Orion Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 11 hours ago, 7moses7 said: It’s Monday morning, is he still here ? On the radio today Stef said that he let him go last night. I guess we'll be finding out who Depodesta wants for DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 I could definitely see a scenario where the Browns sign Brian Flores as DC, he becomes the HC when Stefanski gets canned, and Depodesta and Berry hire their hand-picked pass-happy OC. When Flores was HC in Miami, apparently they tried to get Watson. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 8 hours ago, nickers said: He's garbage... incorrect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 41 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I could definitely see a scenario where the Browns sign Brian Flores as DC, he becomes the HC when Stefanski gets canned, and Depodesta and Berry hire their hand-picked pass-happy OC. When Flores was HC in Miami, apparently they tried to get Watson. We've seen this play out before. One year the DC gets it. The next year it's the HC. But I'm hoping against it as I kinda' like Stef and I'm sick of starting over all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Joe Woods shold have been fired long ago. How do you have multiple blown coverages in one season that result in touchdowns? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Neo said: Joe Woods shold have been fired long ago. How do you have multiple blown coverages in one season that result in touchdowns? No it was the secondary years ago…the LBs the second year…the IDL this past year. Nevermind he had 7 of the 8 top picks the past three years invested in defensive players. We apparently didn’t give him enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: No it was the secondary years ago…the LBs the second year…the IDL this past year. Nevermind he had 7 of the 8 top picks the past three years invested in defensive players. We apparently didn’t give him enough. Joe Woods was not a good Defensive Coordinator. But if the Browns trot out the caliber of DLine again next year, good luck to whoever lands the gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Orion said: We've seen this play out before. One year the DC gets it. The next year it's the HC. But I'm hoping against it as I kinda' like Stef and I'm sick of starting over all the time. I like Kevin Stefanski. I just don't believe in him as a head coach anymore. I hope I'm wrong, and the Browns put up a season again like they did in his first season. And I won't pretend to say I know how the Dolphins performed on a game-to-game basis under Flores, but I do know that the Dolphins were absolutely set up to tank with him there, and he had that team playing their asses off and damn near finished .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 they fired woods ? no fucking way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Browns defensive players want a simplified approach in next defensive coordinator https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2023/01/browns-defensive-players-emphasize-shortening-the-menu-in-wake-of-joe-woods-firing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 9 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: This Mayfield love is making me sick. Let the Baker Bros have their fun. Most of them won't be around once Mayfield hits 30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Don't sleep on Jim Schwartz. I was a big fan of his designs when he was in Philly and he might be one of the most creative NFL coaches in generating pressures with only a 4 man rush. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Don't sleep on Jim Schwartz. I was a big fan of his designs when he was in Philly and he might be one of the most creative NFL coaches in generating pressures with only a 4 man rush. If the Browns could find three other players besides Myles that can generate a pass rush, sign me up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, tiamat63 said: Don't sleep on Jim Schwartz. I was a big fan of his designs when he was in Philly and he might be one of the most creative NFL coaches in generating pressures with only a 4 man rush. I'd say Jim does fits this FO.. hope he's interviewed https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/01/browns-request-dc-interviews-with-brian-flores-jim-schwartz-jerod-mayo-sean-desai#comments 2 years & a quality defensive coaching *staff hired .. advantage Schwartz from espn.. While DC at Philly Analytics are being deployed on the defensive side of the ball as well. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz might come off as an old-school football guy, but he studied econometrics -- the application of statistical and mathematical techniques in solving problems -- at Georgetown, and is known to be very much data-driven in his approach to the job. He passes his statistical findings on to his players, and demands they be able to recall it at a moment's notice. At Titans.. https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/news/tennessee-titans-nfl-jim-schwartz-analytics-history 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, gumby73 said: I'd say Jim does fits this FO.. hope he's interviewed from espn.. While DC at Philly Analytics are being deployed on the defensive side of the ball as well. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz might come off as an old-school football guy, but he studied econometrics -- the application of statistical and mathematical techniques in solving problems -- at Georgetown, and is known to be very much data-driven in his approach to the job. He passes his statistical findings on to his players, and demands they be able to recall it at a moment's notice. At Titans.. https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/news/tennessee-titans-nfl-jim-schwartz-analytics-history There's that, but his defensive structures also play into recent NFL trends that have shown teams reducing their blitz rates. Not just against certain offenses, but league wide in general. So his penchant for rush creativity tends to fit hand in hand with that data. Like Gregg Williams though, Schwartz is a big believer in man coverage IIRC and was at times, just like Williams, almost far too rigid in his calls for downs/distances. So It'll be fun if he's hired, checking back on this board this time next year seeing the same posters bitch about his style of coaching vis a vis Woods'. Almost sort of hoping that happens. Either way, any new DC will place renewed emphasis on the DL. That's the main take away from this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Westside Steve said: https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/cleveland-browns-fire-defensive-coordinator-joe-woods-report-tom-pelissero-nfl-network/95-0bfe381c-ec43-464f-a25f-2bbf3e39ae64 He is. Kevin Stefansky moves to the head of the scapegoat line WSS However, IMO he's going to at least get the majority of next season to try and prove the Browns brain trust (oxymoron?) didn't make a huge mistake bringing Watson on board. It's playoffs or bust Kev, fail- and you're going to be looking for employment elsewhere, just like Joe. Sure, you can never tell ahead of time which teams are going to rise from the ashes, BUT... losing to the Steelers got the Browns a 2023 last place schedule, playing the likes of the Bears, Cardinals, Rams, Broncos, and Colts. (I may put the Denver game on my road trip schedule, and Indy is a 100 mile shorter drive for me than Cleveland) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 58 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Browns defensive players want a simplified approach in next defensive coordinator I heard that on the radio today. It's a fine line, right? You want the DC (any coordinator) to be creative, but too creative and you'll have guys blowing assignments. You don't want your coverage people constantly trying to think about what they should be doing. It's got to be simple enough so they know their deal and they just react to the play as it unfolds. They're on your team because of their ability to do those things, not to be solving geometry quizzes out there. We have an OC as HC. Our DC will in fact be the HC of the D. I'd like a DC that can tailor his defensive style/system to the players that he has. Not someone showing up with a piece of wood with a bunch of square holes in it. Like, say, a guy likes to be aggressive with blitzes. That's fine, but you better have guys that can actually get to the QB. Going back a few years I remember ballpeen's line, 'Us blitzing is like taking 1 or 2 of our guys and running them off the field'. Quite funny, but the reality was our blitzers would just be consumed by the opponent's OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Joe Woods was not a good Defensive Coordinator. But if the Browns trot out the caliber of DLine again next year, good luck to whoever lands the gig. I think the job overall is appealing. You have three CBs that can play pretty dang good man coverage: Ward, Newsome, Emerson. We hope the next guy doesn’t sit in zone coverage repeatedly on 3rd and long and pray that Myles gets to the QB. But You have a centerpiece at DE that teams need to account for every play and a playmaking backer that I hope the next guy can utilize better. If can convince John Johnson to play and live up to the contract and continue to develop Delpit or scheme him into something that plays into his strengths. You can certainly work with this group. We need a MIKE and an IDL. These are priority 1a and 1b. I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: We need a MIKE and an IDL. These are priority 2a and 2b. ahem. FIFY good luck with thinking 1a and 1b when the browns don't have a first round draft pick for three years. But, there is the second round.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: ahem. FIFY good luck with thinking 1a and 1b when the browns don't have a first round draft pick for three years. But, there is the second round.................... Our Front Office found players like Emerson and JOK in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Not an attractive landing spot for a DC to walk into. No LB’s, no DT’s, with just 1 pass rusher. There’s an over the hill SS that blows coverage on a consistent basis, along with the CB’s that are constantly injured. I mean…who wouldn’t want that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, SdBacker80 said: Our Front Office found players like Emerson and JOK in that area. Absolutely true. and Greedy Williams and Austin Corbett.... Schwartz in the third round, I think. and Wills - who I wonder if he was playing hurt a lot this season.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Canton Dawg said: Not an attractive landing spot for a DC to walk into. No LB’s, no DT’s, with just 1 pass rusher. There’s an over the hill SS that blows coverage on a consistent basis, along with the CB’s that are constantly injured. I mean…who wouldn’t want that? Eh, I’m not so sure about “no linebackers”. If they resign walker, youd have JOK, walker, and Deion jones who played above average in my opinion. While there’s for sure room to upgrade, the defensive line made the backer core look like more of a liability than it could be. You’re going to whiff more often when running backs don’t get touched till your level. it could be worse, but there’s plenty of talent to make this position attractive to come to Cleveland. Especially if there’s a nudge/ wink understanding that Stef’s job could be yours if he waffles again this year, which I’m totally fine with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Canton Dawg said: Not an attractive landing spot for a DC to walk into. No LB’s, no DT’s, with just 1 pass rusher. There’s an over the hill SS that blows coverage on a consistent basis, along with the CB’s that are constantly injured. I mean…who wouldn’t want that? I beg to differ. you have a future HOF DE- entering his prime years. The position and talent doesn’t grow on trees. I don’t think he’s much of leader but the talent and that chess piece is very attractive. And Take a look around the league and see if other teams have 3 DBs that you can put on an island. Ask Tom Brady what he thinks of our corners. What is maddening to me is there is really good football talk on here…but too many of you expect a perfect roster when salary cap and injuries and pursuit of a franchise QB can stand in the way. And I’m assuming we are adding talent at all three levels in the middle of our defense too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korsou Dawg Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Canton Dawg said: Not an attractive landing spot for a DC to walk into. No LB’s, no DT’s, with just 1 pass rusher. There’s an over the hill SS that blows coverage on a consistent basis, along with the CB’s that are constantly injured. I mean…who wouldn’t want that? 10 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: I beg to differ. you have a future HOF DE- entering his prime years. The position and talent doesn’t grow on trees. I don’t think he’s much of leader but the talent and that chess piece is very attractive. And Take a look around the league and see if other teams have 3 DBs that you can put on an island. Ask Tom Brady what he thinks of our corners. What is maddening to me is there is really good football talk on here…but too many of you expect a perfect roster when salary cap and injuries and pursuit of a franchise QB can stand in the way. And I’m assuming we are adding talent at all three levels in the middle of our defense too. Have to agree with @jrb12711 here. With Fields, JOK and Walker, LB is a decently manned position. Heck, even Takitaki was serviceable for depth while on his rookie contract. The problem is that these guys are injured more often than not. Something all too common for other position groups too, as was mentioned. On at DT Winfrey showed promise, as he got more minutes this season. Would like to see him get a chance as one of the building blocks. Adding a more experienced guy like Ogunjobi would be good, although I doubt we can get him at a rate that is cap-friendly enough. Would definitely like to see our second rounder spent on this position, and probably another late rounder for depth though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: I beg to differ. you have a future HOF DE- entering his prime years. The position and talent doesn’t grow on trees. I don’t think he’s much of leader but the talent and that chess piece is very attractive. I said we have one pass rusher, so I won’t comment further on this. And Take a look around the league and see if other teams have 3 DBs that you can put on an island. Ask Tom Brady what he thinks of our corners. Sure and we can ask Flacco, Tua, and some guy named Zappe what they think of our corners. And while we’re at it, we can inquire about those RB’s on the Falcons & Chargers that had career days against the D. What is maddening to me is there is really good football talk on here…but too many of you expect a perfect roster when salary cap and injuries and pursuit of a franchise QB can stand in the way. Perfect roster? When you look at the draft capital and cash spent on the defense, I don’t know where your standards are but I certainly expect a hell of a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 18 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: I think the job overall is appealing. You have three CBs that can play pretty dang good man coverage: Ward, Newsome, Emerson. We hope the next guy doesn’t sit in zone coverage repeatedly on 3rd and long and pray that Myles gets to the QB. We need a MIKE and an IDL. These are priority 1a and 1b. Did you like the move of Newsome playing as our slot/nickle corner? I still think he's stronger suited to stay outside as CB2? @tiamat63 Newsome went inside to replace Troy Hill.. We might see Berry draft/add a true slot Corner? But not before a Safety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 I'd prefer to not let your two lead-off hitters walk out the building... Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · Follow Sources: The Browns will interview Tennessee's Jim Schwartz tomorrow,(Wednesday) and Pittsburgh's Brian Flores on Thursday for their defensive coordinator job, per sources. (Cleveland still working out timing with NE's Jerod Mayo and Seattle's Sean Desai.) 8:32 PM · Jan 10, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 8 hours ago, gumby73 said: Did you like the move of Newsome playing as our slot/nickle corner? I still think he's stronger suited to stay outside as CB2? @tiamat63 Newsome went inside to replace Troy Hill.. We might see Berry draft/add a true slot Corner? But not before a Safety This might just be a bit of a viewing and experience type bias, but I remember Newsie getting beat across his face to the inside quite a bit. He was drafted in a similar mold to Emerson, to be that tall(er) type corner with wingspan who could be physical at the line. It's why I advocated for Ward to take some slot snaps at times. The whole "we paid him to play #1 outside" notion be damned. Chris Harris is proof of what an elite, high paid nickel can bring to the table. And if the offenses' game plan dictates structure to involve that slot as a primary, then I want to use my best weapon to take that away. Which reminds me... I wonder how Damarri Mathis did this season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDDawg Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 7:33 PM, SdBacker80 said: No it was the secondary years ago…the LBs the second year…the IDL this past year. Nevermind he had 7 of the 8 top picks the past three years invested in defensive players. We apparently didn’t give him enough. They didn't have anyone to replace him with in the Defensive staff which is why he was fired pretty much after the final whistle on Sunday. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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