ballpeen

Draft Buzz has WR Ricky Pearsall at#54, so I will go with him even though Berry doesn't draft players of his type very often.

Ricky is a good player.

10 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Hypothetically @ballpeen, lets say a spot in downtown could be found to build a dome...

Would you prefer it to stay somewhere downtown, or would you want it out in Brookpark? 

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.  Both have positives and negatives.

17 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

I'm sure the majority of people who come to Browns games are from outside the city, there's less than 400,000 people in Cleveland proper, but over 2+ mill in the metro area. 

I really, REALLY think the Haslams want a dome in Brookpark, so are they just trying to see if the city blows their doors off with a ton of money to stay on the lakefront? This should be a very interesting year, I'm sure by this time next year we will have a good idea where the Browns will be playing in the future. 

I think it could be sooner than that.  Building a dome takes over two years.  I am thinking by July things will be settled and shovels in the ground by August.  

Another factor to consider is a remodel on the lake to the extent required would require year-round construction.  The team has no suitable place to play for a year or two.  I don't think Columbus is a viable option, and forget about any stadium near Cleveland.  The stadium in Canton probably can't even meet the needs of season ticket holders.  My guess is the Browns season ticket holder number is around 40,000.  Open ticket sales are fairly limited.  Maybe 20-30,000 per game.  Again, just a guess.

The Haslams don't want that, and the NFL doesn't want that.

On 4/7/2024 at 2:58 PM, syd said:

good who care's ? just get it done

Something is going to happen.  People can bash Haslam, but he is a man of action.  He isn't going to wait while the Cleveland City Council dicks around.  The last time they dicked around long enough to help push the team to Baltimore.

The difference this time in Model isn't the owner who ran to the money.  Haslam has the money to build the thing himself if it come to that.

21 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

A city that used to be the sixth biggest in the U.S. that now has less than 400,000 residents has no where downtown they could build a football stadium? 

Come on meow. 

And yes, I didn't think Haslam would literally bus tables at a TGIFriday's next to the stadium or check people into a Motel 6. 

Ok....fair enough on the Haslam comment.  I really wasn't aiming the comment like you really thought that.

As for space, I am talking open space.    The city could evoke eminent domain laws, but then you would have to clear out blocks of building.  Some in use, some not.  Like I said earlier, it's not popular when the government starts kicking people and business out of their homes.

I wonder how many people who live in Cleveland actually go to games?  My thinking is Haslam and company have studied that question and the results say the most fans come from the west and south. 

7 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

My point is the Bears bought a ton of land outside of the city proper, like the Haslams did, only to decide that the grass wasn't greener outside of Chicago.

The reason the Haslams want to get outside of downtown is that in Brookpark they could own EVERYTHING that makes money via the Browns GameDay experience. You want to park? Park at a Haslam-owned parking lot. Want to eat? Eat at a Haslam-owned restaurant, etc...

Like I said, they want the space, and Cleveland doesn't have it.

Just to clarify a point I see going around, at least as I see it.  The parking, I mostly agree.  Haslam would have that, more than likely.  As for the hotels and restaurants, I doubt Haslam wants to get in to the restaurant or hotel business.  He would land lease a parcel to say Marriott...or Marriott franchisee. They would actually run the business and build the buildings. Haslam wants to be in the land business.  He will just rent the lots or spaces to various companies on say a 10-20 year lease.

At least that is how I would do it.  Less headaches and liabilities. He would still control what type of business would be on location.  I doubt he would approve plans to stick a 150 room Days Inn next to the stadium.

8 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Kind of an interesting parallel is what is going on with the Bears...

They bought a ton of acres in the suburbs (a former horse track?) and it looked like they were all set to move out of the city limits of Chicago, only to apparently scrap that idea and are now talking with Chicago about a new lakefront dome stadium. 

The difference is Chicago looks to have ample space on their lakefront.  Just a quick look at google maps show several "parks" on the south side that don't look very parkish to me.  All look more like wasteland that look like they were once industrial sites.  Maybe the term park is for proposed industrial park?  Some show climbing walls.  Nothing you couldn't erase.  All the mentioned are inside the city limits.

I think space is the problem the city has.  Without reclamation of private property, which it could do, be it very unpopular, finding a parcel large enough to fit what the Haslams want will be very challenging.

On 4/5/2024 at 7:36 PM, Dutch Oven said:

Honestly, I think that spot would work better for the Browns than the Cavs because you are only going 8 or 9 times a year.

Then again, how was getting in/out of the Coliseum? There would be three times as many people going to Browns games.

Good point on the number of games.  It's one thing to hold season tickets to 8-9 gabe v 42 or whatever it is for basketball.

As for infrastructure, everybody knows how that worked before when Maletti moved out there.  The state and county would have to step up and improve things.  It's not like it couldn't be done.

But, I do think the Haslams want to be closer to city center.  Brookpark is where it is going.  It's the only spot that checks all the boxes.  Having a option on the property requires earnest money  I have no idea what that may have entailed, but it is probably in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  I doubt he would have put that up and risked to lose if he wasn't pretty damn sure he was going to purchase the property and pull the plug on the new stadium station.

15 hours ago, Flugel said:

There was small school in the Greater Rochester Area called Caledonia Mumford that ranked #1 in the State.  In fact, they ranked #1 in the state frequently in the 80s and 90s if memory serves me right.  Roland Poles, the current GM of the Bears played there - as did his older brothers Junior and Ronnie.  Junior went to BC.  Ronnie or Roland or both played at Tennessee.  

Anyway, that team used to lay the football down the long way on the white line; and the big huge tackle would kick freakin line drives at the 5 guys on the front line of the return team (usually all linemen shittin their pants). You wouldn't believe the chaos that generated for opposing teams.  It was brilliant!

LOL...I can see that smashed kick, somewhat knuckling at them or spinning horizontally.

On 3/21/2024 at 7:35 PM, gumby73 said:

All the players that are pending free agents, after the 2024 season have been removed from this chart. This gives us a indication of position rooms where they have the most need to draft someone and prepare for the future.

The best teams in the NFL will draft a year in advance so they aren't relying on a rookie to be a role player, give them a year in the system to develop.

1.) Add Jerry Jeudy to WR's

2.) All other players have expiring contracts or on 1 year expiring contracts after 2024. Except listed

3.) Key contracts would fall on Chubb/ Cooper/ Newsome/ Wills & JOK

 Browns could Draft BPA in many positions 

 

I agree.  I think we will be drafting more for next year than this year.  Whoever we draft probably isn't playing a whole lot but might in 2025.

Berry isn't addressing needs this year with drafted or signed rookies.  He fills them with vets on 1-2 year deals.  He seems to be drafting for future needs giving the rooks a year to learn  the NFL and team system.

We are finally at a point where it should be.  If you are expecting a rookie to immediately fill a key role you are just gambling.

That isn't a healthy place to be.

I just kick it through the endzone and start at the 30....Maybe early in the season, or pre season you see how things work and see where it averages but doing that prevents a return TD or long return..  Those usually kill you in a game.

11 hours ago, syd said:

sorry  man. But I hate that show and that fat fuck  can  eat  a bullet,,,eeerrr i mean  a bowl of oatmeal

In fairness, is fat bashing any different than gay bashing or racial bashing?

Just saying....??

Kind of what I was getting at with all the subjective calls the refs have to make in a split second.  What's considered a blow to the head by one ref is considered  incidental contact by another.  I am no fan of refs but they are put in a bad position by the rules committee.  As Flugs pointed out, players can't always hit, lift, and drive  to make the perfect tackle.

Other than a few positions, we could draft anybody.  I think it will simply boil down to who we have rated as the BPA.  At that point in the draft you start to have guys with relatively equal grades.  In that case, positional impact would probably be the deciding factor.

The caveat is positional impact might not be for this season. Next years roster might have some impact of who we might draft.  As an example, we don't need a guard this year, but we might next year.

On 3/26/2024 at 11:25 AM, nickers said:

This is not gonna end well..In fact.. I see it being reversed by mid season...

Rules don't change mid season.  If anything it just won't be called.  I hope it isn't called on everything.  If you see the defender rolling up on the legs of a player, sure, call it.  Kind of the same deal why they now call horsecollars.  Players can get hurt, but I can see refs having to make all these subjective calls getting way out of hand.

I'd rather see it a non penalty foul and make it a fineable foul.

Just a thought...with the new kick off rules, I wonder if we keep both kickers?  York for kickoffs and Hopkins for place kicks.  Maybe York for the bomb kicks.  That way Hopkins hammy only has to jog on to the field, make a kick, then jog off.

No doubt an out in left field thought, but not impossible IMO.  There have been a few seasons in the past where we had 2 kickers active on gamedays.  Groza and Cockroft...Cox and somebody else who I can't remember....maybe Bahr

18 hours ago, Flugel said:

When you factor in the new rule changes to the kickoffs that will significantly increase the number of kickoff returns in all likelihood - perfect timing to add a Pro Bowl STs guy that's good at covering punts/kickoffs.

 

Yep.  Kickoffs could change a great deal.  In the past speed on coverage units was important.  Now, maybe not as much.  With less ground to cover, it may look more like a defensive team playing against a run play.  We might see more bulk on the field.  These units could see some guards and centers on the return team to set up blocking.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

A really nice addition to the unit and team.

12 hours ago, syd said:

maybe this is still going on ?

Dorian Thompson-Robinson Injury Update: Latest on Browns …

profootballnetwork.com

I don't know.  Seems we would have had some indication.  I really didn't pay any attention, but did DTR dress after that?  We wouldn't have had him dress and on the bench if he had a lingering concussion.

On 3/19/2024 at 7:55 PM, Vagitron said:

Outside of the albatross contract the Watson situation is interesting. If they expect him to be ready why sign Winston, Huntley and still have DTR in the wings? That's a crowded room. Browns getting ready to give Watson the Wilson treatment? 

I doubt it, for this season at least.  Next year could be different.

I think the QB's are two fold.

1.  They are going to want to manage throws by Winston in camps.  Having the extra QB allows for that.

2. The back-up and 3rd QB are unsettled.  Let the 3 settle that in camp on who's 2 and 3 with the odd man out cut or possibly traded.  I don't think DTR is as entrenched as some people think.

On 3/28/2024 at 9:45 PM, MLD Woody said:

No, not the flats. Just south of downtown. Below rocker mortgage and progressive 

I thought of that property, but there are still ingress and egress issues.  It also doesn't have enough room to do some of the things Haslam wants.

The only logical answer is to go dome in Brookpark.

There are sentimental reasons to stay downtown, but sentimental reason usually makes for poor business decisions.  There are multiple reasons why the move should be made over staying put and going with the band-aide approach.

On 3/30/2024 at 10:42 PM, Orion said:

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2024/3/30/24116347/browns-helmet-rumchanges-2024

Rumored to be bringing back the white facemask and the gloss finish.    

I approve of both (though if I was a player I'd probably prefer the brown facemask).  Now if they can just tone down that day-glo orange a bit and we'll be back to normal again....ie  before the Haslems came along and started meddling with the damned thing.  

The have switched back to what the helmet was.

I like it.  Entertaining to watch and a good idea to help the players with the ability to showcase.

On 3/26/2024 at 7:04 PM, syd said:

not necessarily. I knew these one folks that got fucked over when a new bridge went in

Maybe so.  When eminent domain laws are invoked, the property owner is paid just compensation.  The owner might not feel it is just, but they are paid the market valuation of the property.

Where some people are impacted is when their home is just outside the footprint of the bridge and buffer zone around such project.  Nobody wants to see a big bridge while sitting on the porch.