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32 minutes ago, Gorka said:

I'd make that 1.

LeBron had no desire to come here. None. He had a lot of animosity toward Cleveland growing up, and made it a point let people know he was from Akron, not Cleveland.

Him making the decision "to take his talents to Miami" was an easy one for him.

LeBron James On Growing Up In Akron: 'We Hated Cleveland' - SB Nation Cleveland

Him wearing Yankees caps to Indians games and growing up a Cowboy fan is telling as well.

LeBron's out-of-town loyalties rub some Cleveland fans wrong (espn.com)

 

But you're right about one thing, no one desires to play in Cleveland.  Players that come here say the right things and truly want to help this team win, but when things start to go bad they no longer give a shit because the attitude seems to be "hey, this is Cleveland, just pay me my money"

Whereas Pittsburgh hadn't had a losing in what, 30 years?  They end up 8-8 when they should be 3-13.  They overachieve, putting on that Black and Gold does that to them. They overachieve because they want no part in turning a winning franchise into a loser.

I'd bet that if you'd put an 8-8 Steeler team in Brown and Orange and send them to Cleveland they'd end up 3-13.

There is no other explanation I could think of as to why one has been so bad for so ridiculously long and another be good for so ridiculously long.

 

I disagree.....I'm from Akron and as kids we hated Cleveland like a big brother but I know almost personally he wanted to "Light up C-town like New York"...Decision to go to miami and even leave the 2nd time is because the Cavs owner is a moron but that's another discussion..

Yeah....It's just production and thus wins...all I care about. You can hate it here, hate the fans...hate me....just win

14 minutes ago, Dick Mellon said:

I hate the trade.

I'm very disappointed in giving up the picks and paying a guy who didn't want to play in CLE; paying him so much that he became willing to play where he didn't want to play. 

The Steelers would never pay $100's of millions to a serial sexual predator QB, but all jokes aside, this is a terrible trade.  At least Baker wanted to play for CLE.  When it comes time to flush Baker down the toilet, nobody is gonna wanna pick up his $19M contract because when a starter leaves CLE he becomes a backup.  

First CLE committed to the 5th year option with Baker, then decided to replace him with a guy who didn't play for a year and may be facing a suspension.

I watched HOU @ PIT and was genuinely unimpressed. Watson had zero rushing attempts and was sacked 4 times.  Expect the same when it CLE - PIT.

His record against the division is terrible.

I may disagree with all your points but I truly understand all your points.

I don't care if someone wants to play...I just want them to produce. Be honest...If you werent a fan and you were getting drafted would you want to come here? If Cleveland didn't have the 1st pick would Baker really have chosen us? The city that shares the state with OSU? Only 2 players in sports do I think ever wanted to play here...Kosar and Lebron.

The Texans organization was trash and had trash around Watson so much that Watt apologized to Watson before he himself left. Yet...he put up huge numbers. Think about all Mayfield ahs had around him....top line, top defense, top running game, Landy, OBJ.....yet...You know what stafford's reord was against winning squads?

I think the FO so the new normal...the last 2 Superbowl winner shave ready made SB teams like the Browns then huge upgrade at Q...Boom

10 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

As did JFF for me. But at least Von Miller is still signing huge multiyear contracts to try to help a third team win a SB. Quite an accomplishment for a 33 y.o. 2nd rounder.

The bigger problem with Ricky was he was a really nice guy....too nice and he didn't like football. He was just really good at it

1. Rather Watson was selling BS or not, He is better than Baker at QB and Bajer isn't taking a team to the SB

2. To mention the 2020 season for the Texans is just....ridiculous because it was a dumpster fire ( see: Why Watt left)the fact he still led the league in passing that year is surreal

37 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

I like that it signals to the league that Cleveland is a destination to be chosen by what is considered top level talent. 

I dislike that the top level talent is more than likely a sexual predator. 

That's why I said besides the allegations but you're right

46 minutes ago, ATOM said:

i look at it as the new normal for a top q.b steve

I don't think it's a bad deal..it's a new normal. We've no.1 picks every year....any Superbowls?

Gauranteed salary is if money is the only thing that moves him....if that was the case then he would've never gotten into that fight with the Texans who gave him at the time the biggest contract

10 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

So no problem with OBJ scoring in and receiving a SB ring huh?   LOL!😱

No more than Bernie Kosar or Earnest Byner...

5 minutes ago, darren15 said:

Brisket ..lol, I think your ribbing him ...remember it was Watson who wanted his pork pulled. 

Who doesn't???? Lol

2 minutes ago, darren15 said:

Roger makes decisions based on who the team is ...he has his faves, look at the amount of times the Ravens had games pushed back for Covid and the Browns were made to play.

I think that's true but we got help with that last year and the Ravens got screwed on the schedule last year....which was FANTASTIC 

40 minutes ago, Bob806 said:

Roth (Big Ben I'm assuming) got 6 games, reduced to 4. 

You know, Roger is so dam inconsistent with punishments, who knows what he'll do with Watson.

Exactly! Don't know if it will be less cuz he missed a season already or more because of the amount of the accusations 

56 minutes ago, lodilobo said:

I like Watson as a player....don't like him as a person. I hate that all his $230 million is guaranteed. What's his motivation for the next 5 years? I won't like it ( well, maybe I will), if Baker's new team goes deep in the playoffs and we still suck

I dont think money is really his main motivation or he would've never had a fight with the Texans.

I'm always of the mind if a player is gone...may he do well but not a bit of thought after that.

25 minutes ago, ballpeen said:

If you like not giving up players but don't like giving up picks, I suppose that means you just don't like the trade because i know of no other means to get the guy unless he was a free agent..  Just saying....

 

I mostly like the trade.  Three #1 picks seems high, but I see it as two #1 picks.  I see it as this years #1 is Watson.  No different than drafting any QB available in this years draft.  The next 2 are the premium for getting a top QB in the prime of his career.  Is 2 picks too high?  I don't know, top QB's in their prime never get traded.  So when I look at it like that, no, it isn't too much to pay.  

 

We also gave up a 3rd rounder next year.  We still have a comp 3rd rounder on the way next year, so we really aren't minus a 3rd round pick,  It just became later in the 3rd round.  We are bound to trade Baker.  I don't know how to value that. Could it be a 2nd rounder or a 5th rounder?  In order for us to maximize that pick, i would push to get that selection in next years draft.  Maybe make it some sort of conditional. Teams tend to value the pick they have in a month more than they do the pick they have next year , so i think we could get more for a next year pick.  We are also down a 1st rounder so gaining a pick next year could be important.  The following year we lack the 1st round and swap a 4th for a 5th.  I don't see the swap as losing a whole lot

I see where you're coming from. I like the trade...just not everything about it. I would've still done it.

Exactly...QB at this age and tier never gets traded. 

I agree totally 

5 hours ago, Axe said:

 

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Problem is he is probably better than Baker too... 😆🤣

3 hours ago, Gorka said:

Right on. Except that doesn't work for kids that look up to sports figures as heroes and role models.  We don't tell them its about winning at all costs.

Sounds like you lost some sleep last night.

Then people need parent correctly...Thats not on a athlete. ..We got Presidents and Supreme Court justices accused of sexual assaults. Aren't those the people we are supposed to have our kids look up to?

Not at all.....im happy af. Lol

3 hours ago, Gorka said:

Your frequent use of the word "hypocrite" is improper.  What you are babbling about is what you believe to be double standards.

If you bash Big Ben for his sexcapades but give Watson a pass, you are applying a double standard.

If you chastise Watson for molesting women while being a molester of women yourself, you are being a hypocrite.

 

And if you're on a sports board but posting regarding correct terminology then giving examples you might be a bored bitch...

Am I using "bored bitch" correctly? Should I use it in a  sentence for you?

1 hour ago, hoorta said:

Now that's bordering on a political no-no here... But you're right- Kraft soliciting prostitution (even on a tape that he got destroyed as inadmissible), and then Irsay consuming strictly  illegal substances...  No penalties if you're in the Owner's Club.  But then our own Jimmy Haslam didn't know about that scam when he was running Pilot\ Flying J either.  

1 hour ago, hoorta said:

Now that's bordering on a political no-no here... But you're right- Kraft soliciting prostitution (even on a tape that he got destroyed as inadmissible), and then Irsay consuming strictly  illegal substances...  No penalties if you're in the Owner's Club.  But then our own Jimmy Haslam didn't know about that scam when he was running Pilot\ Flying J either.  

Exactly.....I know...thats why I put both sides of the political spectrum.  My line is if this Watson thing is the line but aaaall the other things weren't?

And I saw a friend who is talking mess who supported Albert Belle after he ran over kids purposely 

1 hour ago, nickers said:

If he sits out 8 games ther'ell be no SB or any playoffs for that matter...

If

16 minutes ago, hoorta said:

LOL gotta scrimp and save anywhere we can, after Watson's $46 million kicks in... BTW, Say adios to Ward next year too...   

16 minutes ago, hoorta said:

LOL gotta scrimp and save anywhere we can, after Watson's $46 million kicks in... BTW, Say adios to Ward next year too...   

Not with the rise in the salary cap

5 hours ago, Comeonman said:

Watson was accused of putting his dick in someone’s hand who was unwilling to hold it. 
 

Roethlisberger was accused of putting his dick in someone’s vagina without their consent. 
 

Ray Lewis 

Ray Rice

Mike Vick

Joe Mixon

Crazy fuck from the Panthers Mod Edit:  Greg Hardy 

Kareem Hunt

Tyreek Hill 

Josh Gordon

A few hundred other people. 
 

we’re either going to keep watching the sport in spite of what all these idiots keep doing or not. If not, so be it. I understand. Im going to keep watching for now. 

Yup...shoot add the Patriots and Colts owner. Some of these people voted for Trump or Clinton and supported some Supreme Court Justices who were accused-the people we are supposed to look up to.  There is something to be said that a Grand Jury did not indict....it's a super low bar

2 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

The problem is all that money is fully guaranteed. You are also 100% correct on if the baggage is gone. However if the baggage were gone he may be a steeler. It's where he wanted to be based on several reports. I'm glad he's not at that cost. 

I don't care about the costs (not my money and he only gets 1 million next year)..I'm glad we didn't have to give up any players.

On 3/18/2022 at 9:43 AM, mohican said:

Is this Ghoolie?   I see he's been absent a few days at another Brown's forum....

No idea who that is...

Watson suspended 10games

1 hour ago, nickers said:

I guess Keenum wanted out too... How laughable can this organization get?

Browns are ranked as a Superbowl contender as of yesterday

22 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

We start the process now.

I hated the fact that we are in some prime years with guys like Chubb and Myles and we are rolling out Baker to get us 8 wins and essentially requiring the front office to assemble picks and start again with moving up in the draft to get a rookie QB.  

I concur...thats why the picks weren't too bad to me. 

We're any gonna turn into a franchise QB? If so..how many seasons would it take for that player to succeed in a loaded AFC?

1 hour ago, nickers said:

Yes and change his screen name to Mrs.Watson..

1. As many as I fu@## want

2. Your bitcazz don't have to read them

3. Mods..please change my screen name to THEIR PIMP.

Crybaby chumps...still scourned your boyfriend got kicked out of town...? Lol