Korsou Dawg

On 10/1/2022 at 12:18 AM, mjp28 said:

One other point maybe  just maybe the AFCN is not as good as we collectively thought that they were coming into the season. 

Bengals beat the 3-0 fins. Ratbirds up against the SB-favorite Bills. We will struggle mightily to get out of the division.  

4 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

Dang Jed allowed way too much pressure on that screen. It was setup perfectly otherwise 

Still sour we drafted him over Wirfs

Ward earning his money

1 minute ago, TypicalBrowns50 said:

Stefanski is over thinking stuff. He’s a very good play caller but he is hot and cold. Super inconsistent 

Stack the line, set up perfectly for the run, and then trow when you have next to no real receivers on the field. One wonders what goes on in his mind when he makes a call like that...

At least tie the game!

Fantastic throw and catch!

Jacoby "The Bull" 

JB to the house!

Going to be a long afternoon, isn't it?

Shame. Was looking like a nice opening drive

Reports are that Perrion Winfrey will see reps against Atlanta, with Taven Bryan out. Let's see what this rook can do. 

10 hours ago, Flugel said:

I meant about Suh - I think he's either all done or wanting to do up a Rob Gronkowski type of contract to rejoin his old team during the 2nd half of the season if they're looking playoff bound.   Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with your thinking at all. Before the draft - there were quite a few of us wanting to draft a DT or 2 that could help us.  

See that stuff in bold up top?  You gotta keep that quiet or Tia's gonna start charging us for his opinion.

 

 

I heard you the first time. My previous comment was more a clarification where I see the Browns currently, which is markedly different compared to the end of the off-season. I was a 'true believer' at that stage, thinking the addition of DW made us an immediate SB contender. I even saw our D-line as a strength, with the most talented Edge in Myles, and probably the best running mate in Clowney. Winfrey seemed an athletic specimen, which I had high hopes for.  

Through immaculate mental conception (wink, wink), I have come to the conclusion that both quality and depth at DT. Winfrey seems stuck in the naughty bin, and we are having big trouble stopping the run, and generating any kind of pass rush. This is especially as the game progresses, and our D-line gets gassed. 

I am also mightily unimpressed with our secondary play, which I rated as top-notch before the season started. Maybe Ward is not as elite as his new contract values him, nor Delpit as his draft round. And the coaching went from giving up massive plays on busted coverages multiple times in consecutive games, to some sort of prevent package that allows anything and everything, but getting beat over the top. That sees like an over-reaction, rather than a real improvement. 

Long story short: maybe the talent is not quite what I thought it was, especially on the defensive side. And the defensive en ST coaching does not seem anywhere near play-off worthy. Even if DW does come back firing on all cylinders immediately, which is doubtful, we would be lucky to get out of the division IMO.

1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:

Yeah no doubt he was driving the speed limit with his hands at the 10 and two position. Come on man.

WSS

Translation from Steve's brain: "He must have been up to no good. He was driving around with a woman, I tell you. A WOMAN!"

FFS

56 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

did you expect more from this secondary?

Affirmative!

11 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Well that sucks, he never seemed like the kind of player that had an asshole streak in him.

Maybe he's channeling Kellen Winslow Jr?

WSS

Asshole? You drive a 911 on a slippery road like that without crashing. Should he have known better? Preferably so, but ignorance is not a crime.

Stay safe @gumby73 and other dawgs!

Recruit for a better interior VS hold to account for multiple games of unacceptable blown coverages and generally underwhelming secondary play (i.e. fire Woods)...

Can't we just do both? 

11 hours ago, Flugel said:

Nothing wrong with your ambition at all KD!   I live in the Tampa area and the word is Suh doesn't want to play football any more unless he either gets really overpaid or he's guaranteed to play on a team that goes very deep into the post season. 

Not sure whether to call it ambition, or fear. Without significant improvements to our D, I do not even see us getting out of the division at this stage. That will certainly have to come mostly from improved performance of existing players, but all Tia's preaching about shoring up the middle has me converted.

2 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Farm boy from Lexington too.  

 

Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts.    I'm evening seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE.    The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity.   Then you saw a mix last year.   This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.

The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing?   I suspect it's for several different reasons.  But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates these season look across the league.  Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.    

 All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.  

Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL.    The guys of my eye the last few years have been...

Gregg Gaines  4th round

Poona Ford   UDFA

Alim McNeil  3rd round

Bravvion Roy  7th round

 

 But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not bring in SOME type of talent every year.  What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal.   And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.

With Winfrey apparently deemed unworthy to suit up, and seeing our D-line struggle against Pitsburg, do we see Suh becoming an option for a one year mercenary deal? Especially if we are in a position to reach the play-offs towards the end of the season. 

@tiamat63has me convinced we need to use 2nd rounder to draft the best DT available, or trade for one. I would also say that is unlikely, as that doesn't fit into the algorithms the Ivy leaguers use. They just seem to rate edges and corners higher. 

1 hour ago, Kvoethe said:

If he stayed in bounds!!

"Amari Cooper became the first Browns receiver since Josh Gordon in 2013 with back-to-back 100-yard games."

We gave up only a 5th and a swap of 6ths for the best WR we have had in a decade. Other teams gave up 1sts to get their target man. Best value trade of the past off-season, and it is not even close!

15 hours ago, D Bone said:

Yep, dude's been solid and has been a joy to watch. He's a big, tough man too. 

Between our O-line and JB's size, the QB sneak has become a weapon for us. Very useful!

The offense isn't even a concern. The defense on the other hand...

Pitsburg has one of the worst O-lines in football, but managed to neutralize our pass rush for 99% of the game. And after rightfully being criticized for the plays they gave up the first two games, our secondary now only focussed on preventing getting beat over the top.

If this doesn't improve, better teams and QBs are going to have a field day against us. 

@tiamat63 Brissett may not be an elite talent, but his performance has been ranging from good enough to excellent so far. Also seems he is improving each week, as he builds a rapport with his receivers. Cooper had his first 100-yard game since 2016 yesterday. Njoku played as well as I remember seeing him. If JB keeps this up, it's going to be damn hard to bench him for Watson when his suspension is over.  

Keep the good stuff coming, thanks!