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44 minutes ago, nickers said:

Ummm English please... I don't do Ebonics...

I'm sure you know the soccer board......go back there...

16 minutes ago, nickers said:

My old man hungout with Jim Brown... Never once said he was racist... They just have a few drinks together at the Left Bank in the Flats...

U know some people if u support equality for one demo then u hate the other

17 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

nope. never once. Jim Brown was an ardent racist back then, and his domestic violence - Dad and I did not respect him at all.

Leroy Kelly was our favorite rb back then. He was great, too. Would you give three NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICKS for McDowell after he did what he did?

me neither.

I never said I was going to root for the ratbirds and squealers after this fiasco. I just said I'm done with spending time watching their games.

haslams and berry apparently don't give a damn that they have divided their fans into two groups after this controversy....all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the networks.

so be it. let the network execs buy all their tickets. I won't even watch them anymore.

Brown was a racist? Did he have reasons?

12 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

Nope.

The agency in this wasn't Watson's.

Watson's interactions with women are actually a red herring because none of us will likely know for certain precisely what happened.  The only thing we do know for certain is that whatever happened both wasn't criminal and wasn't enough to deliver an indictment.  This is your weekly reminder that hearsay can, in fact, be testimony -- because in reality very few cases ever have "smoking-gun evidence" -- and even with all those witnesses they still ended up with bupkis not once but twice.

 

The lawsuits came purely because Watson forced his way out of Texas.. The ONLY way this could have been avoided is if Watson remained with Houston.

 

If Watson had remained in Houston, "magically" zero lawsuits would have been filed against him and this wouldn't be a thing.

Are the women money-grabbing? Sure, but not from Watson. From McNair..

And it was a Grand Jury....they can indict almost over any reason....

6 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?

 

I believe statistics, historical data, research and eye witness accounts. 

Even Guilty rapists are getting away or slap on the wrist..see: Brock Turner...especially on college campuses. 

7 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

From Jim Brown wikipedia:

"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".

In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.

In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.

In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.

In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.

Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".

No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.

And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.

Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?

2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

the browns never traded away THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS FOR THEM.

Important facts so often get lost in the mire.

Where have those  picks gotten us?Important fact also....the Browns have wasted multiple 1st round picks....especially on mediocre QBs.  Manziel, Couch, Baker.....

Rams and Tampa wining the last 2 Superbowls show you how unimportant picks have become

7 minutes ago, nickers said:

You must be talking about Bill Clinton..

Lol....u wish

29 minutes ago, nickers said:

Or doing what MC Hammer did giving his money away to lazy bums...Who did NOTHING...

Attorneys,  Doctors, Politicians....etc...young, dumb and do all type of crap.

We had a President who had 25 sex allegations who was also raw dogging pornstarstars while having a pregnant wife....

I worked with a criminal defense attorney out of law school.....trust me.......happy endings is nothing....ask Jim Irsay the Colts owner

3 minutes ago, nickers said:

It still does not excuse Watson for being a DUMB FUCK and getting himself into this mess... Which had he used his fucking head... All couldve been avoided.

 

So whats to stop him from doing more stupid shit?

Most rich, famous dudes in their 20s do stupid sh@#.....

Heck...take away rich and famous and they still do stupid sh@# that can be avoided.

Nothing new......less and less are caring 

2 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Fair Point. So both are okay or neither is okay?

WSS

Problem is either innocent or 1 of them or neither?

That's what got to be answered first 

27 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

What are the chances. . .🤔

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2022/03/houston-attorney-representing-quarterback-deshaun-watson-played-role-in-fraud-trial-of-browns-owner-jimmy-haslams-company.html

That's only a little weird.  Haslam sent the private investigators,, they came back with good news and possibly recommended the attorney.  That's not new amongst the wealthy and famous..

The Texans owner and the women's attorney relationship is weird and could be criminal. The FBI got involved....they're not going to get involved because of a quarterback and happy endings that don't even cross state lines.

The FBI will get involved over a potential conspiracy charge involving a billionaire owner and a attorney setting up said quarterback 

5 hours ago, Orion said:

I hear that.  And he's single.  I was explaining to a coworker, Heck, if I was 20 somethin', rich, single, and into messages, I don't know if I can say for 100% certain that I wouldn't ask for the royal treatment.  My coworker said, I would every time.   

I'm just sayin'...if you're famous, you're in the spotlight and the cross-hairs at the same time.  And if you're a star QB in the NFL, then you're famous.  And yes, kids idolize you.  Last week I watched my 6 & 8 year old grandsons at flag football instructional practice.  First time for the little one.  When he got by the defender in the hand-off and run drill...and got to the end of the cones...scoring his first ever TD, he did the cutest little dance.  I was smiling ear to ear, chuckling.......but if it was the 1960's he wouldn't have been doing a dance.  They are what they see.  (Joe Walsh - Too bad for the children, they ARE what they see)

Exactly...and its weird that the all got the same attorney and it's just so happens to be the neighbor of the Texans owner...there over 75,000 attorneys in Texas....what are the chances...

Right....but only to a degree. Yes, your kid did a dance after a touchdown he saw ( I used to yell Jordan on fadeaways) but you are teaching him fatherhood with your parenting. You are the biggest and strongest influence in his life. I used to imitate Jordan on the court but I didn't think I could go cursing people out, treating them like trash, pay gambling debts off to mobsters...etc..cuz at the end of the day.as explainedto me thoroughly by my Mom.. I wasn't him.

41 minutes ago, hish747 said:

Maybe for kids it's about looking up to an NFL player. For adults, it's the underlying moral theme that seeps into our psyche.

That sounds like parents who blamed Marilyn Manson for their kids being on heroin or gangster rap for shootings.......copout

We have PRESIDENTS who have been accused of starting unnecessary wars, bigotry....heck..we had 1 who had more women alleged to be sexually assaulted than 22...

I'm not holding a fu@$$ football player to a higher standard than a PRESIDENT 

1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

Unfortunately some do.....check this board

20 minutes ago, Orion said:

People don't understand that when you're in the public eye, you are held to a higher standard...because you become a role model.  Like it or not.  The young kids look up to them.  They are being molded by what they see and experience.  Now, guys can avoid this 'higher standard' thing.  They can instead go work at Dunkin Donuts.  

Nope....thats on who raises you.  Not 1 damn time growing up did I think I could do what a celebrity or a professional athlete could do. My parents and my faith......if your kid is emulating a famous person and u don't check them...thats on you. It's not on anyone else,let alone a famous athlete to raise your sex trophy.

15 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Also.... none of us follow the Browns for our morale... so there's that.

Unfortunately some do.....check this board

-Matt Lombardo of FanSided said  this morning said Baker could be comeback player of the year if he goes to Seattle

-Vince Lombardi jr this morning said Watson maynot be suspended and that there's alot more to the case that's about to come out

1 minute ago, lodilobo said:

From what I've seen from both qb's, your boy Brisset is going to have improve a hell of a lot to play better than Mayfield...even at his worst. 

We shall see....Has he ever had a top line, top running game, top 5 defense...? Over under is 9.5 with Watson's suspension..we won 8 last year..

I see now...Brisset is gonna play better than Baker and people are going to blame it on Baker's injuries when Baker himself is to blame. Which is fine...as ong is he holds it down till Watson comes in

1 hour ago, calfoxwc said:

wrong - it isn't "naive" and "personal" to have strong moral stances in one's life. Everybody makes their own choices. Putting a sleazebucket is just unacceptable to me, regardless of what team it is.

Wrong...its niave and it isn't based in reality. Only a child believes you truly know these famous, wealthy athletes. 

Spoiler alert....you dont. Not to mention the hypocrisy I've seen regarding this

I didn't leave my country when someone was made Prssident with 25 alleged sexual assaults so WTF would I leave my team because the quarterback has 22.?

GO BROWNS!!

37 minutes ago, hoorta said:

If you don't consider the o-line a weapon or at least an integral part of a teams offence, I can't help you. Tim Couch and David Carr had their careers prematurely ended after their sieve o-lines got them beaten to a pulp. Regarding the Browns WRs. Yup, OBJ, Landry and Hooper ALL simultaneously starting playing like crap. Not a chance in the world the real reason was BAKER was playing like crap. Keep on making excuses for him though. The stats say the Browns were middle of the pack in drops. And it's hard to catch passes when Mayfield is sailing the ball 10' over their heads. Even Njoku can't jump that high. There's a high probability the reason the Browns can't currently get anything more than a sack of seeds for Baker is because every defensive coordinator in the league saw the same stuff Tia was posting. If you want to deny that stuff, please go back to your resident rabbit hole.  

It will be interesting to see what comes of the NFL Morality Police interviewing Watson's supposed victims. Will they believe them when two grand juries didn't? I have no doubts they will, just to make the PR look good.  I'm not going to say some stuff didn't happen, but plenty of his accusers aren't exactly angels either. To the tune of one of them trying to extort $30,000 out of Deshaun. Then you have their lawyer with ties to McNair representing them, going for the big cash settlement to make it all go away.   

EXACTLY...

38 minutes ago, nickers said:

Well two Grand Juries refused to indict him on anything... But I'm always a believer that where there's smoke.. There's a fire somewhere... it'll be interesting to see how the civil suits shake out... That said.. I still root for the team.. Not the asshole(s) wearing the jersey... Like I said... This goof has a LOT to prove to me before I can even think of buying in... This dude quit on his team... And tanked the Texans.. I mean hell..Jim Brown was a sleazeball..Kareem Hunt is no angel... This is what the world and the league is... full of Pedos, Sex Offenders and drug addicts..  Welcome to Soddam and Gommorah!

If they wouodve signed anyone but Watsom then you just watching a losing team with no chance in the AFC. Picks are now dang near meaningless with a gunner at QB

Watson quit on the Texans as much as Hopkins and JJ Watt did and to say he tanked them instead of Bill Obrien and their pos owner is just comical. 

The point is many Cleveland fans think they personally know famous,  wealthy athletes and you don't. That's why Cleveland fans always like guys like Couch, Manziel, McCoy, Baker....etc mediocre talented QBs.They personally like these guys...but It's not a social club...its professional sports. POS people have flooded sports since its inception. Nothing new

 It's on Cleveland fan to stop being so niave and personal

14 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Cap is a factor to be sure, but all you really want out of a backup is 1 or 2 wins as a fill-in.

Add that Brissett's size and tools are much closer to Deshon's, playbook won't change much when he steps in. Pretty much was the case with Baker and Case.

https://stathead.com/tiny/ZqnEB

Neither is my dream RPO QB, but both are a step in that direction, The direction the league is going.

yes sir