calfoxwc Posted August 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 I type fast, folks. I was rambling, lol, but my herb ice tea is almost empty so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 7 hours ago, FY56 said: To borrow from Reagan- "Liberals know so much that isn't so" Fast Facts that are good for you to know: The conservative movement as we know it didn't start until the 1930's It was liberalism in its day that supported slavery. John Locke known as the "father of liberalism" tried to rationalize its legitimacy. The Republican party was formed for the purpose of banning slavery. Although those against the Civil Rights act were Democrat conservatives, you should be aware of the fact the 14th Amendment was written by Republicans and The Civil Rights Act was passed thanks to Republicans. More Dems opposed it. As mentioned, Conservatism didn't exist in 1920. Male chauvinism at the time knew no boundaries or affiliations. Furthermore, it was the Republicans who championed the women's right to vote. Social Security proposed by Roosevelt himself was not a liberal/conservative thing as well. Initially opposed by Republicans but in the end gained overwhelming support. Granted Republicans have opposed Labor Unions, but again has nothing to do with "conservatism losing" simply because blue collar workers are largely conservative. My old man voted Dem and was pro union and a conservative. To suggest conservatives were against the 5-day work week is absurd. Gay marriage who cares. You win. Good for you. Also, you may have been taught that the white man invented slavery. They did not. No doubt the Dems back in the day proposed some great things. The GI Bill for example. But yesterday's Democrat is todays Demonrat, and certainly not a JFK Democrat who spoke like a conservative and would be ripped to shreds by you guys. "The conservative movement as we know it didn't start until the 1930's". No shit. The religion right nuts job movement didn't start until 1970's. Lincoln was not a conservative. Stop trying to take credit for a progressive's accomplishments Conservative have always been against change. That is the very definition of being a conservative. :averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values. Progressive usually win in the long run. You are a conservative just like those civil war democrats were conservatives. But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. - Lincoln's Cooper Union Address New York, New York February 27, 1860 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 What side was Abraham Lincoln a Republican or Democrat? Lincoln, a moderate Republican, had to navigate a contentious array of factions with friends and opponents from both the Democratic and Republican parties. His allies, the War Democrats and the Radical Republicans, demanded harsh treatment of the Southern Confederates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, cccjwh said: "The conservative movement as we know it didn't start until the 1930's". No shit. The religion right nuts job movement didn't start until 1970's. Lincoln was not a conservative. Stop trying to take credit for a progressive's accomplishments Conservative have always been against change. That is the very definition of being a conservative. :averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values. Progressive usually win in the long run. You are a conservative just like those civil war democrats were conservatives. But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. - Lincoln's Cooper Union Address New York, New York February 27, 1860 And to further piss on your parade, more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act than Democrats. Henry Ford started the 5 day 40 hour work week. Those are just off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said: And to further piss on your parade, more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act than Democrats. Henry Ford started the 5 day 40 hour work week. Those are just off the top of my head. So more progressive voted for the Civil Rights Act than conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, cccjwh said: So more progressive voted for the Civil Rights Act than conservatives. https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/17/fact-check-more-republicans-voted-for-the-civil-rights-act-as-a-percentage-than-democrats-did/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said: https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/17/fact-check-more-republicans-voted-for-the-civil-rights-act-as-a-percentage-than-democrats-did/ Southern Dems? Interesting distinction. Nothing to look into I'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 I'm sure conservatives supported civil rights, a women's right to vote, etc. Because that's definitely the definition of a conservative... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Southern Dems? Interesting distinction. Nothing to look into I'm sure Oh yea. All them southern hicks are racists, right woody?🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Southern Dems? Interesting distinction. Nothing to look into I'm sure Go ahead and look….and read. Here’s a little gem from DEMOCRATIC President LBJ (a southern Dem). https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism-msna305591 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 “We do not have to destroy America with missiles; America will destroy itself from within."-Nikita Khrushchev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said: “We do not have to destroy America with missiles; America will destroy itself from within."-Nikita Khrushchev sadly, that is where we seem to be at today. dangerous times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 hours ago, calfoxwc said: sadly, that is where we seem to be at today. dangerous times. We’re still the greatest nation in the world. we just can’t let a minority dictate to the majority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FY56 Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 8 hours ago, MLD Woody said: I'm sure conservatives supported civil rights, a women's right to vote, etc. Because that's definitely the definition of a conservative... Women getting the right to vote happened in 1920. Anyone with a set of balls between their legs were opposed to it. Conservatism played no role back then. Conservatives did support Civil Rights, and yes many did not. While neither Democrats nor Republicans, liberals nor conservatives, enjoy a completely spotless record on civil rights, conservatives within the Republican Party served historically as defenders of equal opportunity and civil rights. House Republicans such as conservative Hamilton Fish (R-NY) supported federal anti-lynching legislation in 1922, 1937, and 1940, only to have these bills defeated in the Senate by Southern Democrats. In 1934, Oscar De Priest (R-IL), the first black congressman elected in the 20th century and a staunch anti-New Deal conservative, unsuccessfully tried to integrate the House restaurant. In 1947, the Republican-controlled Senate, headed by Robert Taft, refused to seat notorious racist Theodore Bilbo (D-MS) because of intimidation of black voters in the 1946 election. Conservatism need not be defined by it's support of civil rights. It is implied. That all men are created equal. Conservatives believe in the ability of mankind to build a society that respects rights, defends those rights and is also strong enough to repel the forces that would threaten it. The 14 amendment was written by Conservatives. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 I'm not sure why you guys have such a hard time with this. Conservative has not always equaled Republican. Conservatives fight change, they want the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 7 hours ago, cccjwh said: I'm not sure why you guys have such a hard time with this. Conservative has not always equaled Republican. Conservatives fight change, they want the status quo. Keep moving those goal posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Canton Dawg said: Keep moving those goal posts. Seems like you don't understand what the phrase means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 Look at these liberals protesting! How awful! And even more liberals here! Because if there's anything we do know, it's that the group calling everything they don't like Communism are definitely liberals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 just because you are an ardent ignorant smart ass, woodpecker, it doesn't mean you ever make any kind of legitimate point. But be proud, be loud, be the bird you need to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Seems like you don't understand what the phrase means More whataboutism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said: More whataboutism You really have problems with understanding words. Because I don't think you understand what that means either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, cccjwh said: You really have problems with understanding words. Because I don't think you understand what that means either. Well tell us what it means then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/14/2022 at 9:53 AM, cccjwh said: So more progressive voted for the Civil Rights Act than conservatives. I don't think you thought this out very well. The status quo was roe vs wade not that long ago, but according to your logic you have to own the "change" in policy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 43 minutes ago, cccjwh said: You really have problems with understanding words. Because I don't think you understand what that means either. When you lose the argument…change the words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, htownbrown said: I don't think you thought this out very well. The status quo was roe vs wade not that long ago, but according to your logic you have to own the "change" in policy? Well conservatives do love to go backwards. There's another win for you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, cccjwh said: Well conservatives do love to go backwards. There's another win for you guys. Considering the advancements in pregnancy prevention, it could be considered progressive under your definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, htownbrown said: Considering the advancements in pregnancy prevention, it could be considered progressive under your definition. You think taking people's rights away is progressive? You really are a conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, cccjwh said: You think taking people's rights away is progressive? You really are a conservative. I'm simply following your logic. So supporting the 2nd amendment is progressive/liberal? You're all over the place today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, htownbrown said: I'm simply following your logic. So supporting the 2nd amendment is progressive/liberal? You're all over the place today. Right because all of the progressive want to take your guns!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, cccjwh said: Right because all of the progressive want to take your guns!!! That's not what I said, your just trying to find a tributary out of your own logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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