nickers Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 This is what Andrew Berry gets for trading off Dobbs and entrusting the game to a garbage QB who was worse than a dear in headlights and... This also belongs to Kevvy for mismanaging DTR and not putting him in position to succeed...He took the game out of his hands and showed no confidence in him whatsoever... This was piss poor coaching 101 at it's finest... There's just no 2 ways about it... Any respectable QB play and we win this... Poor effort by everybody From the FO on down... I mean at least employ some screens and wheel routes and get your guy comfy.. Berry and Kevvy are the weakest link on this team right now!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Junkyard Dog Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Worse rookie QB I have seen in a long time and some people actually wanted him to play earlier? Just goes to show anyone can look good in preseason. Yes could have called simpler plays for him, but not sure that would have helped all that much. Just a bad day all around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Is this a true or falls question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, Orion said: Is this a true or falls question? Have fun with it! LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 42 minutes ago, Orion said: Is this a true or falls question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 I’d be curious to see how it ranks among rookie debuts. It was definitely the worst I’ve seen in quite awhile. We really screwed up trading away Dobbs, with watsons play style I suspect we’ll need a qb2 to take some snaps through the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 hours ago, nickers said: This is what Andrew Berry gets for trading off Dobbs and entrusting the game to a garbage QB who was worse than a dear in headlights and... This also belongs to Kevvy for mismanaging DTR and not putting him in position to succeed...He took the game out of his hands and showed no confidence in him whatsoever... This was piss poor coaching 101 at it's finest... There's just no 2 ways about it... Any respectable QB play and we win this... Poor effort by everybody From the FO on down... I mean at least employ some screens and wheel routes and get your guy comfy.. Berry and Kevvy are the weakest link on this team right now!! This is the only comment that matters and it's exactly what I said. Berry's ridiculous trade of Dobbs put our players in this position and we had zero chance to even score, let alone win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 In two and half quarters I watched… Dobbs wasn’t winning this one. I think we lost to a team with a very good offensive game plan and a QB that had an MVP type performance. I hate heaping praise on Lamar but he was great today. ^^^thats what we will need if we want to do anything this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: In two and half quarters I watched… Dobbs wasn’t winning this one. I think we lost to a team with a very good offensive game plan and a QB that had an MVP type performance. I hate heaping praise on Lamar but he was great today. ^^^thats what we will need if we want to do anything this year. Well, may not win with dobbs but at least be competitive and have a chance at the game. That’s all you really want from a qb2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 The love for Josh Dobbs today on this board that was never evident when he was actually here is interesting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: The love for Josh Dobbs today on this board that was never evident when he was actually here is interesting. I think the constant losing has dummied down our fan base. QB #2 seems to be everybody's favorite player in Cleveland. I was at the game back in 2002 when Couch got hurt, and a majority of the fans cheered when he got carted off. It's been and endless cycle ever since. We're definitely a damaged crew, I do get the frustrations. Art Modell ripped my (our) heart out 28 years ago, and it seems we just can't recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Always Ghoolie Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Win, lose or draw a Sunday watching the Browns is always the best Sunday. There are a lot of technically very smart analytical guys on TBB. However, I don't believe this mess is about x's and o's, but instead one of not having a strong, self-determined leader. A race isn't over until the end, but the Browns franchise is simply not very good. In every tough game, when the chips are down, the Browns fall apart at the seams. It would be one thing if the team suffered player weaknesses in a certain area, but the fuck ups are like Lizzo.....they are all over the place, and no unit is cock-sure solid. The blame? I have no idea. What I do know is that this is not a winning franchise. Shit happens, but fuck, sometimes you have to win when shit happens. This team just can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Google "a forgone conclusion" The youtube lowlights of this game will be there..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: The love for Josh Dobbs today on this board that was never evident when he was actually here is interesting. Well I think the problem is watching Dobbs play serviceably in AZ and we had him under contract. This team is built to contend now, you need a serviceable QB2 that can keep you in games I like DTR, but he needs a lot more time in the film room and practice field to fill that role. Don’t think it’s fair to compare criticizing a bad trade to something like the Holcomb fiasco 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: The love for Josh Dobbs today on this board that was never evident when he was actually here is interesting. You're right, to a point, but how often do fans announce their love for a backup QB? We all know, ALL of us, that preseason doesn't mean anything. We were scared of losing DTR if we practice squaded him, so we traded Dobbs in hopes Watson never got hurt. A QB who doesn't know how to slide, throw it away, or pass it quickly. Watson will most likely miss more games unless something changes with his game. DTR can't play again, he just can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 I just hate arguing for Dobbs or some other JAG. This a good roster one of our best since we’ve been back but losing the best Running Back in football and your Franchise QB - we are cheering on at best an 8-9 team. And Win some and lose some was not the expectation this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, SdBacker80 said: I just hate arguing for Dobbs or some other JAG. This a good roster one of our best since we’ve been back but losing the best Running Back in football and your Franchise QB - we are cheering on at best an 8-9 team. And Win some and lose some was not the expectation this year. 6-11 team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 How do we get these calls?? Or no calls?? https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MxrUk4/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Well Im not pining for Dobbs per se... My general point was you don't jettison a back up with experience and expect a 5th round draft choice with no exp to lead your team... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Kvoethe said: How do we get these calls?? Or no calls?? https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MxrUk4/ We get calls. Did you see the first play of the game on offense that wiped out the long run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: We get calls. Did you see the first play of the game on offense that wiped out the long run? I liked last weeks fake out of bounds call that could have cost us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kvoethe said: I liked last weeks fake out of bounds call that could have cost us. I hope it all evens out to 50/50 at the end but we haven’t been in the right side of calls the last two weeks. The Ravens got a tough call against them last week in overtime. The nfl went ahead and corrected that on the PI call against Ward which had less than half of the contact of the play they didn’t call for the Ravens last week. The DPJ non call against the Steelers was probably worse than the non call against the Ravens last week. In the lead or a close game, I hope we are up two scores towards the end of the game so a call doesn’t completely crash the game. i hate complaining about each and every call - it is a broken system though. You have a multi billion dollar mega operation and you have officials exerting control over it that work part time for the NFL and have very little accountability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dutch Oven Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Hold on.... A fifth round rookie QB who was told he was starting hours before the game against a playoff team year in and year out with a head coach who has been with the team since the end of George W's second term looked really bad in his first NFL start? The hell you say! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 19 hours ago, bbedward said: This team is built to contend now, you need a serviceable QB2 that can keep you in games Thank you! If we want someone to blame, we can say it's the people that decided a late-round rookie draft pick is the #2 QB. And we can blame Watson for taking on tacklers instead of sliding which put his team in the position to have to play a rookie late-round pick. (...and coaches that don't teach GET DOWN to their QBs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korsou Dawg Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/1/2023 at 5:21 PM, nickers said: This is what Andrew Berry gets for trading off Dobbs and entrusting the game to a garbage QB who was worse than a dear in headlights and... This also belongs to Kevvy for mismanaging DTR and not putting him in position to succeed...He took the game out of his hands and showed no confidence in him whatsoever... This was piss poor coaching 101 at it's finest... There's just no 2 ways about it... Any respectable QB play and we win this... Poor effort by everybody From the FO on down... I mean at least employ some screens and wheel routes and get your guy comfy.. Berry and Kevvy are the weakest link on this team right now!! Surely Watson deserves some of the blame for this too... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 4:20 PM, syd said: 🤣 That commercial is hilarious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Korsou Dawg said: Surely Watson deserves some of the blame for this too... Well said KD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/1/2023 at 10:18 PM, bbedward said: Well I think the problem is watching Dobbs play serviceably in AZ and we had him under contract. This team is built to contend now, you need a serviceable QB2 that can keep you in games I like DTR, but he needs a lot more time in the film room and practice field to fill that role. Don’t think it’s fair to compare criticizing a bad trade to something like the Holcomb fiasco Great post! As the volume of teams is now at 32, there's not even enough serviceable starting QBs in this league. Last year, the Browns had a reliable fill-in starter they probably should have kept. He already knew the offense or what it is... Seems weird to guarantee 230 $ to a QB that decided near the end of the week after preparing for the Rats with "THE GAME PLAN" that "Man, my shoulder really hurts!" I wonder what hurt more - the shoulder or the reality of the game plan the brain trust thought could beat the Rats... I'm most worried about the offensive brain trust or game planning committee (inclusive of FO/Depodesta). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korsou Dawg Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 22 hours ago, Flugel said: Well said KD! Judging by ol' nickers reaction, it seems my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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