Gorka Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Not everyone getting a social security check paid in and ultimately my generation will likely never see what we paid in. Yes like spouses who have never worked and their husbands who have are dead, regardless it's still money that was paid in being returned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevada-caucuses-underway WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: If you are supporting Bernie than you are about to see first hand the media bias conservatives face on a regular basis with the MSM. The democrat establishment does not support Bernie and the MSM carries the water for the democrat establishment. Bernie himself is already complaining about how the media is treating him unfairly https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/02/22/bernie-sanders-goes-ballistic-on-nbc-news-over-coverage-complaints/ The recent headlines about the Russians wanting Bernie to win the election is our intelligence agencies and MSM working to sabotage Sanders. Apparently Sanders was notified about this weeks ago but surprise it gets leaked to the MSM right before the Nevada caucus. Coincidence no doubt. Even though Sanders won Nevada easily it doesn't take away they attempted to sabotage him. https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/02/22/787580/ Welcome aboard as a Sanders supporter to our world as Trump supporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: If you are supporting Bernie than you are about to see first hand the media bias conservatives face on a regular basis with the MSM. The democrat establishment does not support Bernie and the MSM carries the water for the democrat establishment. Bernie himself is already complaining about how the media is treating him unfairly https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/02/22/bernie-sanders-goes-ballistic-on-nbc-news-over-coverage-complaints/ The recent headlines about the Russians wanting Bernie to win the election is our intelligence agencies and MSM working to sabotage Sanders. Apparently Sanders was notified about this weeks ago but surprise it gets leaked to the MSM right before the Nevada caucus. Coincidence no doubt. Even though Sanders won Nevada easily it doesn't take away they attempted to sabotage him. https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/02/22/787580/ Welcome aboard as a Sanders supporter to our world as Trump supporters the world of your deranged conspiracy theories from 4chan anon's on twitter? yeah no thanks the world where every single bit of negative coverage, no matter how warranted, is called "fake news" from the mainstream media (while ignoring all of the media pro to your cause)? yeah, no thanks but obviously the establishment doesn't want Bernie. That's clear if they fuck him over they piss off a large part of the people that would otherwise vote Dem. If they clearly sabotage him again a Dem isn't getting my vote. No matter how big of an incompetent fuck up trump is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: the world of your deranged conspiracy theories from 4chan anon's on twitter? yeah no thanks the world where every single bit of negative coverage, no matter how warranted, is called "fake news" from the mainstream media (while ignoring all of the media pro to your cause)? yeah, no thanks but obviously the establishment doesn't want Bernie. That's clear if they fuck him over they piss off a large part of the people that would otherwise vote Dem. If they clearly sabotage him again a Dem isn't getting my vote. No matter how big of an incompetent fuck up trump is Bernies tirade against NBC and MSNBC shows he might be a new believer in fake news. As for the pro media for Trump the MSM has been running around 90 percent negative coverage of Trump and during the impeachment the nightly news ABC, CBS and NBC ran 100 percent negative coverage against Trump's attorney's. So it is hard to ignore all the negative coverage. I'm not into conspiracy theories but I believe there is a deep state. You have to see that at least someone in our intelligence agency worked to sabotage Sanders with the Russia story leaked to the media conveniently right before the Nevada caucus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Wow sad that actual people like birdboy exist.. squares etc. perfect example why parents should never give up. It’s obvious why these cowards can’t handle life .... sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, hammertime said: Wow sad that actual people like birdboy exist.. squares etc. perfect example why parents should never give up. It’s obvious why these cowards can’t handle life .... sad awe, aren't you adorable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Not that there's anything wrong with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Most of Bernie's policies wouldn't get passed. Obviously, the Republicans won't support anything, but the Democrats won't give much either. Only his more moderately whacky ideas will garner enough votes in the House, but they'll die on the Senate floor. If you want governmental stagnation for awhile, he's your guy. Does anyone actually believe he could pass a universal healthcare bill? The GND? College for all? Gtfoh. It's a joke. This guy really gained popularity on Real Time with Bill Maher. That's where his base was born. I'm sure John Oliver is endorsing him now, even though I haven't watched in awhile. He gets marketed well on trendier, edgier news shows young adults are more likely to watch. The entertainment news crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 isnt it gonna be all about his running mate anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, FairHooker11 said: isnt it gonna be all about his running mate anyway? Because Sanders is an old geezer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Because Sanders is an old geezer? and to the kids - a scary looking meanie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, FairHooker11 said: isnt it gonna be all about his running mate anyway? I can just imagine the horror of a Bernie scheme designed to unite the Bernie Bots and hordes of Hillary voters who were "denied" their choice in the last election. As a gesture of "let bygones be bygones", Bernie selects Hillary for VP. Bernie croaks in office. Hillary becomes president. Someone please tell me why that is not a clever scheme, and how it would backfire, because I can't think of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, FairHooker11 said: and to the kids - a scary looking meanie? I hope he gets the nomination and I hope he mans up and picks AOC. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: I hope he gets the nomination and I hope he mans up and picks AOC. WSS It would be great for China and Russia. We would become the North American Venuzueala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 15 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: It sounds like Woody is willing to payroll it. I don’t think that is a slight. I think that is far more noble than squalling about socialism while pocketing a social security check and driving around on government funded roads. And I will give Woody credit for supporting some of the things he does such as environmental issues and healthcare for all and is willing to pay more taxes to do it. I wouldn't question his motives at all as they appear to be good ones. On its face socialism would seem to be the way to go to accomplish making our system more fair and just to all except we have history to show that socialism fails when it is tried with Venezuela being the most recent example. Venezuela went from the most prosperous South American country to the poorest in a short period of time when they became a socialist country. Sanders not that long ago proclaimed Venezuela to be the new American dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: It would be great for China and Russia. We would become the North American Venuzueala. Well mostly I want those two to run together because they would get their ass kicked so badly and probably turn the House of Representatives red and add another 10 seats at the Senate. WSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MLD Woody Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 All I'll say is Trump was a joke 4 years ago. There was no way Trump could win. Etc etc. But then he convinced a group of people that had previously felt ignored to get out in large numbers to vote for him (and ran against a trash Dem opponent). Another group here is apathetic, disengaged young people who are justifiably over our political system. All of the nonsense and corruption from both sides. The same thing can happen if that group is convinced to get out. That being said, if the establishment fucks Bernie again, the Dem party deserves the loss. I hope he runs as an Independent just to make it clear how much they fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 “Socialists ignore the side of man that is of the spirit,” Reagan said back in 1975. “They can provide shelter, fill your belly with bacon and beans, treat you when you’re ill – all the things that are guaranteed to a prisoner or a slave. But they don’t understand we also dream, yes, even of owning a yacht.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 You know how those on the right here have complained about the left calling everything racist, so now that word has lost it's meaning? Well that's basically what the right is doing with socialism. Quoting Reagan and going on about Venezuela while saying how evil socialism is works for 48 year old suburban mom on Facebook that won't take it any further, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Oh, I see. That Reagan phrase was on Fox today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 CNN taking shots at MSNBC lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 socialism - as understood by those who never expeienced it, and don't understand the tragic, devastating failures of it from the beginning of the first socialist gov........ sounds good on a shallow, utopian promise level. It's far more complicated than young people dancing around chanting keywords like "fairness", and slogans like "everybody wins", "everybody gets a piece of the pie", and of course, "spread the wealth". There is no "Robin Hood" in socialism. The reason is far more complex than a simple emotional reaction to the idea that "everybody gets big bucks", and free hc, college, paid off loans, free houses...etc etcetc etc etc etc etc. https://www.hoover.org/research/why-socialism-fails too many folks, young and old, who tend toward accepting the idea - don't care about the history of socialism always failing. As usual, they simply think that THEY are the super smart ones who can make utopia work. the bigger problem is - it won't. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/13/why-socialism-fails/ 'According to Mark J. Perry, Ph.D., a professor of economics and finance at the University of Michigan’s Flint campus, and a scholar at American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a conservative D.C.-based think tank, socialism fails “because it’s a flawed system based on completely faulty principles that aren’t consistent with human behavior and can’t nurture the human spirit.” ' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, MLD Woody said: All I'll say is Trump was a joke 4 years ago. There was no way Trump could win. Etc etc. But then he convinced a group of people that had previously felt ignored to get out in large numbers to vote for him (and ran against a trash Dem opponent). that's true. But more than just ignored those people were openly sneered at. Another group here is apathetic, disengaged young people who are justifiably over our political system. All of the nonsense and corruption from both sides. sure. But those people don't really vote. Maybe the turnout made a difference. The same thing can happen if that group is convinced to get out. No Doubt. Bernese people are pretty energized. And young people don't often vote, they might this time. Like you said, if the Democrats fuck him over again they are staying home for sure and I don't see any excitement for Joe or Bloomberg or Pocahontas. That being said, if the establishment fucks Bernie again, the Dem party deserves the loss. I hope he runs as an Independent just to make it clear how much they fucked up. you are right. Of course if that happens I would keep him on a 24-7 suicide watch. one more thing about voter apathy especially among folks are a little bit older who have been excited about one candidate or another voted them into office and found out that nothing really changes. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: <br /> CNN taking shots at MSNBC lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 53 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: CNN taking shots at MSNBC lol When the lib news media starts taking shots at each other you know the good guys are winning. And winning big. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 You Bernie Suckers Are Going to Get Fooled Again https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/02/20/you-bernie-suckers-are-going-to-get-fooled-again-n2561582 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 21 hours ago, Gorka said: Yes like spouses who have never worked and their husbands who have are dead, regardless it's still money that was paid in being returned. Does SSI disability come out of that same fund? Seems like that group has doubled or tripled or more over the last few years . WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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