

 

Whatever tho, that's fine. No one here is going to change their mind

[hoorta]

4 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

no you won't. It won't last long. maybe about a half hr and the farce will be with you, but OUR PRESIDENT TRUMP

will still be MAGA.

have a nice day.

lol

Of course Cal. NO chance he's going to get kicked out of office, and Pelosi and the Democrats know that damn well. By my stupid math around 14 Republican senators would have to join the Democrats and vote for removal from office. Since it's turning into a strictly partisan thing- no way in hell that's happening. 

So the Donald will go on his merry way telling America and the world how wonderful he is, and those nasty mean Democrats don't like him. The real referendum comes in November. 

Please make that YOUR PRESIDENT TRUMP. I long ago tired of his grade school level tweets. 

[Canton Dawg]

[OldBrownsFan]

9 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

See y'all at the trial...

Maybe...Nancy saying now she may not send the articles of impeachment to the Senate because...wait for it.....she is worried they may not get a fair trial in the Senate...LOL..this after we all saw how "fair" Nancy, Schiff and Nadler were to the republicans in the House.

[Westside Steve]

Not that I think it would make her a favorite of mainstream Republicans Tulsi Gabbert voted present.

Maybe it's a political strategy and it's worked to an extent with some Republicans who find themselves getting more airtime because they speak out against other members of their own party. I don't know that it lasts very long into the general election but it does help keep one's name in the news.

WSS

[LogicIsForSquares]

2 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Not that I think it would make her a favorite of mainstream Republicans Tulsi Gabbert voted present.

WSS

I dipped in to see how the natives were handling the attempted impeachment of President Midol.

I actually like Gabbard but no way she wins with how partisan things are now. 

[Westside Steve]

Remember add to cart it's much easier than proceed to checkout.

🙈🙉🙊

WSS

[FairHooker11]

10 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

See y'all at the trial...

what, get all dressed up and have no where to go?

[hammertime]

If you voted for Impeachment you are not an American.

Absolute mockery of the Americans who voted for Trump.

 

Imagine having  a POTUS who does what he was elected on....time for the Democratic Party to disband.

[TexasAg1969]

24 minutes ago, hammertime said:

Imagine having  a POTUS who does what he was elected on....time for the Democratic Party to disband.

Imagine half a nation and an entire party turning itself into a flock of bleating sheep asking a dear leader to sheer them them yet again.

Oh wait. That's already happened.................................................................Nazi Germany. Congrats to the former Republicans everywhere. Bah Humbug!🐑🐑🐑🐑

[OldBrownsFan]

15 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Imagine half a nation and an entire party turning itself into a flock of bleating sheep asking a dear leader to sheer them them yet again.

Oh wait. That's already happened.................................................................Nazi Germany. Congrats to the former Republicans everywhere. Bah Humbug!🐑🐑🐑🐑

The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) 😄 

[hammertime]

In the past it would be normal to respect that every one deserves to have their own opinion.

That notion is not guaranteed anymore due to the absolute criminal proceedings we’re witnessing.

Your type is gonna fade out Tex...truth is gonna prevail.

[Westside Steve]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/01/18/under_the_new_trump_standard_why_wasnt_obama_impeached_136029.html

Interesting article and RealClearPolitics doesn't seem to be slanted really hard one way or the other. I MO

WSS

[TexasAg1969]

Conservative Washington Times Op-Ed from Fox Commentator. 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/18/trump-impeachment-undisputed-evidence-that-he-abus/

From the Op-Ed:

"James Madison, the author of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, feared a government that was strong enough to protect the people would become too strong for the people to control. It would use its powers not for the nation’s betterment but its own. When the government fails to control itself, he argued, when the president becomes a law unto himself by violating the laws that pertain to all others, the remedy is impeachment.

The framers’ greatest fear was a president who would unlawfully put his own needs above the nation’s or who would drag a foreign government into our domestic affairs. Mr. Trump has tried to do both and threatened to repeat those attempts. That’s why the remedy of impeachment is acutely needed."

[calfoxwc]

once napolitano got suspended from Fox, he's been all leftie. He doesn't want

antifa, the leftist half of the media coming after him.

After Fox, he couldn't make any more appearances in the media.

So, he had to switched sides. You'd think Juan Williams would have learned his lesson...

[OldBrownsFan]

1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Conservative Washington Times Op-Ed from Fox Commentator. 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/18/trump-impeachment-undisputed-evidence-that-he-abus/

From the Op-Ed:

"James Madison, the author of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, feared a government that was strong enough to protect the people would become too strong for the people to control. It would use its powers not for the nation’s betterment but its own. When the government fails to control itself, he argued, when the president becomes a law unto himself by violating the laws that pertain to all others, the remedy is impeachment.

The framers’ greatest fear was a president who would unlawfully put his own needs above the nation’s or who would drag a foreign government into our domestic affairs. Mr. Trump has tried to do both and threatened to repeat those attempts. That’s why the remedy of impeachment is acutely needed."

The framers greatest fear is we would have political impeachments which is what the democrats have given us. If this is the standard for impeachment now than Obama would have been impeached and about every president going forward now can be impeached. We have an ELECTION in less than one year and the voters should be deciding Trump's fate and not partisan democrats in the House. 

[hoorta]

4 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

The economy is setting records, same with low unemployment, all the ISIS territory was taken back in Syria and Iraq, Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel, terrible Obama Iran peace plan and Paris climate accords torn up, the border has been made more secure than ever, mfg jobs Obama said were lost forever have come back, better trade agreements made...etc...(some people just cannot handle all this winning ) 😄 

And some  people just can't  handle  the  guy responsible  is a slimeball. Germany was going  gangbusters  pre WW II run by that little  guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of  scary. That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable.  And this wasn't the first time  either. 

13 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

The framers greatest fear is we would have political impeachments which is what the democrats have given us. If this is the standard for impeachment now than Obama would have been impeached and about every president going forward now can be impeached. We have an ELECTION in less than one year and the voters should be deciding Trump's fate and not partisan democrats in the House. 

Trump's  never going to get tossed out of  office, (at least  before  November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the  standard  going forward, because hopefully the  American  electorate will vote for a president  who's better qualified for the office. 

[tiamat63]

4 minutes ago, hoorta said:

And some  people just can't  handle  the  guy responsible  is a slimeball. Germany was going  gangbusters  pre WW II run by that little  guy with a mustache. To me the parallels between his followers and the hard core MAGAs are sort of  scary. That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable.  And this wasn't the first time  either. 

Trump's  never going to get tossed out of  office, (at least  before  November) so what are you worried about? MHO it won't be the  standard  going forward, because hopefully the  American  electorate will vote for a president  who's better qualified for the office. 

You think you're going to get 50% of these tards to vote 3rd party, then you're hitting that J too long.      Time to pass it over this way.

[Canton Dawg]

[JAFBF]

16 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

See y'all at the trial...

[calfoxwc]

46 minutes ago, hoorta said:

That the Donald obstructed  a Congressional  investigation  isn't  debatable. 

how is it NOT debatable? My goodness.... if using Executive Privilege to establish the continuing

necessary ability to converse with important staff at all, were considered "obstructing Congress"....

   come on, now. lol. I mean, seriously. lol When Clinton, Nixon and ObaMao used it, it was for glaringly

legit reasons other than protecting the exec branch/presidency.

Pres Trump - the mueller three year investigation turned up NOTHING. and that is with sixteen anti-trump aggressive prosecutors after it. Pres Trump gave a ton of evidence over to them.

   The lefties in the House have been on a tidal wave fishing exhibition. No good reason for it, either.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-presidents-use-executive-privilege

Bill Clinton

The Clinton White House was mired in two major scandals involving Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky. During these investigations, President Clinton used executive privilege 14 times, which included protecting First Lady Hillary Clinton from testifying during the Whitewater hearings and protecting himself from testifying in both cases.

His executive privilege claims, as well as his attorney-client claims in the Lewinsky investigation, were challenged in federal court. Citing U.S. v. Nixon, the courts determined that the prosecutor’s needs outweighed the confidentiality of executive documents and discussions. This ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court, as the White House sought to avoid a headline-grabbing legal loss.

Clinton was eventually impeached by the House but not convicted the Senate, allowing him to finish his second term.

Barack Obama

President Obama’s most famous use of executive privilege came during the “Fast and Furious” scandal. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms had run an operation to sell guns to Mexico, in the hope that they could track those weapons to major drug cartels and apprehend some of their members. The guns were not able to be tracked and one was eventually used in the killing of a border patrol agent.

Representative Darrell Issa and Senator Chuck Grassley held hearings to determine what went wrong during the mission. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder both said they did not know about it until a few weeks prior to the killing and did not authorize it. Congress and the Department of Justice ended up in a standoff over the sharing of 1,300 documents, leading Obama to assert executive privilege in order to keep them private. In retaliation, Congress voted to cite Holder for contempt of Congress.

Much like Nixon and Clinton, Obama’s claim of executive privilege was rejected by a federal court, and the documents were turned over.

Clearly, in the last half-century, executive privilege has lost some of its luster. But while executive privilege may be on the ropes after several defeats in court over the years, history indicates that President Donald J. Trump and future Presidents will continue to call upon this power—and the courts will continue to judge its necessity.

Chris Calabrese is an intern at the National Constitution Center. He is also a recent graduate of St. Joseph’s University.