Alabama is a crazy place

[MLD Woody]

And I see you're no longer responding to the "religion" posts. I imagine you realized how wrong your were there too. 

[calfoxwc]

I see you are still arguing nonsense. Legal rights, as in they can go to school, while being frozen embryos?

what ARE you actually pretending to talk about?

I think if an employee was unauthorized to access those frozen embryos, with no safe gloves or no gloves, he/she is extremely stupid, or doped up....something, and when he/she dropped them, he destroyed their entire perspective futures, destroyed their future lives.

   They had a legal right to future lives when the responsible parties chose to initiate them.

   How the law sees the damage done, is above our pay grade. But it is serious.

Just once, I wish you would try to answer your own questions first.

[FY56]

6 hours ago, cccjwh said:

Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization - Wikipedia

Texas law banning some drag shows is unconstitutional, federal judge rules | CNN Politics

PEN America v. Escambia County School District - PEN America

That your party taking away rights. You keep pretending. 

Waiting for your memes and insults....

 

Dobbs and Jackson had nothing to do with taking away rights you idiot.

It determined that abortion is not protected by the Constitution. Only a rational person would understand that a horrific procedure should not be protected by the Constitution.

The Texas Law. It doesn't surprise me the in the least that scum like you would consider “sexually oriented performances” on public property and in the presence of anyone younger than 18" is acceptable..in the name of "rights". 

Schools should be places of learning, not indoctrination centers.

The rights that are being ignored are those that don't want their kids reading the shit you people embrace.

The challenges included claims that books were pornographic (Judy Blume’s Forever…), their purpose was “indoctrination” (David Levithan’s Two Boys Kissing; George M. Johnson’s All Boys Aren’t Blue), they promoted a “woke agenda” (Jerry Craft’s New Kid), contained “glorified pedophilia” (Toni Morrison’s The Bluest Eye), were “race-baiting” (Mark Weakland’s When Wilma Rudolph Played Basketball), or contained “alternate sexual ideologies” (Sarah Brannen’s Uncle Bobby’s Wedding) or “alternate gender identities” (Kyle Lukoff’s Too Bright to See). A novel about love and racism in 1930s Texas, Out of Darkness by Ashley Hope Perez, was mischaracterized as aiming to “sexually excite.” The picture book And Tango Makes Three by Justin Richardson and Peter Parnell allegedly served an “LGBTQ agenda using penguins.” 

[FY56]

12 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Exactly what I said. We discussed this enough times that unless you just being hostile for some reason you should understand. As you know I don't call myself a creationist a Fundamentalist or even a Christian. I don't think I live up to the standards out expect a Christian to at least strive for. Then again I don't feel comfortable calling myself at atheist because I just don't know. And while I'm not a pro-lifer I do think there should be some boundaries about abortion.

As for you when you're ready to state that you are an atheist or that you are in any time for any reason at any age abortion guy then it's probably easier for you to make a black and white answer. If you aren't 100% on either of those then I would suppose probably is a valid answer.

WSS

This is pretty darn close to my sentiments.

I'm Ok with Alabama's decision and would have been OK with it if it were shot down. 

[cccjwh]

12 minutes ago, FY56 said:

Dobbs and Jackson had nothing to do with taking away rights you idiot.

It determined that abortion is not protected by the Constitution. Only a rational person would understand that a horrific procedure should not be protected by the Constitution.

The Texas Law. It doesn't surprise me the in the least that scum like you would consider “sexually oriented performances” on public property and in the presence of anyone younger than 18" is acceptable..in the name of "rights". 

Schools should be places of learning, not indoctrination centers.

The rights that are being ignored are those that don't want their kids reading the shit you people embrace.

The challenges included claims that books were pornographic (Judy Blume’s Forever…), their purpose was “indoctrination” (David Levithan’s Two Boys Kissing; George M. Johnson’s All Boys Aren’t Blue), they promoted a “woke agenda” (Jerry Craft’s New Kid), contained “glorified pedophilia” (Toni Morrison’s The Bluest Eye), were “race-baiting” (Mark Weakland’s When Wilma Rudolph Played Basketball), or contained “alternate sexual ideologies” (Sarah Brannen’s Uncle Bobby’s Wedding) or “alternate gender identities” (Kyle Lukoff’s Too Bright to See). A novel about love and racism in 1930s Texas, Out of Darkness by Ashley Hope Perez, was mischaracterized as aiming to “sexually excite.” The picture book And Tango Makes Three by Justin Richardson and Peter Parnell allegedly served an “LGBTQ agenda using penguins.” 

 

Again. Before the Dobbs decision women had rights that they no longer do is many states in the country. Rights were taken by your party. 

Drag shows are protected speech. Yet your party still has tried over and over again to take their rights away from them.

Banning books is bad. Make up whatever justification you want.

I forgot about you guys telling parents and doctors that can't give treatment because it upset your feelings. Some more rights your party keep trying to take. While pretty pretending to care about "freedom". What a joke.

 

 

[FY56]

17 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

 

Again. Before the Dobbs decision women had rights that they no longer do is many states in the country. Rights were taken by your party. 

Drag shows are protected speech. Yet your party still have tried over and over again to take their rights away from them.

Banning books is bad. Make up whatever justification you want.

Right, you give examples of perverted, lewd acts, just so you can declare atop your perch of liberal superiority that conservatives are out to take away your rights. 

You're a pathetic piece of work.

Banning books is not bad for a certain age groups.

Furthermore, the books will not be banned. You can find them anywhere.

 

[cccjwh]

Make all the excuse you want. Your party is the only one taking away rights. I know you are fine with it, since it isn't your rights being taken away. But it is still happening.

 

[Canton Dawg]

19 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

Drag shows are protected speech.

If it’s a public display, it’s nothing but garbage. Do that shit somewhere behind closed doors, just like a strip club.

Banning books is bad. Make up whatever justification you want.

Like Dr Suess?

 

 

 

[cccjwh]

1 minute ago, Canton Dawg said:

 

You are confusing your fantasies with drag shows.

[MLD Woody]

The tapdancing around answering a yes no question in this thread is hilarious 

[Vambo]

[FY56]

17 hours ago, cccjwh said:

Make all the excuse you want. Your party is the only one taking away rights. I know you are fine with it, since it isn't your rights being taken away. But it is still happening.

 

Those aren't excuses, they are reasons. You falsely and intentionally equate putting the brakes on perverted, lewd acts, as a threat to rights that extend beyond that. 

Furthermore, the books will not be banned. You can find them anywhere.

 

 

[FY56]

17 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

The tapdancing around answering a yes no question in this thread is hilarious 

Well if you could keep your friend from coming over here and posting unrelated stuff, perhaps someone would pay attention to you. So it's not necessarily tapdancing.

Anyway it's hard for me to answer your question because Jesus never talked about those kind of things.

 

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, FY56 said:

Well if you could keep your friend from coming over here and posting unrelated stuff, perhaps someone would pay attention to you. So it's not necessarily tapdancing.

Anyway it's hard for me to answer your question because Jesus never talked about those kind of things.

 

So your answer here is based on Jesus / Christianity?

[cccjwh]

2 hours ago, FY56 said:

Those aren't excuses, they are reasons. You falsely and intentionally equate putting the brakes on perverted, lewd acts, as a threat to rights that extend beyond that. 

Furthermore, the books will not be banned. You can find them anywhere.

 

 

Most fascists have reasons for taking away people's rights. 

 

[FY56]

3 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

So your answer here is based on Jesus / Christianity?

No. I'm not at all religious.

I would have to say yes and no. No, an embryo does not have the same rights as an individual... up until 14 days from its creation.

To my understanding, post 14 days the embryo has reached the point of individuation, meaning that it is rendered an individual regardless of it's development.

Therefore, if science establishes individuation at that point, then one can argue that it must have the rights of an individual, can't they?

 

[FY56]

1 hour ago, cccjwh said:

Most fascists have reasons for taking away people's rights. 

 

Except you people are the fascists. 

[cccjwh]

50 minutes ago, FY56 said:

Except you people are the fascists. 

Do you need to schooled on what fascism is again? 

 

[FY56]

3 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

Do you need to schooled on what fascism is again? 

 

You've never schooled me on anything, but by all means, would love to hear your version.

[cccjwh]

GOP taking more people rights away.

Tennessee Republicans just quietly overturned gay marriage (advocate.com)

Public officials in Tennessee can now refuse to grant a marriage license to anyone at their own discretion, for any reason.

Republican Gov. Bill Lee signed into law House Bill 878 on Wednesday, which took effect immediately. The bill — just a few sentences in length — only states that "a person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage." Only state notary publics, government officials, and religious figures can "solemnize" a marriage in Tennessee, according to state code.

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

[Canton Dawg]

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

 

[cccjwh]

33 minutes ago, FY56 said:

You've never schooled me on anything, but by all means, would love to hear your version.

 

Let me which one you disagree with.

 

PC-00466.pdf (osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com)

Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?,
" Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the
fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14
elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.
The 14 characteristics are:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are
flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases
because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious
minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic
agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more
rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or
sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and
terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies
or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually
beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely
suppressed .
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even
forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and
even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media.
Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control election

 

[FY56]

 

31 minutes ago, cccjwh said:

GOP taking more people rights away.

Tennessee Republicans just quietly overturned gay marriage (advocate.com)

Public officials in Tennessee can now refuse to grant a marriage license to anyone at their own discretion, for any reason.

Republican Gov. Bill Lee signed into law House Bill 878 on Wednesday, which took effect immediately. The bill — just a few sentences in length — only states that "a person shall not be required to solemnize a marriage." Only state notary publics, government officials, and religious figures can "solemnize" a marriage in Tennessee, according to state code.

Ok. Now its about gay marriage. Who would have thought.

In this case the Gov is wrong. Public officials should not be allowed to refuse marriage licenses to anyone. 

Regardless, you continue to give weak frivolous examples to support your fake outrage. Nobody's buying what you're so desperately trying to sell you clown. The Republicans are no threat to take away your rights or mine.

Look to the demonrats for that.

[cccjwh]

7 minutes ago, FY56 said:

 

Ok. Now its about gay marriage. Who would have thought.

In this case the Gov is wrong. Public officials should not be allowed to refuse marriage licenses to anyone. 

Regardless, you continue to give weak frivolous examples to support your fake outrage. Nobody's buying what you're so desperately trying to sell you clown. The Republicans are no threat to take away your rights or mine.

Look to the demonrats for that.

It's only weak because it doesn't affect you. Your party took their rights away. You keep spinning that it isn't a big deal. 

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

[FY56]

4 hours ago, cccjwh said:

 

Let me which one you disagree with.

 

PC-00466.pdf (osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com)

Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?,
" Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the
fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14
elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.
The 14 characteristics are:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are
flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases
because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious
minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military 
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic
agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more
rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media 
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or
sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and
terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies
or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected 
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually
beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely
suppressed .
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even
forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and
even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media.
Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control election

 

Oh great, a copy paste.

Certainly there are a lot of parallels. Some of the characteristics of fascism that have been the staples of this country since forever must mean we've been a fascist nation all along. And you really believe that. You've always hated this country and I already knew that.

So why don't you take your liberal ass down to the border and warn those illegals that this is an oppressive fascist nation and to go back home...they were better off there.

Now it's your turn to read my copy and paste.

Liberalism and Fascism: 5 ways in which ‘liberals’ are exactly the same as Nazis

 

While it is fancy, these days, for people to accuse the political opponents of Liberalism as 'fascists', in reality, Liberalism and Nazism are cousins and the fight between them is one of sibling rivalry.

 

 

15 January, 2020

K Bhattacharjee

28089

The 20th Century witnessed two of the bloodiest wars in the entirety of human history. More than seven decades have passed since the end of the second world war and as it happens very often, much of what was known, or should have been known, has been forgotten. However, there are certain patterns that can be deduced through observation alone. And it is those aspects that we shall focus on here.

In the second world war, unlike what has traditionally been believed, there were three totalitarian ideologies competing for supremacy, arguably at a global scale. The three primary actors, certainly the three most powerful ones, were the flagbearers of these totalitarian ideologies. One of the ideologies was vanquished in the second world war, another at the end of the cold war. The one that emerged victorious on both these occasions still survives and expectedly, it is not considered totalitarian in the 21st century.

The first, of course, was Nazism and the second was Communism. The third, which emerged victorious against both these ideologies, was, needless to say, Liberalism. Nazism ceased to be a serious political force with the end of Hitler’s Germany. Communism suffered the same fate with the dismemberment of the Soviet Union. Liberalism, however, is the state ideology of the world’s only superpower: The USA.

People may argue Liberalism is not totalitarian in nature and everyone has human rights and freedom of speech but one must also reconcile themselves with the fact that people who live in a totalitarian regime do not consider the regime to be totalitarian. For instance, it’s extremely unlikely that in the world George Orwell created in 1948, the residents perceived the state to be totalitarian. For them, a totalitarian society was ‘normal’. Similarly, people who live in a liberal society are unlikely to consider it tyranny. It’s only from the outside that it looks totalitarian.

Read: ‘Fascist Modi’ or ‘Over Tolerant Modi’: When Modi pardoned Muslim men for sending him threatening letters

In the 20th century, the similarities between these three ideologies wasn’t so apparent as these three ideologies were at war with each other. However, in the 21st Century, as Liberalism’s stranglehold over power became nearly complete backed by military prowess of the US military, the similarities have become more than apparent. Today, we look at some of glowing similarities between Liberalism and Fascism.

1. Obsession with Race

Adolf Hitler, as we are well aware, was obsessed with the supposed superiority of the ‘Aryan Race’. In his bid to ‘secure the future’ of the ‘Aryan Race’, he committed the genocide of Jews in Germany. Similarly, liberals in the West are obsessed with race too. In fact, they are so obsessed that a strong candidate for the Democrat nominee for US Presidential elections in 2020 lied about her race and claimed that she is Native American despite the fact she is not in order to gain political benefits.

Furthermore, prominent liberals in the US can be regularly found to be engaged in anti-White rhetoric where they can be seen cheering for ‘White Genocide’, all the while denying that such a thing exists. In India, liberals are obsessed with the Aryan-Dravidian race theory despite the fact that it has been regularly debunked by scholars and academics. But that hasn’t stopped Indian liberals from continuing to further the race theory. The obsession that liberals have with race is very similar to that shared by Nazi Germany.

In India, the rhetoric that liberals employ against Brahmins is akin to the one employed by Nazi Germany against Jews. In mainstream Dravidian politics, which is cheered on and encouraged and sustained by liberalism, the propaganda against Brahmins are is completely alike that fueled by Nazis against Jews.

2. Ideological Unity between the Media and Political Parties

In Nazi Germany, the media served as the propaganda wing of the fascist government. We see a similar pattern in the liberal world. The media was an extended arm of the Nazis. In the USA, we see the mainstream media act as the propaganda wing of the Democrat party. The collusion that was observed between news networks and Hillary Clinton was for all to see. The liberal American media has even justified violence by Antifa goons against their political opponents.

In India, we see the mainstream media serve as the propaganda wing of the ‘Secular’ parties. There is extreme collusion between the political establishment and the media. The Liberal media demonizes the opponents of secular political parties and their supporters, exaggerates minor events in order to benefit secular politicians and whitewashes and buries news that could adversely impact secular parties. It’s an incestuous relationship between Liberal Media and Liberal political parties and they work together in the same fashion as the media and politicians in Nazi Germany.

However, there is one distinct difference between the media-politics nexus in the world of liberalism and Nazism. In Nazi Germany, no efforts were made to hide the relationship. But liberalism, in order to be more effective, claims to be ‘independent’ and ‘neutral’ even when they are clearly not and buries the incestuous relationship under layers and layers of carefully constructed diversions.

The relationship between the Media and politicians in Nazi Germany and in the Liberal World stems from the ideological unity between them, the material benefits that are gained are only a second-order requirement. Loyalty to ideology is the main motivation.

3. Ideological Unity between Academia and Political Parties

In Nazi Germany, the Academia served the Nazis greatly and even helped shape their ideology and provided them with ideas and techniques to help them achieve their nefarious objectives. We see a similar pattern in the liberal world. The political parties rely on academia for acquiring footsoldiers and legitimizing their evil agenda while the latter relies on the former for patronage.

The Academia also provides Liberal politicians with footsoldiers and innovative techniques in order for them to achieve their political goals. Here, again, we see a complete unity of ideology between the Academia and Liberal political parties. It is the same in the US as it is in India. The liberal parties work in tandem in order to indoctrinate the youth and achieve ideological objectives.

4. The Will to Power and Crushing Dissent

In Nazi Germany, there was complete coherence of ideology between the political establishment, the Media and Academia. A similar pattern is also observed in the world of Liberalism. The three departments, together, with complete ideological unity between them, form the Liberal Establishment in the 21st century. The arms of the Liberal Establishment then work in tandem, like Nazi Germany, to crush dissent and entrench itself in the corridors of power.

The Liberal Establishment crushes dissent, demonizes its opponent unfairly and unceremoniously removes them from power all the while accusing their political opponent of being fascists, despite the fact that it is the structure of their politics that is completely akin to Nazi Germany. No stones are left unturned in order to secure their power. In India, the Liberal Establishment has also engaged in the genocide of Hindus and Sikhs, in Kashmir and in 1984 respectively.

The three arms of the Liberal Establishment attack and defend together. Whenever the power of one arm is under threat, the other arms immediately comes to their defense. For instance, when there is a threat to its political power, the academia and the media immediately rushes to their defense in order to defeat its political opponents. When political rivals attempt to remove stranglehold of liberals in academia, political parties and the media rushes to its defense. When the monopoly of liberals over media is threatened, the academia and political parties rush to provide cover. And together, they fight to ensure that the Liberal Establishment continues to thrive.

Simultaneously, the opponents of the Liberal Establishment are crushed by the three arms together and it’s ensured that opposing ideologies never get a foothold in these institutions. If someone or some entity succeeds in gaining legitimacy in these three arms, then they demonized and every effort is made to tarnish their reputation and destroy their lives. In many instances, people actually lose their lives and their death is brushed under the carpet as an insignificant statistic. And on and on it goes.

5. A Totalitarian Society

The most distinguishing feature of a totalitarian society or a totalitarian ideology is that the power structure isn’t merely interested in what an individual says or how he acts but also how people think. It is not enough to merely say or act in a certain way, a person must also believe the ideology completely. Otherwise, the person can be accused of a ‘thoughtcrime’ and persecuted accordingly.

In George Orwell’s 1984, ‘thoughtcrime’ describes a person’s politically unorthodox thoughts, such as unspoken beliefs and doubts that contradict the dominant political ideology. We see a similar pattern playing out in the liberal world. Merely accusations and allegations combined with certain ‘suspicious’ behaviour is enough reason to completely destroy an individual’s life.

For instance, a person does not have to be a ‘homophobe’ or ‘misogynist’ in order to have his life completely destroyed and ruined, mere accusations are enough. Furthermore, anyone who does not endorse the most extreme positions of the Liberal world is branded ‘homophobe’, ‘misogynist’, ‘regressive’ or whatever the latest buzzword maybe and then it is demanded that his professional career be destroyed.

Mere differences in political opinions are treated as thoughtcrimes and efforts are undertaken to crush the individual. Everyone who disagrees with a liberal is Sanghi and fascist against whom even violence is justified. ‘Jai Shri Ram’ slogans and chants of ‘Vande Mataram’ are deemed as provocations.

Conclusion

While it is fancy, these days, for people to accuse the political opponents of Liberalism as ‘fascists’, in reality, Liberalism and Nazism are cousins and the fight between them is one of sibling rivalry. The reason why liberals paint all their political opponents from diverse political backgrounds as ‘fascist’ is that ‘fascism’ is the ideology they are most well acquainted with and intimate with.

Read: From fake ‘Jai Shri Ram’ hate crimes to CAA: Five big battle of narratives that the ‘Liberal Establishment’ lost in 2019

The tactic of labeling the political opponents of Liberalism as fascists is also a way to hide the fact that Liberalism is the one ideology that shares the most similarity with Fascism. It’s also a way to distract people from the fact that it is the conduct of liberals that resembles that of Nazis the most. Most dangerously, however, the footsoldiers of liberalism religiously believe the accusations they level against their opponents and the indoctrination they have suffered makes them unable to see the intricate similarities between Liberalism and Fascism. However, if they look into the mirror with honesty and integrity, they will discover that the two ideologies are mirror images of themselves in a great many essential respects.

A Facist government knows whats best for kids.

Government knows best:Who knows what's best for kids? Hint: Biden and Democrats don't think it's parents

 

Now grab a book.

 

Review

A right hook to the left

 

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the Left From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning Jonah Goldberg Penguin £9.99, pp496 Nick Cohen finds much to admire in a blistering attack on liberalism

 

It is undeniable that the best way to have avoided complicity in the horrors of the last century would have been to have adopted the politics of Jonah Goldberg. Much can be said against moderate conservatives, but it has to be admitted that their wariness of grand designs and their willingness to place limits on the over-mighty state give them a clean record others cannot share. Few of Goldberg's contemporaries will grant him the same courtesy. He lives in a western culture where "smug, liberal know-nothings, sublimely confident in the truth of their ill-informed opinions" accuse him of being "a fascist and a Nazi" simply because he is a conservative. Meanwhile, the heart-throb-savant George Clooney can assert that "the liberal movement morally has stood on the right side".

Behind the insults and the self-righteousness is the assumption that politics runs on a continuum from far left to far right; that if David Cameron were to keep moving rightwards, he would end up a Nazi. Goldberg sets out to knock down this false paradigm and show that much of what Americans call liberalism, and we call leftism, has its origins in fascism.

 

I say "knock down", but that is too mild a phrase. Liberal Fascism is not a clean blow to the jaw, but a multiple rocket launcher of a book that targets just about every liberal American hero and ideal. The title comes from HG Wells, the most strenuous intellectual advocate of totalitarianism on the early-20th-century British left. "I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti," he told the Oxford Union in 1932, "for enlightened Nazis. The world is sick of parliamentary democracy. The Fascist party is Italy. The Communist is Russia. The Fascists of liberalism must carry out a parallel ambition of a far grander scale."

Wells saw no difference between communism and fascism and Goldberg puts a compelling case that neither should we. Mussolini began as a socialist agitator. The Nazis were a national socialist party which despised bourgeois democracy and offered a comprehensive welfare state.

I agree that all totalitarianisms are essentially the same, and that far leftists combined with far rightists in the 1920s and 1930s and are doing so again now. But I had difficulties with Goldberg's concept of totalitarian unity. Communists killed different people to fascists. If you were a peasant farmer in Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy or Saddam Hussein's Iraq, they allowed you to live - as long as you did not cross them. Marxism was the greatest disaster the 20th-century peasantry endured. Death by execution or in a manmade famine could await, regardless of whether you kept your nose out of politics. While Goldberg's definition of fascism as the "right wing of the socialist movement" is true in as far as it goes, it does not explain the selectiveness of the rival terrors.

In America, flustered liberal critics have had far greater difficulty with the notion that they and their predecessors are the inheritors of ideas that began in the fascist movement. Goldberg certainly leaves them little left to be proud of as he provides an alternative history of an America that Simon Schama lacks the intellectual courage to confront.

He begins with Woodrow Wilson and shows that before Mussolini came to power, a Democratic president imposed a militarised state. When America entered the First World War, the progressives of the day used the conflict as an excuse to arrest dissidents, close newspapers and recruit tens of thousands of neighbourhood spies.

Wilson began the overlap between progressive and fascistic politics, which continued for the rest of the 20th century. Avant-garde Nazi philosophers - Heidegger, Paul de Man, Carl Schmitt - are venerated by nominal leftists in the postmodern universities, who love their contempt for traditional morality and standards of truth. Nazism was the first example of modern identity politics. All that mattered was whether you were German, Slav or Jew.

Beginning with the Black Panthers, multiculturalism has also placed racial and religious identity above all else and beyond the reach of rational argument. Fascism was a pagan movement, whose mystic tropes are repeated by new age healers, vegetarians and greens.

I could go on and Goldberg does go on. By the end, I began to weary not of his argument, but of his habit of protesting too much. Repeatedly he insists that he does not want to allege that, for instance, Hillary Clinton's admittedly sinister desire for the state to take the place of the family makes her a totalitarian, merely that her ideas come from the totalitarian movement.

But he clearly does want to be able to accuse the Clintons of fascism and his disavowals lack conviction. Like the leftists who abuse him, he is in danger of shouting "fascist" so often that he will miss the real thing when it appears. And miss, too, the better side of his enemies. I dug out George Clooney's full quote - which Goldberg doesn't give - and discovered that the reason he thought that liberals had been on "the right side" was that they had "thought that blacks should be allowed to sit at the front of the bus and women should be able to vote, McCarthy was wrong, Vietnam was a mistake". For all the undoubted crimes of the left, is that not at least a plea of mitigation?

Liberal Fascism is a bracing and stylish examination of political history. That it is being published at a time when Goldberg's free market has failed and big government and charismatic presidents are on their way back in no way invalidates his work. Hard times test intellectuals and, for all its occasional false notes, Goldberg's case survives.

Heres a nice movie you may enjoy.

 

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2 hours ago, cccjwh said:

It's only weak because it doesn't affect you. Your party took their rights away. You keep spinning that it isn't a big deal. 

It isn't as big as a deal you so badly want it to be in order to validate your fake outrage.

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Isn't it adorable how the lefties call the good guys "fascists" only because we call them commies, which happens to be closer to the truth. Obama was a closet socialist and a fan of communist Frank Marshall Davis. Bernie Sanders was a socialist.

Yes cccp I know socialism is different from communism. Don't attempt to shower me with your wisdom.

And stop hijacking Woodys thread.