The Gipper Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 14 hours ago, Orion said: Get well Joe. We're about to find out just how valuable 'fatass' Joe Thomas is. Kessler having to run for his life much of the time. Of course, part of the problem was that Shmucking Hue kept running play action passes that take time....and without Joe the protection was just not there to allow those plays to develop. Hue failed to adjust to the situation.....as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 hours ago, hoorta said: Can Bito slide over to LT? I heard some discussion of that possibility in the past..... Probably from me... at least I now I've said he was our best option in the past. Now I think that ship has sailed. No longer seeing the movement I saw in Bito the rookie. 3 hours ago, jiggins7919 said: Honestly had tears in my eyes. Definitely got a lil misty-eyed myself, plus nauseous... The hole this leaves is not only on the field. Locker room leadership is just not the same when you don't cross the sideline suited up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Let's put this into proper perspective. There is no doubt about it, Joe Thomas was a star at his position. Clearly his replacement was an open floodgate for the Titans overtime pass rush. That said, I'll make my observations. 1) Many of you love Hue and the FO. You go on at length about managing assets, building for the future, and other such euphemisms. Yet here we have an example where Thomas's "youthful, building-for-the-future replacement was a total disaster. Now, if all of this building for the future rah-rah-rah stuff was true, and if as you say the FO is the first to finally recognize how important the OL is, AND............... we have the highest paid OL in the NFL..............exactly how the hell is it that this replacement could be so horrible? Seriously, that is a lot of contradiction for you guys who were chanting this managing assets mantra. 2) Regardless of how good Joe Thomas was or is, he did not change the fortunes of the Browns in any real measurable way. Get angry if you want, project how much worse it would be if we didn't have him, however, in terms of wins and losses, in terms of changing the destiny of the Browns, Joe Thomas ranks very, very low when compared to the impact that other #1 draft picks have made. In all honesty, we lose with him, we lose without him. Is your argument that we lose more respectably with him? 3) Clearly a LT is important, However, many teams have very decent LTs and don't waste a #1 pick to get them. In fact, the better teams seem to have no issue finding 2 or 3 guys that can play decently at that position. If the Browns rush to the high draft rounds in an effort to replace him, they are nuts. How in the name of God can you have the highest paid OL in the NFL and not have a serviceable back-up LT? Is Joe Thomas the greatest LT of the last decade or so? Sure, yeah, I will take a cup of that. Absolutely. However, the big story in his loss seems to be the Browns total lack of vision and preparation for backing up that important position. Have you guys ever read the book "Who Moved My Cheese?" This team is an unbelievable and sad mess. I don't think that there is sufficient wisdom, insight and intelligence to save this organization from having its cheese moved. It really is sad about Joe, but more sad that the Browns were and are so unprepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Ur right ghoolie, about the browns lack of depth at that position. But ur also historically wrong about the importance of that position. This irganization squandered the carreer of one of the best LT's ever. They couldn't find a decent signal caller and offense in general to put behind him. But now our qb problems become even murkier. Now we have to find/groom a young qb who's now gonna get Sock dipped in him from the blindside on every down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Ur right ghoolie, about the browns lack of depth at that position. But ur also historically wrong about the importance of that position. This irganization squandered the carreer of one of the best LT's ever. They couldn't find a decent signal caller and offense in general to put behind him. But now our qb problems become even murkier. Now we have to find/groom a young qb who's now gonna get Sock dipped in him from the blindside on every down. Whoa buddy, I NEVER said the OL was not important, and I never minimized the key role of LT. All I ever said was that good OL are not that hard to come by. Certainly they can be had a lot lower than the first round in the draft. Pittsburgh and the Patriots both won SBs with a makeshift OL put together at the last minute. OL get hurt a lot, It is the nature of the beast. Only in Cleveland are OL so hard to find. Why don't other teams spend years fixing their OL? How come other teams can bring guys in and out and still win titles? Joe Thomas is a great LT, the best, absolutely. But irreplaceable? No, not at all. The only reason the Browns did not have an acceptable replacement for Joe is because the FO blows, and Hue is a useless HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Man this sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 what a legend-such a bummer to see it end like this. I'm about 90% positive this will signal the end of his career in Cleveland too, that's often how these things go. Talk about a guy who I hope Haslam understands to bring back into the organization when he hangs them up though. Joe has been the anchor of an otherwise sinking ship and deserves a shot to play with a winner. I'm going to hate to see him go, but if he got one year with the Pats or someone similar I'd be rooting for him all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Any official word on what the injury is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, jrb12711 said: I'm about 90% positive this will signal the end of his career in Cleveland too, I'll take some of that bet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: I'll take some of that bet... Eh, I could be wrong but the formula of aging vet + major injury =release or otherwise new team is pretty common in the NFL. From Peyton Manning on down it's just how it goes. Especially with this FO, I could easily see them trading away JT for a mid-round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 via rotoworld - Browns LT Joe Thomas (torn triceps, injured reserve) will undergo surgery on Tuesday, and be sidelined 6-9 months. Speaking Monday, coach Hue Jackson said he was hopeful Thomas would return for 2018. Thomas is due $8.8 million in the final year of his contract. For his part, Thomas wasn't ready to think that far ahead. "Am I done playing?," Thomas asked rhetorically. "I don’t know. I think that’s a decision that’s best talked about in the offseason." Thomas turns 33 in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 7 hours ago, jrb12711 said: I hope Haslam understands to bring(JT) back into the organization (in any capacity) when he hangs them up. FIFY^^^OL coach Bob Wylie has not fixed a thing but lighten up Jimmy's wallet..imo, JT should get the CTE testing done while he's down. My thought always was JT only wanted to honor his contract than hang them up after his 2018 season..maybe father time just took that away him? Joe's a huge family guy. Am just not seeing Joe disrupting his family with a relocation..(just not yet) Giving him more of a reason to stay should be all The Lands hopes.. Thanks for the update Stillmotion..If we all know Joe.. if he's walking, he's wanting to load that Team plane to London..Go get'em JT & Good Luck..#10,363snaps@73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Jt should immediately transition to o line coach. Failure to get that done would be a huge black mark on this FO in my estimation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 52 minutes ago, gumby73 said: FIFY^^^OL coach Bob Wylie has not fixed a thing but lighten up Jimmy's wallet..imo, JT should get the CTE testing done while he's down. My thought always was JT only wanted to honor his contract than hang them up after his 2018 season..maybe father time just took that away him? Joe's a huge family guy. Am just not seeing Joe disrupting his family with a relocation..(just not yet) Giving him more of a reason to stay should be all The Lands hopes.. Thanks for the update Stillmotion..If we all know Joe.. if he's walking, he's wanting to load that Team plane to London..Go get'em JT & Good Luck.. To clarify a bit, honestly what I think would be awesome is to have him as a local sideline reporter and post presser type of guy. His personality is literally perfect for it and you know guys would open up to him in every sense of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 At least JT still has his sense of humor. . . The Geneva convention on torture (confinement, stress positions) was just violated when they wedged me into that MRI tube for 2 hrs. Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 He followed that tweet with this one. . . MRI reveals torn tricep tendon. Surgery soon. Tough break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Can we get a second rounder for him this offseason if Drango is serviceable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, wargograw said: Can we get a second rounder for him this offseason if Drango is serviceable? Your sick get a MRI..NO... Done-Rango is not serviceable.Baylor had a reason to get the ball out to Corey in under 2.5 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I like Joe, but lets be real...we were 1-22 with him. Not his fault of course, but it's not like we are going to start losing more games hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: Jt should immediately transition to o line coach. Failure to get that done would be a huge black mark on this FO in my estimation. And what exactly makes him qualified for this? It is not as if his leadership led the Browns to have a great OL. all his years the linemen around him sucked, and NOW, you want me to believe he is coaching material? Seriously man. Joe was a stellar LT, but he wasn't a game changer, he wasn't a once-in-a-lifetime, he wasn't even a leader who helped the OL to get better. Honestly bro, enough of this guy already. He's done. Stick a fork in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, Tacosman said: I like Joe, but lets be real...we were 1-22 with him. Not his fault of course, but it's not like we are going to start losing more games hahahaha This is 100% Correctamundo. I have asked over and over again, yet not one person here could answer the question and present statistics that improved once Joe Thomas came to Cleveland. Only a QB can dramatically change the performance of a team. Joe Thomas is living proof that in terms of wins and losses, a LT does not really do much for a team. As you mentioned, we are 1 - 22 with Joe Thomas starting. What is the difference if he died? Nothing. THere really would be no impact to the performance of the Browns. His position can be filled adequately by one of many lard a$$ offensive linemen. Yes, yes, yes................... he was good. But he had no impact on the team. TO me, that is a waste of a high pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 I think the porous nature of the browns left flank after jt's exit speaks for itself. Nobody ever said a hof LT wins u a SB, its a team game. We never put a TEAM around joe. Yeah we got "a few" ok players around him from time to time, but we never put it all together. Qb evaluation will now be bext to impossible with the quality we have filling in there. We dont even have an "avg" LT ready to fill in. Might as well get a lefty qb off the wire bow so that the right side is his blind side now. Can phil mickelson throw a spiral? Anybody know? Can someone tweet that question at him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 It sounds like JT may call it a career. It's a shame that we never had a good QB for him to block for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Might as well get a lefty qb off the wire bow so that the right side is his blind side now. dear god NO, your flipping the whole playbook upside down at that point.Lefty spin? we can't catch now. A RT Handed QB with Mobility with Accuracy..Ya got till late April..Call us when ya see'em. we'll be here all week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said: It sounds like JT may call it a career. It's a shame that we never had a good QB for him to block for. I think he's overwhelmed with being injured. I believe his competitive spirit will drive him to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, gumby73 said: dear god NO, your flipping the whole playbook upside down at that point.Lefty spin? we can't catch now. A RT Handed QB with Mobility with Accuracy..Ya got till late April..Call us when ya see'em. we'll be here all week The plays are exactly the same dude. Ur point about spin is duly noted tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Tacosman said: I like Joe, but lets be real...we were 1-22 with him. Not his fault of course, but it's not like we are going to start losing more games hahahaha That's pretty funny. Not. We better start loading up the practice squad with QB's. Because as much as the Ghoul has been wrong about the OL he's right that we've never had a decent backup tackle on this team. I've noticed that fact for years and have always thought to myself, "Boy we're screwed if JT ever gets hurt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 28 minutes ago, Orion said: That's pretty funny. Not. We better start loading up the practice squad with QB's. Because as much as the Ghoul has been wrong about the OL he's right that we've never had a decent backup tackle on this team. I've noticed that fact for years and have always thought to myself, "Boy we're screwed if JT ever gets hurt." again, how can we get more screwed than losing every damn game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Tacosman said: again, how can we get more screwed than losing every damn game? You won't get anyone to answer that. I stated from the draft that the 2017 OL would fare no better than the 2016 version did. I also said that the odds were very good that Joe Thomas would get injured this season. Part of his longevity came from the fact that he seldom got into the mosh pit. He was not a formidable run blocker. But I digress. I have been nuts on about the OL, it simply did not make any difference. The QB WRs, TEs, and RBs make the OL. Without players who have to be accounted for opposing defenses swarm the LOS and smother the OL. We were 1 - 15 with a so called crappy OL, and now we are 0 - 7 with a stellar OL. OL...makes very little difference. Never has, never will. You can get OL off the street corner. The Pats won a SB starting an OL who previously never played a down in the NFL. Joe Thomas was good, but he made absolutely no impact on the Browns. None, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Tacosman said: again, how can we get more screwed than losing every damn game? Pass on Wentz, then lose every damn game. That's how! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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