Your Opinion On Student Loan Forgiveness

[VaporTrail]

2 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Boomers got homes cheap?  In the 70's and 80's a interest on a home loan was in the teens.  You had to make a lot of money to afford a home then.  Education costs were on par with now when you take in disposable income.  Sorry.

Do you have any data to back up that assertion? Cuz this data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics says otherwise. 

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

Look up the housing interest rates. 

 

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1970s

Thanks to Freddie Mac, there’s solid data available for 30-year fixed-rate mortgage rates beginning in 1971.

 

Rates in 1971 were in the mid-7% range, and they moved up steadily until they were at 9.19% in 1974. They briefly dipped down into the mid- to high-8% range before climbing to 11.20% in 1979. This was during a period of high inflation that hit its peak early in the next decade.

1980s

In both the 1970s and 1980s, the United States was pushed into a recession caused by an oil embargo against the country. The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) instituted the embargo. One of the effects of this was hyperinflation, which meant that the price of goods and services rose extremely fast.

 

To counteract hyperinflation, the Federal Reserve raised short-term interest rates. This made money in savings accounts worth more. On the other hand, all interest rates rose, so the cost of borrowing money increased, too.

 

Interest rates reached their highest point in modern history in 1981 when the annual average was 16.63%, according to the Freddie Mac data. Fixed rates declined from there, but they finished the decade around 10%. The 1980s were an expensive time to borrow money.

1990s

In the 1990s, inflation started to calm down a little bit. The average mortgage rate in 1990 was 10.13%, but it slowly fell, finally dipping below 7% to come in at 6.94% in 1998.

 

According to a paper published by the Economic Policy Institute, one big reason for the economic growth and declining inflation seen later in the decade was the arrival of the internet in the mainstream consciousness. The increased investment in research and development of new technologies spurred a ton of economic growth.

2000s

Mortgage rates steadily declined from 8.05% in 2000 to the high-5% range in 2003. However, it wasn’t all milk and honey in this decade.

 

The housing crash happened in part because property values declined steeply until they hit their lowest point in 2008. This left many homeowners owing more on their homes than the property was worth. To provide some relief and to stimulate the economy, the Federal Reserve cut interest rates to make borrowing money cheaper.

 

Short-term rates, or the rates at which financial institutions borrow money, ended up being slashed to the point where they were at or near 0. This made it extremely cheap for banks to borrow funds so they could keep mortgage rates low.

 

As a result of this change, mortgage rates fell almost a full percentage point, averaging 5.04% in 2009.

2010s

Riding the wave of low bank borrowing costs, mortgage rates entered the new decade around 4.69%. They continued to fall steadily and were in the mid-3% range by 2012. In 2013, rates went up to 3.98%. A big reason for this was that the bond market panicked a little bit when the Federal Reserve said it would stop buying as many bonds.

 

When there are fewer buyers available, the yields on mortgage bonds have to go up to attract purchasers. This also causes mortgage rates to rise. Rates went up to 4.17% in 2014. In 2015, mortgage rates fell back to 3.85% as the market calmed down.

 

Although they were a little higher to end the year, rates in 2016 averaged 3.65%. With global turmoil, investors flocked to the safety of the U.S. bond market to guarantee the steadiness of their investments.

 

Rates began to rise after the 2016 presidential election. They reached their peak at the end of 2018/start of 2019. Rates on a 30-year fixed rate mortgage (FRM) ran between 3.95% on the low end and 5.34% on the high.

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2020-2021

Rates declined throughout 2019. When January 2020 came around, the average rate for a 30-year fixed was about 3.7%.

 

Then COVID-19 hit the United States. In response, the Federal Reserve dropped the federal funds rate to between 0 – 0.25%. This caused other short-term and long-term rates to drop.

 

This move was made to encourage borrowing on home loans, as well as other loans. It also led to a large increase in refinance and mortgage applications. By December, Freddie Mac reported an average mortgage rate for a 30-year FRM sitting at 2.68%.

 

Mortgage rates then hovered within the same range for the first half of 2021. The June rate increased slightly to 2.98%. Since then, rates have started to edge upward. As of October 21, Freddie Mac reported an average mortgage rate for 30-year FRM of 3.09%. Mortgage rate forecasts predict a continued increase by year’s end, which some attribute to inflation driven by temporary supply-chain issues. That could make 2021 – 2022 a good time to consider refinancing.

 

[VaporTrail]

I did not know interest rates ran that high for housing way back when. I'd like to see if the end cost of a home is comparable after being adjusted for inflation. For the current rates, they're back up to 5%. I locked in at 3.2 before it got crazy, but the house would have sold for 75% what I paid if I had the opportunity to buy it pre-pandemic.

[Westside Steve]

1 hour ago, VaporTrail said:

I did not know interest rates ran that high for housing way back when. I'd like to see if the end cost of a home is comparable after being adjusted for inflation. For the current rates, they're back up to 5%. I locked in at 3.2 before it got crazy, but the house would have sold for 75% what I paid if I had the opportunity to buy it pre-pandemic.

"Historical Mortgage Rates: Averages and Trends from the 1970s to 2019 - ValuePenguin" https://www.valuepenguin.com/mortgages/historical-mortgage-rates

[D Bone]

I bought my 1st house in 1990 when I was just 23 years old. I paid $114,990 for it and my one and only approved loan option had a $101,000 lending limit to a 1st time home buyer and my interest rate was 12%. I had to come in with over $18K of cash to close and my payments were just over $1,200 per month - of '90s money.

Boy was my house cheap..... I was so very privileged.

[MLD Woody]

The house I bought 5 years ago was $250k And now the Zillow estimate is over $330k... Crazy

 

No idea house the housing market compares now vs back then, but I know for a fact college is much, much more expensive

[Westside Steve]

3 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

The house I bought 5 years ago was $250k And now the Zillow estimate is over $330k... Crazy

 

No idea house the housing market compares now vs back then, but I know for a fact college is much, much more expensive

My dad oh, may he rest in peace, told me years ago he remembers Grandpa wondering if he'd ever be able to make eight $22 a month house payment.

WSS

 

[Vambo]

7 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

The house I bought 5 years ago was $250k And now the Zillow estimate is over $330k... Crazy

 

No idea house the housing market compares now vs back then, but I know for a fact college is much, much more expensive

NO SUCH THING AS FREE LUNCH

Expert warns of severe economic impact if Biden cancels student debt

[Browns149]

I think if you take out student loans, as with any loan, you should have to pay them back.  
The interest rates on student loans should be very low though

But having buyers remorse, because you got a degree that costs $80,000. And  that degree, is in a field that you can’t get a job to pay it back, is your own stupid fault

 

[calfoxwc]

there seems to be a whole subculture of refusal to accept responsibility for one's actions - as in, no consequences because it is "not fair".

There is legislation now, not passed yet, that would allow abortions up to 7 days AFTER BIRTH. To them, a red line is just another line to eventually cross. It was 28 days, I heard, but they changed it to only 7 days.

Student loans - permissible mob crime in big democrat cities. open borders. dangerous criminals let in again and again and ....again...

getting degrees in nonsense "fields" that dont' yeild good jobs, or any job. drug traffic - they are release from facing consequences....

but it gets a lot of votes to the leftwing marxists who perpetuate it - and on and on the madness goes.

It won't end soon, and will get far worse before it ever does end.

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, Browns149 said:

I think if you take out student loans, as with any loan, you should have to pay them back.  
The interest rates on student loans should be very low though

But having buyers remorse, because you got a degree that costs $80,000. And  that degree, is in a field that you can’t get a job to pay it back, is your own stupid fault

 

Student loans are the symptom

Hyper inflated college costs are the disease

 

 

You provide some level of student loan forgiveness for those suffering now and then you reform college tuition.

Easy for people to say "just pay it off. Don't sign something you can't pay off. Blah blah blah". But going to college is basically required for most careers. Yes, people should consider trades, but you still need a lot of people going to college.

[calfoxwc]

they should still be responsible for their decisions. Go to school at home? in state? save money?

or, go to a party school on the beach in californica or Florida?

if gullible feeeeelllllings students choose smartly, they would not GO to those expensive schools....

those colleges would not charge so much to go to college. They would not throw money around like it was leaves in a forest.

So many students decide they want to go away to college- be on their "own".

ok, then they are responsible by themselves and their not smart decisions based on their feelings.

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, calfoxwc said:

they should still be responsible for their decisions. Go to school at home? in state? save money?

or, go to a party school on the beach in californica or Florida?

if gullible feeeeelllllings students choose smartly, they would not GO to those expensive schools....

those colleges would not charge so much to go to college. They would not throw money around like it was leaves in a forest.

So many students decide they want to go away to college- be on their "own".

ok, then they are responsible by themselves and their not smart decisions based on their feelings.

You're doing the same thing Steve's doing. You're creating a strawman. You're deciding, in your mind, what type of students go into student loan debt. Once you've made up that they're all irresponsible, go to party schools, whatever... Then you can justify your beliefs. 

You FEEL that these students must be like that. 

I'm not surprised, as you do this with most arguments on here. 

 

[Axe]

[Browns149]

3 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Student loans are the symptom

Hyper inflated college costs are the disease

 

 

You provide some level of student loan forgiveness for those suffering now and then you reform college tuition.

Easy for people to say "just pay it off. Don't sign something you can't pay off. Blah blah blah". But going to college is basically required for most careers. Yes, people should consider trades, but you still need a lot of people going to college.

There shouldn’t be loan forgiveness. If you can’t afford something,  DON’T BUY IT!!!!!

[MLD Woody]

18 minutes ago, Browns149 said:

There shouldn’t be loan forgiveness. If you can’t afford something,  DON’T BUY IT!!!!!

That "something" though is the key to having a future for most people. The next step in their lives. 

You cure the disease but fixing college costs

But you need to go back through and get some loan forgiveness to those suffering now, to not screw up their lives more. 

 

[MLD Woody]

38 minutes ago, Axe said:

Everyone pays taxes for things that don't directly affect them. They do it because it's better for our country as a whole. 

[Browns149]

7 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

That "something" though is the key to having a future for most people. The next step in their lives. 

You cure the disease but fixing college costs

But you need to go back through and get some loan forgiveness to those suffering now, to not screw up their lives more. 

 

They CHOSE to screw up their lives by taking on these bad loans they couldn’t afford, and never will afford 

I agree the cost of college is high and the loans are high interest. But if you CHOOSE  that path, KNOWING that, then that’s on you. 

You shouldn’t be able to benefit from your lack of ability to understand simple economics after the fact 

[calfoxwc]

1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:

You're doing the same thing Steve's doing. You're creating a strawman. You're deciding, in your mind, what type of students go into student loan debt. Once you've made up that they're all irresponsible, go to party schools, whatever... Then you can justify your beliefs. 

You FEEL that these students must be like that. 

I'm not surprised, as you do this with most arguments on here. 

 

no, I KNOW KIDS who have done this the past three years. You don't understand squat - you just posture your stupid anti crap, and project your weaknesses on the arguments of other posters who do know what they are talking about. We have friends right NOW whose daughter went to a party school - out of state - enormous loans, and she left after two years, came back to Ohio, and improved her grades bigtime, so I speak out of experience/observation/understanding. Not all kids do this, but too many do, woodpecker.

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

They should grant 'mortgage forgiveness' for anyone over 50.    Also 'Car loan forgiveness'.  

[hammertime]

25 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

They should grant 'mortgage forgiveness' for anyone over 50.    Also 'Car loan forgiveness'.  

Absolutely!  

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, Browns149 said:

They CHOSE to screw up their lives by taking on these bad loans they couldn’t afford, and never will afford 

I agree the cost of college is high and the loans are high interest. But if you CHOOSE  that path, KNOWING that, then that’s on you. 

You shouldn’t be able to benefit from your lack of ability to understand simple economics after the fact 

You're missing the necessity of it all. And the full cost involved

 

It's a generational thing I guess. Some of you are two far removed from the effects of all of this. Unfortunately, since senators and representatives work until they die, it might be a while until the issue is resolved. You can all tell us how you paid for college whole flipping burgers part time until that point....

 

We won't get anywhere here

[Axe]

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Everyone pays taxes for things that don't directly affect them. They do it because it's better for our country as a whole. 

You can't be this fucking stupid.

 

Wait!! 😖

[Browns149]

10 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

You're missing the necessity of it all. And the full cost involved

 

It's a generational thing I guess. Some of you are two far removed from the effects of all of this. Unfortunately, since senators and representatives work until they die, it might be a while until the issue is resolved. You can all tell us how you paid for college whole flipping burgers part time until that point....

 

We won't get anywhere here

You are correct on the point that it’s generational

Your generation wants everything for free, and ALL the generations before you, ACTUALLY paid for what they wanted 

[Westside Steve]

56 minutes ago, Browns149 said:

You are correct on the point that it’s generational

Your generation wants everything for free, and ALL the generations before you, ACTUALLY paid for what they wanted 

It's truly chasing the dragon. No matter what level of benefits are given to society they will eventually become expected and commonplace and people will naturally demand to go to the next level.

WSS

[Vambo]

12 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

You're missing the necessity of it all. And the full cost involved

 

It's a generational thing I guess. Some of you are two far removed from the effects of all of this. Unfortunately, since senators and representatives work until they die, it might be a while until the issue is resolved. You can all tell us how you paid for college whole flipping burgers part time until that point....

 

We won't get anywhere here

If the students don't have to pay their loans, who should pay them...they don't just disappear someone has to pay it.   And why should someone else pay their debts?

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, Browns149 said:

You are correct on the point that it’s generational

Your generation wants everything for free, and ALL the generations before you, ACTUALLY paid for what they wanted 

Mmhmm, got it. That is one way for you to strawman this and feel like you've won. Facts be damned. 

 

I'm in my generation. I want to see some student loan relief. I've paid off my loans and won't be directly affected by this at all. Please explain how I want "free shit"?

[hammertime]

Indenture these lazy twats who can’t make payments.  How about debtor’s prison.

Makes me sick the sheer cowardice and weakness being displayed by folks who are unwilling to get dirty in order to make a living.

A little fortitude and self control goes along way, helps build character too.  

[hammertime]

2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Mmhmm, got it. That is one way for you to strawman this and feel like you've won. Facts be damned. 

 

I'm in my generation. I want to see some student loan relief. I've paid off my loans and won't be directly affected by this at all. Please explain how I want "free shit"?

You are a moron.

[Westside Steve]

10 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Mmhmm, got it. That is one way for you to strawman this and feel like you've won. Facts be damned. 

 

I'm in my generation. I want to see some student loan relief. I've paid off my loans and won't be directly affected by this at all. Please explain how I want "free shit"?

That's pretty simple. Why would Nancy Pelosi Maxine Waters Chuck Schumer Joe Biden John Kerry and any other multi-millionaire Democrat want more free shit?

There are other similar issues but we will stick to that one. For now.

WSS