Of life, refs, and reality

[Ghoolie Always Ghoolie]

*Of life - We were all raised to not complain or blame, or make excuses. "Win when things are against you.

*Of refs - We have heard it a million times; sometimes you get the calls, some time you don't

Of reality - Can anyone cite me a game in the past 20 years where the post game talk around the nation was "boy, the Browns benefitted from the calls today?

There is something criminally wrong with the NFL. I have never once posted about refs, but this today is beyond words.

[syd]

smoke pot smoke pot everyone smoke pot

thats all i got

[syd]

33 minutes ago, Ghoolie Always Ghoolie said:

*Of life - We were all raised to not complain or blame, or make excuses. "Win when things are against you.

*Of refs - We have heard it a million times; sometimes you get the calls, some time you don't

Of reality - Can anyone cite me a game in the past 20 years where the post game talk around the nation was "boy, the Browns benefitted from the calls today?

There is something criminally wrong with the NFL. I have never once posted about refs, but this today is beyond words.

life : i would say most of us not all but the yougens feel life should be handed to them not earned 

refs: should be a fulltime job not a hobby and should be fined for bad play call

reality: what's that ?

[darkside5]

Just when you think the Browns are out of ways to lose. We surely don't need any help from the refs. What's it going to take to finally exhaust every way known to man to lose so the worm will turn. I think we need a wayward pigeon to deflect a potential game winning field goal . Maybe that will do it

[nickers]

I told everybody at the start of the season... Expect more fabricated , bullshit calls against the Browns...  The league is going to make us pay out the ass more ways than one for signing Watson to such a lucrative contract...

[TypicalBrowns50]

NFL isn’t a real sport. I’m glad people are finally realizing it’s rigged

[nickers]

1 minute ago, TypicalBrowns50 said:

NFL isn’t a real sport. I’m glad people are finally realizing it’s rigged

The NFL is turning into the WWF... Expect more BS like this

 

[Dutch Oven]

Ooh, the "THE NFL IS RIGGED!" posts are over here!

Made by people who, without one doubt, will continue to watch the "rigged" NFL for years upon years. 

[SdBacker80]

The expansion of roughing the passer and taunting calls gives the NFL (if they want to) the ability to control outcomes.  And Offensive/Defensive holding is not uniformly called but this has always been an issue. 

We are not the only disadvantaged franchise.  I thought the NFL did everything they could to make the Jags/Giants game come down to one yard at the end.  I saw one of the worst holding calls in the Seahawks/Chargers game this evening (against the Hawks).  

The Chargers were notorious for being on the end of some bad reffing when they were in SD and now that they have moved to LA….things seem better 

[mjp28]

57 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

Ooh, the "THE NFL IS RIGGED!" posts are over here!

Made by people who, without one doubt, will continue to watch the "rigged" NFL for years upon years. 

The NFL is probably  no IS the most filmed,  watched, scrutinized,  analyzed, reanalyzed professional sport out there.  Not one play or call is missed being analyzed by the dozens of Monday morning quarterback shows out there.  

Do you hear any big national news or other outlet talking about   "those Cleveland BROWNS sure were screwed by the referees for the  __ th time this season "?   Of course not because there are no big organized screw the BROWNS referee groups out there.  Do the Browns get missed calls against them, of course.  I imagine other fans of other teams say the same things.  

But is sure makes good FORUM chit-chat,  especially after a or yet another loss.   

Just thinking how many bad calls go against our opponents  ?  Hmmmmm..

......edit add,  NFL RIGGED....now that really sounds like political chit-chat.   😄

 

[jcam222]

7 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

The NFL is probably  no IS the most filmed,  watched, scrutinized,  analyzed, reanalyzed professional sport out there.  Not one play or call is analyzed by the dozens of Monday morning quarterback shows out there.  

Do you hear any big national news or other outlet talking about   "those Cleveland BROWNS sure were screwed by the referees for the  __ th time this season "?   Of course not because there are no big organized screw the BROWNS referee groups out there.  Do the Browns get missed calls against them, of course.  I imagine other fans of other teams say the same things.  

But is sure makes good FORUM chit-chat,  especially after a or yet another loss.   

Just thinking how many bad calls go against our opponents  ?  Hmmmmm..

......edit add,  NFL RIGGED....now that really sounds like political chit-chat.   😄

 

I don’t think there is a formal screw the Browns plot, that said I do believe there are refs on the take that protect lines by nudging scores. Sometimes discreetly and other times by just fabricating shit like they did today. I suppose it’s also possible  they are all just horrible at their jobs and don’t know the rules. All plays should be able to be challenged. 

[mjp28]

37 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

The expansion of roughing the passer and taunting calls gives the NFL (if they want to) the ability to control outcomes.  And Offensive/Defensive holding is not uniformly called but this has always been an issue. 

We are lot the only disadvantaged franchise.  I thought the NFL did everything they could to make the Jags/Giants game come down to one yard at the end.  I saw one of the worst holding calls in the Seahawks/Chargers game this evening (against the Hawks).  

The Chargers were notorious for being on the end of some bad reffing when they were in SD and now that they have moved to LA….things seem better 

GOOD POINTS SD !  I hope everyone sees and reads it.

And how are things out in sunny SD ?  I was really hoping for a  CLE vs SD  World Series matchup....ooh so close took the Yank$ to Game 5.   A LOT  of Yankee fans were sweating that one out too.  Maybe someday....soon ?

[SdBacker80]

10 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

GOOD POINTS SD !  I hope everyone sees and reads it.

And how are things out in sunny SD ?  I was really hoping for a  CLE vs SD  World Series matchup....ooh so close took the Yank$ to Game 5.   A LOT  of Yankee fans were sweating that one out too.  Maybe someday....soon ?

Yes so was I.  I was hoping to catch a game.   It is going well here.  Padres mania was alive and well.  The Padres are now the only show in town and beating the Dodgers gave the city a massive lift.  The Dodgers were their daddy until this October.  There was some much needed partying in the Gaslamp after that series.  The Pads need starting pitching and we need a power bat I think we should do a few more deals with the padres. 

Oh about the Yankees…
 My wife is a huge Yankee fan.  We are both glad the series is over lol lots of subdued celebrations.   We “took too much out of them” her quote tonight  and I heard “who are these guys” during our series.  we are going to be back so will they hopefully we right the ship. 

What a year though…our team was fun to watch and great to get behind and root for- you can’t have it all I guess maybe the Browns can bottle some of their mojo. 

[Orion]

3 hours ago, Ghoolie Always Ghoolie said:

Of reality - Can anyone cite me a game in the past 20 years where the post game talk around the nation was "boy, the Browns benefitted from the calls today?

It's because you don't commit them to memory like you do that bad calls.  That's all there is to it.  We've benefitted from bad ref calls this year.

Even if the refs made the encroachment call, we could've blown it from there.  And we blew it when we spent half the game not scoring any points. 

[gumby73]

17 minutes ago, Orion said:

Even if the refs made the encroachment call, we could've blown it from there.   

4th & 5* at BAL 37 *

(2:09 - 4th) (Field Goal formation) PENALTY on CLV-M.Dunn, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BLT 37 - No Play. 

 1st & 10 at Bal 32...

We could have all dealt with taking that chance..

[TypicalBrowns50]

2 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Ooh, the "THE NFL IS RIGGED!" posts are over here!

Made by people who, without one doubt, will continue to watch the "rigged" NFL for years upon years. 

You don’t know who watches and who doesn’t. Plenty of folks I know have blacklisted the NFL. My time is coming. You also don’t comment if you think it’s rigged or not. It certainly is. There plenty of proof. Including jalen Ramsey tweeting that they were told to give up a playoff game, and then he took it down.

[Orion]

1 hour ago, gumby73 said:

4th & 5* at BAL 37 *

(2:09 - 4th) (Field Goal formation) PENALTY on CLV-M.Dunn, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BLT 37 - No Play. 

 1st & 10 at Bal 32...

We could have all dealt with taking that chance..

One holding call and we're back at the 42.  Or Brissett tries throwing on the run and has it picked.  Or.....etc.

[Ghoolie Always Ghoolie]

3 hours ago, Orion said:

It's because you don't commit them to memory like you do that bad calls.  That's all there is to it.  We've benefitted from bad ref calls this year.

Even if the refs made the encroachment call, we could've blown it from there.  And we blew it when we spent half the game not scoring any points. 

Nah, we are still comparing apples and oranges. I am not arguing against the statement that the Browns have benefitted from calls.

I  asking  about the game changing, end of the game calls that have literally stolen the game and given it to the Browns.

My compartmentalization is not that opaque, not is my memory that short.

I would love to hear of these examples.

Again, KC DB head spears our WR going in for a TD. The refs don't flag it, KC gets the ball Andover on to the AFC championship game, which the Browns earned the right.

I really am open to hearing where the Browns got that level favoritism.

[Ghoolie Always Ghoolie]

My intent was not to instigate the "NFL" is rigged debate, but rather hear some other view points about how this kind of shit can continually happen to the Browns.

Refs blow calls all the time, and we can certainly expand a conversation into "is the NFL rigged?"

Honestly, how does one "rig" an event that has 32 owners, all with vested interest?

I think it is time for the NFL fix the officiating. The technology is there. How this shit can be allowed to stand says a lot worse things than the league is rigged.

[Neo]

If anybody is questioning whether or not sports can be rigged just remember game 7 of the 2016 World Series was delayed for light rain and the Cubs came back and won. If anyone watched the Padres vs. Philles game tonight you would have seen they played in a downpour for a good portion of the game. Just some food for thought............

[Westside Steve]

9 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Ooh, the "THE NFL IS RIGGED!" posts are over here!

Made by people who, without one doubt, will continue to watch the "rigged" NFL for years upon years. 

Too lazy to look it up but I don't doubt that the revenue from the worldwide Wrestling Federation is in the billions, or at least a lot of Millions.

Do you think CASINO was entirely fashioned out of whole cloth?

WSS

[Flugel]

8 hours ago, Orion said:

It's because you don't commit them to memory like you do that bad calls.  That's all there is to it.  We've benefitted from bad ref calls this year.

Even if the refs made the encroachment call, we could've blown it from there.  And we blew it when we spent half the game not scoring any points. 

All true.  They said it was 4th and 5 (but I think it was closer to 4th and 6).  An encroachment call would have given the Browns either a 1st down or chance to go for it on 4th down.  The Browns 1st scoring drive of the day looked easy.  Baltimore adjusted.  As much as I like Kareem Hunt, I wish they would keep Chubb out there when he's got the hot hand like he had early.  It looks like they have a scripted game plan that they prefer to stick to in terms of what RB plays each time we get the ball.  I could be wrong about that.  It just seems like the Browns get off to a lead - then Chubb disappears for a while.  

We start a lot of games strong and then it seems like we refuse the advantage we had to in order to diversify the attack (ie; promoting the short pass with Hunt but Baltimore blitzed that personnel grouping with great success).  That's when we get into trouble because we're doing this with a back-up QB who reads his progressions way too slowly and often doesn't see open guys.  While I understand you have to keep defenses honest - you also have to be honest with can your QB be effective consistently with what you're asking him to do?   Our record that was once 2-2 is starting to remind us why he's only a back-up you want to use very short term (ie: 3-4 weeks at the most).  

I'm at the point where it would be nice to see Dobbs when it appears obvious Brissett isn't up to the handling the challenge/game plan.  With this schedule, you can't put a guy out there that can't see/feel the pressure as well as not seeing open receivers.  He's very slow at processing and Baltimore took advantage of that in their game plans.  They brought the blitz, and he couldn't even complete the short swing pass left to Hunt 1 time.  When we get away from using Chubb (our strength) - our backup QB looks like a deer in bright orange colors during hunting season...  In other words, this passing game will expire in a few minutes.

 

[Orion]

This is a thread of conspiracy theorists of the election was stolen sort.

[jrb12711]

1 hour ago, Orion said:

This is a thread of conspiracy theorists of the election was stolen sort.

Nah, I don't think so. I never thought in a million years I'd agree with this man, but it's just factual. To be sure, I don't think the NFL is outright rigged and that Goddell is giving blood money to refs while the owners watch. But (and I typed a whole thing in the other thread) I absolutely believe there's an unspoken understanding that more marketable teams get close calls, and less marketable teams don't. The reason crooks like Haslam don't care is because of revenue sharing-win or lose the NFL brand making more money makes them more money. 

As the NFL continues to grow globally there's 0% chance the NFL wants the Cleveland Browns to be 'good' enough to warrant them being prime time. The only option the Browns had to change that narrative was to get a super marketable guy (like Joe Burrow) behind center and that could not be farther from the reality for the next 5-6 years. So I ABSOLUTELY believe this can be true. Jacoby gets hits a little late in the head and neck area and the flag gets picked up-why? And the false start is something in decades of watching this sport I've never, ever heard or seen. There's a reason for that.

[hoorta]

9 hours ago, Ghoolie Always Ghoolie said:

My intent was not to instigate the "NFL" is rigged debate, but rather hear some other view points about how this kind of shit can continually happen to the Browns.

Refs blow calls all the time, and we can certainly expand a conversation into "is the NFL rigged?"

Honestly, how does one "rig" an event that has 32 owners, all with vested interest?

I think it is time for the NFL fix the officiating. The technology is there. How this shit can be allowed to stand says a lot worse things than the league is rigged.

IIRC, the NFL is the only professional sports league that doesn't have paid full time officials. With their multi-billion dollar revenue streams, they can certainly afford to do so. You have guys whose day jobs are accountants and  lawyers reffing NFL games as a sideline. 

[Ghoolie Always Ghoolie]

2 hours ago, hoorta said:

IIRC, the NFL is the only professional sports league that doesn't have paid full time officials. With their multi-billion dollar revenue streams, they can certainly afford to do so. You have guys whose day jobs are accountants and  lawyers reffing NFL games as a sideline. 

 Larry, I do not think think that The officials being part time is the problem.

The bigger problem is these positions are all are all appointed, and surely we know that favoritism from owners, investors, and other inside influencers plays a key role in how these officials are chosen.

As such, refs can be persuaded to favor the individual who put them into those positions.

Add to this, owners, players and even refs bet. However, they are resigned to betting in hidden places unseen to the casual observer.

When these "bookies" call to collect, the interest is life changing and ones family quickly can be brought into the picture if the debt isn't squared.

People love the Sopranos and Godfather but fail to connect that these things are based in reality.

20 years being married to and immersed in that shit assure me that it isn't the NFL that is corrupt but rather the NFL is subject to human activity.

  Over and over we see plays and calls on the field that even morons like us know are wrong, yet they are allowed to pass.

Why Larry? Do you really think that with all the cameras , announcers, and NY replay team, they are too stupid to see this?

Larry, when the Don makes you an offer you can't refuse, you don't. Regardless of your job title.

There is no fix for this. 

 

[calfoxwc]

I believe it was the Pittsburg game - the squealers' Pickett threw a second int, with about

25 secs left, near the end zone, but Noah Igbinoghene made a great play on the steeler TE, and intercepted.

He very, very CLEARLY got both feet in.

The ref was right there, and ruled it incomplete.

That was impossible - and under two minutes, I guess NY reviewed it and said it was complete, probably in record time.

How in the hell can a "referee" look right at that, and say it was incomplete???????

too much of that in the NFL -

 it's getting to be like watching Michael Jordan take four steps to the basket without dribbling, and never

getting called for traveling once back in the day.

   The big markets make big money for the sports.

Like the Yankees spending all they want with n cap? big, giant market.

[mjp28]

12 hours ago, Ghoolie Always Ghoolie said:

My intent was not to instigate the "NFL" is rigged debate, but rather hear some other view points about how this kind of shit can continually happen to the Browns.

Refs blow calls all the time, and we can certainly expand a conversation into "is the NFL rigged?"

Honestly, how does one "rig" an event that has 32 owners, all with vested interest?

I think it is time for the NFL fix the officiating. The technology is there. How this shit can be allowed to stand says a lot worse things than the league is rigged.

"RIGGED"  by whom for whom who all is in on this dastardly caper ? Maybe  1% or 0.1% of the referees ?  The clock management guys ?  

Who's in charge of all of this bigger than life farce Roger "da' boss" Goodell ?

 Sounds like the premise of a really funny (or bad) movie script.  And hopefully it will just blow over like every other  hot air story and just go away.....until some other team has a four game losing streak.   

Maybe it can just re-emerge on the poli board with other hot air  "RIGGED"   stories.   Now back to some sports stories how about the upcoming  MNF CIN at CLE   10/31 ~ HALLOWEEN  ~ GAME.   Now that sounds good !

 

[Orion]

9 hours ago, jrb12711 said:

As the NFL continues to grow globally there's 0% chance the NFL wants the Cleveland Browns to be 'good' enough to warrant them being prime time.

And why on earth would that be?  Is the Foxborough Patriots their idea of 'prime time'?  The no-mans-land of Green Bay?  The roiling hot Arizona?  Why would they care which run of the mill town had a talented, entertaining and winning football team?  We have a rich tradition.  We have intense fans who'd fill the stands and be loud.  

[Ghoolie Always Ghoolie]

8 minutes ago, Orion said:

And why on earth would that be?  Is the Foxborough Patriots their idea of 'prime time'?  The no-mans-land of Green Bay?  The roiling hot Arizona?  Why would they care which run of the mill town had a talented, entertaining and winning football team?  We have a rich tradition.  We have intense fans who'd fill the stands and be loud.  

I think they feel the Cleveland Market is to small. (Pittsburgh?)

Fuck anyone who doesn't bow down to our culture.