Westside Steve Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-young-back-bernie-sanders-11582071616 WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 One of the key statements is we didn't get the turnout we expected. Nobody liked Hillary. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Apologies. When I clicked on this from Google the story came up I thought it was kind of interesting. What I posted it here Wall Street Journal wants money. Fuck em. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 That is incorrect. This is the actual tax plan. 52% would be over 20 million a year, not $29 thousand for married filing jointly, $10 million for single. https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;mj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Axe Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Axe said: Think before you tweet But he probably did... Knowing his followers don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 woodpecker never thinks, he only "feels", and his emotional beak-jerking just bitches at people, and tries to tell them what to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Axe said: This is bullshit. See my post a few above on the actual tax rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Talk about Bullshit.. Have you gone to that link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, Axe said: Talk about Bullshit.. Have you gone to that link? So you posted a tweet that is supposed to take Bernie's own plan and use it against him Then you're told the content of the tweet is false, and that isn't Bernie's plan So you respond "well that's not even really his plan anyway and it's just nonsense!" So then why show / believe the original tweet? Why believe this rando MAGA account posting unverified nonsense instead of the direct source? Is it because you liked and agreed with what you read, and didn't think to look into it anymore than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Why believe this rando MAGA account posting unverified nonsense instead of the direct source? Is it because you liked and agreed with what you read, and didn't think to look into it anymore than that? The direct source is BULLSHIT young man.. Go to the link.. I happen to know a lot of people in the real world that live in countries with socialized medicine.. If you believe those numbers then you are a bigger fool than we've all thought. You too DH.. 42% is a realistic number and still proves the point. It brings the min wage in reality down from $15 an hr down to about $8.64 an hr, and THAT doesn't begin to consider the price increase on everything to pay for that $15hr min wage.. Think before you vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Kids love Bernie because they want free $#!+ without working. When I was in HS many many years ago, myself and my friends thought Socialism was the best form of Government. We were young, the Economy was not the best, and we really didn't know what future we had in comparison too what was shown us via the Media at the time for what successful people were. From our perspective at the time, there was no way to "get there" from where we currently were. We were relegated too mediocre jobs with no real prospect of major advancement over a reasonable amount of time. I'm sure most of us has been through this, and looking back, most of us are probably amazed that we've made it too the point we are in our lives. Same thing with Bernie Kids, they just don't realize that work and skill can move them in ways they have no imagination to comprehend. Still takes effort, but right now is the best time ever to set out from ground zero - the Economy is hot and only getting hotter, the workforce is getting tighter, and future prospects look a far cry better than when I was their age. Hell, if Bernie gets elected, I'll quit and grab as much free stuff as I can too. At least until folk realize that everyone else wants free stuff as well and quits working too - then there will be nothing left to get . . . That's Socialism/Communism, and is why the Pilgrims initially nearly starved too death when they first settled this Nation. The more you know . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 I'd love free health care.. At this point in life I realize nothing is free.. And even if the healthcare became free, I would have already paid the price... Kids.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 47 minutes ago, Axe said: The direct source is BULLSHIT young man.. Go to the link.. I happen to know a lot of people in the real world that live in countries with socialized medicine.. If you believe those numbers then you are a bigger fool than we've all thought. You too DH.. 42% is a realistic number and still proves the point. It brings the min wage in reality down from $15 an hr down to about $8.64 an hr, and THAT doesn't begin to consider the price increase on everything to pay for that $15hr min wage.. Think before you vote. So you have no reason to believe the number in that tweet than your own biases. Will you admit the number in the tweet that makes this guys "point" isn't based in reality, or at least isn't anything confirmed in any way? I mean.... It's much easier to make shitty tweets against something when you can invent the "facts" in that tweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 What the fuck is wrong with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, JAFBF said: Kids love Bernie because they want free $#!+ without working. When I was in HS many many years ago, myself and my friends thought Socialism was the best form of Government. We were young, the Economy was not the best, and we really didn't know what future we had in comparison too what was shown us via the Media at the time for what successful people were. From our perspective at the time, there was no way to "get there" from where we currently were. We were relegated too mediocre jobs with no real prospect of major advancement over a reasonable amount of time. I'm sure most of us has been through this, and looking back, most of us are probably amazed that we've made it too the point we are in our lives. Same thing with Bernie Kids, they just don't realize that work and skill can move them in ways they have no imagination to comprehend. Still takes effort, but right now is the best time ever to set out from ground zero - the Economy is hot and only getting hotter, the workforce is getting tighter, and future prospects look a far cry better than when I was their age. Hell, if Bernie gets elected, I'll quit and grab as much free stuff as I can too. At least until folk realize that everyone else wants free stuff as well and quits working too - then there will be nothing left to get . . . That's Socialism/Communism, and is why the Pilgrims initially nearly starved too death when they first settled this Nation. The more you know . . . Bernie is my top choice and I don't want free shit. I don't need free shit. I own a home and have a great job. Work and skill got me here, as well as fortune circumstances outside of my control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Just now, Axe said: What the fuck is wrong with you? Mmhmm... Right. Ok. You can just admit you're wrong and move on man, it's alright. The tweet was nonsense with nonsense numbers. But you liked it. We get it. You love any meme you can throw up here without thinking. Tell ya what, if your next reply is just more nothing I'll let it go and we'll move on from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 You don't know, what you don't know.. In a few yrs, you will come to realize that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Axe said: You don't know, what you don't know.. In a few yrs, you will come to realize that. With age comes wisdom as most people learn from their mistakes. Sometimes we have to learn the hard way. I learned my lesson after voting for Jimmy Carter. Bernie would be an even greater disaster than Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Axe said: I'd love free health care.. At this point in life I realize nothing is free.. And even if the healthcare became free, I would have already paid the price... Kids.. Last few years Easy Street was together we'd spend three to six months of the year doing the hotel circuit and Ontario and Quebec. Experience their Healthcare System first ad. People in America would not stand for it I guarantee you. I know you have a huge footprint up there. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-solidifies-frontrunner-status-joe-biden-black-voters-poll-1487925 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: With age comes wisdom as most people learn Key word here - most. *looks around* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Key word here - most. *looks around* Clint just shot a hole in my argument. https://twitchy.com/greg-3534/2020/02/21/new-libertarian-clint-eastwood-endorses-anti-gun-stop-and-frisk-sugar-cop-mike-bloomberg/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Clint just shot a hole in my argument. https://twitchy.com/greg-3534/2020/02/21/new-libertarian-clint-eastwood-endorses-anti-gun-stop-and-frisk-sugar-cop-mike-bloomberg/ Clint is 89 and doesn’t have much pull anymore. He will get a pass for being in Good, Bad, Ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 8 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Bernie is my top choice and I don't want free shit. I don't need free shit. I own a home and have a great job. Work and skill got me here, as well as fortune circumstances outside of my control. Bernie would be a disaster not only for the country but you personally. You have a great job now and are benefiting from a Trump economy. But lets say even best case scenario that after Sanders puts our economy in the toilet and you survive the the lay offs and cut backs you will be paying so much more in payroll taxes. Somebody will have to pay. There is no free lunch. Somebody will have to pay for medicare for all, the disastrous green new deal and college for all. College grads won't mean much when there are no jobs available. It is simple when you take away the incentives for successful people they stop trying. When you only punish the successful business person they stop building new businesses. What incentive will they have when they will not be rewarded but punished for doing it? And it will be a double slam on job creation with not only higher taxes but new burdensome govt regulations that will kill new job creation. Wages are up because there are so many new jobs and employers are forced to pay higher wages to get and keep employees. This kind of a situation is better for workers than any union will ever be. I am old enough to remember working in prior recessions and it is a terrible situation for workers. I remember one employer say in an employee meeting one time during the Jimmy Carter recession that he had a stack of job applications on his desk and if anyone didn't like their job then "don't let the door hit ya on the way out" and this company treated employees with that attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Bernie would be a disaster not only for the country but you personally. You have a great job now and are benefiting from a Trump economy. But lets say even best case scenario that after Sanders puts our economy in the toilet and you survive the the lay offs and cut backs you will be paying so much more in payroll taxes. Somebody will have to pay. There is no free lunch. Somebody will have to pay for medicare for all, the disastrous green new deal and college for all. College grads won't mean much when there are no jobs available. It is simple when you take away the incentives for successful people they stop trying. When you only punish the successful business person they stop building new businesses. What incentive will they have when they will not be rewarded but punished for doing it. And it. will be a double slam on job creation with not only higher taxes but new burdensome govt regulations that will kill new job creation. Wages are up because there are so many new jobs and employers are forced to pay higher wages to get and keep employees. This kind of a situation is better for workers than any union will ever be. I am old enough to remember working in prior recessions and it is a terrible situation for workers. I remember one employer say in an employee meeting one time during the Jimmy Carter recession that he had a stack of job applications on his desk and if anyone didn't like their job then "don't let the door hit ya on the way out" and this company treated employees with that attitude. This isn’t some gotcha but I hear this every time but European economies outside of places like Mediterranean countries (been to Italy several times and can understand why; they could fuck up a wet dream) seem to be doing fine and have plenty of business and high wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 minute ago, LogicIsForSquares said: This isn’t some gotcha but I hear this every time but European economies outside of places like Mediterranean countries (been to Italy several times and can understand why; they could fuck up a wet dream) seem to be doing fine and have plenty of business and high wages. Except for my time in the Navy I'm not a world traveler but I have seen what happens in this country during recessions and I have seen what gets us out of recessions and that has been tax reductions not tax increases. Even democrat John Kennedy saw this in the 60's when he cut taxes to get out of a recession. Reagan did the same in the 80's after the disastrous Jimmy Carter presidency. Lower taxes and less govt regulations has always been the formula that works to spur on our economy. The situation today though is worse than before because of a 21 trillion dollar growing national debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 9 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Bernie is my top choice and I don't want free shit. I don't need free shit. I own a home and have a great job. Work and skill got me here, as well as fortune circumstances outside of my control. So to clarify you don't want free shit for yourself or you don't want free shit at all? That was a question not an accusation. So just for our purposes I'm using the term free shit as social programs or giveaways (Medicare for all extend Public School 4 more years forgiveness of student debt large increase of minimum wage Etc, ) I'm interested to know what other ideas and or policies Senator Sanders proposes that have captured your imagination. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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