calfoxwc Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Either shannaflimflam didn't KNOW it.... or,,, he blabbed it out of spite. How, who the idiot was that did the texting, needs to go. Farmer rocks, and he will make the necessary changes. That isn't disfunction, it's excellent problem solving. Any time you are dealing with a bunch of people... you're going to have problems now and then. Ask any church, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 So who is in the "President's Organization" anyway and if that was supposed to stay out of running the team, how were they allowed to cross that line? That would be all the folks behind the scenes that make the place work... Sales, Logistics, Purchasing, Accounting, etc. All the support staff functions that any business would need, the "everything else" folks. Most visible would be the hosts of the "highlight" videos posted every week. Most important for the team we field would be the Salary Cap Czar. As for crossing the line... unless it went on for weeks, "allowed" is probably not the right term. Maybe more like "enabled" by virtue of a company cell phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Still I don't really get someone flipping out over it. Beep beep hey its a text message from the distributor that brings the beer... He says we should run a sweep... Ah ok, tell him to get fucked. And turn off that damned phone. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 When you need a reason, Steve, even a weak one is better than none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yeah and it reinforce is the other stories about him being a bitch any pain in the ass. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 So how does one tailor an Offense around a midget who can't throw, can't see over the line, can't read a Defense and can't memorize a playbook? For some losers, like Half Pint, it's just plain impossible. Punt on 3rd and play defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Just to make the message reverberate to the new or jaded Browns fans: this current regime is not dysfunctional. 15 years prior, dysfunction happened...and it's damn hard to do damage control on that. Every Browns fan that's been through it all has to be impressed by the improvements made so far, in just one year. So our OC is leaving in search of a HC gig...so what. Another day in the NFL offseason. Offense was the biggest issue this year so I'm glad to see problem-Kyle leave. Pettine will get someone in here that he wants to work with and wants to be here. Bingo....good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Once again, back to the thread: Dysfunction suggests (and It could be way off base) that there is a lack of clear roles & responsibilities and/or a difference of opinion on important matters or philosophies. That engenders a lack of trust, the splitting of the team into different fractions or allegiances, internal conflict, backstabbing etc. if that's not happening, then McK had no business using the word or quoting some source that used that word. That would be irresponsible reporting. On the other, if that is the case, then I'll be disappointed because I really agree with Zombo, the culture (minus our first round draft choices and JG) was really starting to change for the better. Well according to our pals on the other board- ahem- there were clear roles and boundaries for Shanny. He was constantly trying to overstep them and get "his" players in, and his way- when Farmer and Pettine thought otherwise. Starting with Kirk Cousins. So when he didn't get his way often enough, it was "I'm picking up my football and going home." Low-Gains just plain sucked- good thing to post on your resume- getting fired two years running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Bingo....good post! Thanks Mud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Shanahan is so bad other teams want him as a head coach, how many teams clamoring for Manziel? Wilbon hit the nail on the head yesterday, this organization is a joke. Speculation aside the truth is simple this team was 7-9, last in the division and once again not in the playoffs. The 2015 season looks to be one where the most talented skill position player is on his way out, there is another "QB" competition between bums and coaches leaving/fired. Same old shit different day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 By the way it seems the Browns may be in trouble for use of phones for texting during the game... Really? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/09/browns-apparently-violated-electronic-devices-rule/ Yep...but this isn't same ol Browns. Since we were 7-6 the Browns have: Sat a 7-6 healthy starter in the midst of playoff hunt against a team u dominated 1 short month prior Started a rookie would wasn't ready to throw passes at a child's birthday party Lost an OC before he even h an interview Fired a qb coach after one year. (Scapegoat) Letting our qb walk that will probably be top FA in off season. And being investigated by the nfl for something that probably cost us any chance of getting OC back. LOsing 5 outta last 6 is not even that big of a deal. The Brown's balls shrunk up to the media and fan Johnny suck off and are paying dearly for it. A lot of u are saying this is just another day in nfl football.....lol.....no this another day in Cleveland browns universe. Half way through the season this team took a very large step forward but in the second half took an even larger step backwards and not even to the off season and they've taken yet another huge step backwards. They are worse off today then when the season started. And that's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Comments made this week by Shannie really has me in the dumps about the Browns. Losing all those games at the end of the season coupled with what we've heard since about the rookies and the texts and QB issues, and now Front Office are at odds with Coaches. My goodness! Look I'm not a big fan of Shannie and thought he was just an average OC. I won't cry if he leaves. But I thought this new group of owner/Front Office and Coaches were the face of a new franchise and attitude. It kills me to know that they're not a cohesive team looking to build a winning organization. Thoughts? it all starts at the top...guess who is at the top....halshit....i have to laugh at some of the threads about oh oh oh, we should sign this guy and that guy...you know what, these folks need to figure out what is going on here...you are right, this is a piece of shit organization....pti host mike wilbon said the same thing...the cleveland browns organization is a stinking rotting organization..those were his words..not only him...he said jimmy halshit didn't even want pettine as the hc. 680 the fan down here in atlanta.. quote the browns are an organization that cannot get anything right...geee ya think..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 it all starts at the top...guess who is at the top....halshit....i have to laugh at some of the threads about oh oh oh, we should sign this guy and that guy...you know what, these folks need to figure out what is going on here...you are right, this is a piece of shit organization....pti host mike wilbon said the same thing...the cleveland browns organization is a stinking rotting organization..those were his words..not only him...he said jimmy halshit didn't even want pettine as the hc. 680 the fan down here in atlanta.. quote the browns are an organization that cannot get anything right...geee ya think..... Don't make sense around here. This board can be like Bill Maher's "from inside the bubble" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Comments made this week by Shannie really has me in the dumps about the Browns. Losing all those games at the end of the season coupled with what we've heard since about the rookies and the texts and QB issues, and now Front Office are at odds with Coaches. My goodness! Look I'm not a big fan of Shannie and thought he was just an average OC. I won't cry if he leaves. But I thought this new group of owner/Front Office and Coaches were the face of a new franchise and attitude. It kills me to know that they're not a cohesive team looking to build a winning organization. Thoughts? Yep just like I've stated before. Browns fans get this sense of entitlement when we see a little bit of success. "He is just an average OC" "I won't cry if he leaves" WOWWWWW Since when are the Brown's to good for average? Shanahan is one of the up and comers in the nfl. Right now there are 2teams he'd never work for again. Us and skins. This is alarmingto say the least. This average Joe produced 325 yards per game. He had an AVERAGE nfl oline at best. Hoyer as his qb. Two rookie rbs. And no one wr tall enough to ride the top thrill dragster at cedar point. My god Washington fires his dad and him and he's talking more shit about the Brown's on a "mutual parting of ways?" This is embarrassing. Brand new front office and we got a hot prospect coach walking away saying fuck those guys. And I believe it. Y would he committe career suicide. I like pettinne a lot but his body language tells me "I was a dead man walking the minute I signed my contract. I'll bet any money he doesn't see yr 3 of his ....lol....5yr contract. And the Brown's deserve to pay the WHOLE FUCKING thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yep just like I've stated before. Browns fans get this sense of entitlement when we see a little bit of success. "He is just an average OC" "I won't cry if he leaves" WOWWWWW Since when are the Brown's to good for average? Shanahan is one of the up and comers in the nfl. Right now there are 2teams he'd never work for again. Us and skins. This is alarmingto say the least. This average Joe produced 325 yards per game. He had an AVERAGE nfl oline at best. Hoyer as his qb. Two rookie rbs. And no one wr tall enough to ride the top thrill dragster at cedar point. My god Washington fires his dad and him and he's talking more shit about the Brown's on a "mutual parting of ways?" This is embarrassing. Brand new front office and we got a hot prospect coach walking away saying fuck those guys. And I believe it. Y would he committe career suicide. I like pettinne a lot but his body language tells me "I was a dead man walking the minute I signed my contract. I'll bet any money he doesn't see yr 3 of his ....lol....5yr contract. And the Brown's deserve to pay the WHOLE FUCKING thing As long as the Browns use the 4th pick in the 2016 draft on Cardale Jones everything will be all good in Browns Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 you guys must be the life of the party....at the water cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 As long as the Browns use the 4th pick in the 2016 draft on Cardale Jones everything will be all good in Browns Nation And u wonder why no woman will let u stick ur cock in her?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 And u wonder why no woman will let u stick ur cock in her?? That was sarcasm, we actually agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Last I saw the ownership hasn't changed. um....it just did.... Spoken like a true "johnny come lately" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Shananana did not have an "average" OL -- the Browns were behind only Dallas in rushing before Mack went down. Rather, he had an extraordinarily talented OL and put up barely average stats. The problem, if anything, is that the Browns are not aggressively pursuing the legitimately good OC such as Koetter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Shananana did not have an "average" OL -- the Browns were behind only Dallas in rushing before Mack went down. Rather, he had an extraordinarily talented OL and put up barely average stats. The problem, if anything, is that the Browns are not aggressively pursuing the legitimately good OC such as Koetter.M Mack only played 5 games, not quite a huge season sample size. Why would a "legitimately good" OC want to come to Cleveland? I'm not trying to be a jerk but we have no QB, if Gordon leaves no #1 WR, Chud & Co. fired after 1 season, last OC gone after 1 season, a meddling back office that pushes their agenda, 7-9 team that was last in the division, haven had a winning season since 2007. If I were highly qualified I don't know how you'd sell me unless I was told if i turned the offense around they'd fire Pettine and give me his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Mack only played 5 games, not quite a huge season sample size. Why would a "legitimately good" OC want to come to Cleveland? I'm not trying to be a jerk but we have no QB, if Gordon leaves no #1 WR, Chud & Co. fired after 1 season, last OC gone after 1 season, a meddling back office that pushes their agenda, 7-9 team that was last in the division, haven had a winning season since 2007. If I were highly qualified I don't know how you'd sell me unless I was told if i turned the offense around they'd fire Pettine and give me his job. Well, your points about a bad team, bad history are valid. But there's no way the Browns are going to bring in a young hot shot with HC aspirations this time. Haslam and Farmer have been preaching stability. Don't forget Pettine was hired late in the process, and the choices for a top OC were pretty limited. If you listened to the rumors, Mike didn't even want Shanahan. Look for Cleveland to bring in a lifer OC with no upwardly mobile aspirations. Like Trestman. As far as bringing in a top guy, Haslam has shown he's not afraid to spend money. Don't forget Norv Turner, who's considered one of the best in the business as an OC stopped by in Cleveland for a cup of coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 You are one of the few guys that get it. Dysfunction starts at the top. Last I saw the ownership hasn't changed. So are you saying the Cowboys have never been dysfunctional or that they still are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Why would a "legitimately good" OC want to come to Cleveland? ok, so you're saying the browns can ONLY hire a bum as OC? no 'legitimate' OC will want to come here? i say you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 ok, so you're saying the browns can ONLY hire a bum as OC? no 'legitimate' OC will want to come here? i say you're wrong. No I just wonder what has to be promised to get someone worthwhile an innovative. As of right now with Manziel and Shaw you have to run a gimmick scheme. Sounds like right now we are looking at re-treads like Trestman and there is a reason why they'd be available with the six or so vacancies, no one wants them. I like Pettine but we didn't win the "Pettine Sweepstakes" the music stopped and he was left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Browns Theme Song Contest. My entry.----------"Send in the Clowns" Tears of a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yep just like I've stated before. Browns fans get this sense of entitlement when we see a little bit of success. "He is just an average OC" "I won't cry if he leaves" WOWWWWW Since when are the Brown's to good for average? Shanahan is one of the up and comers in the nfl. Right now there are 2teams he'd never work for again. Us and skins. This is alarmingto say the least. This average Joe produced 325 yards per game. He had an AVERAGE nfl oline at best. Hoyer as his qb. Two rookie rbs. And no one wr tall enough to ride the top thrill dragster at cedar point. My god Washington fires his dad and him and he's talking more shit about the Brown's on a "mutual parting of ways?" This is embarrassing. Brand new front office and we got a hot prospect coach walking away saying fuck those guys. And I believe it. Y would he committe career suicide. I like pettinne a lot but his body language tells me "I was a dead man walking the minute I signed my contract. I'll bet any money he doesn't see yr 3 of his ....lol....5yr contract. And the Brown's deserve to pay the WHOLE FUCKING thing I don't agree with your assessment of Shanahan or the talent of the Offence he coached. Once teams figured out his system, production dropped off. I'm not saying he was bad, I just expected a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Tears of a clown. I'll go with a song I like, Down In Hole Alice in Chains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 No I just wonder what has to be promised to get someone worthwhile an innovative. As of right now with Manziel and Shaw you have to run a gimmick scheme. Sounds like right now we are looking at re-treads like Trestman and there is a reason why they'd be available with the six or so vacancies, no one wants them. I like Pettine but we didn't win the "Pettine Sweepstakes" the music stopped and he was left. Excepting that we are not looking for a HC... That Trestman did not make it in Chicago as an HC in no way an indication of his worth as an OC. As for Pet... there were still options available at the time we hired him, e.g., Seattle's DC Quinn, but Pet impressed our staff enough that they decided that Quinn could not be worth the added wait for the SB to be played. I like Pet as well and while it may not have been a "sweepstakes", I feel like we won when he was hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Excepting that we are not looking for a HC... That Trestman did not make it in Chicago as an HC in no way an indication of his worth as an OC. As for Pet... there were still options available at the time we hired him, e.g., Seattle's DC Quinn, but Pet impressed our staff enough that they decided that Quinn could not be worth the added wait for the SB to be played. I like Pet as well and while it may not have been a "sweepstakes", I feel like we won when he was hired. The problem with the OC search is most of the "good" candidates, or even viable ones, will be filled with the HC hirings. All indications are Roman/Trestman will follow Ryan to Buffalo, not sure if Marrone will bring Hackett, Falcons etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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