Westside Steve Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2011/04/28/how-many-us-secretaries-of-def/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 SECDEF's take their advice from the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the intelligence agencies. Who in turn take their advice from the Fleet commanders and Generals. Ultimate responsiblity always is the President's. And quite frankly, I no longer trust Trump. If Mattis doesn't, I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2011/04/28/how-many-us-secretaries-of-def/ Four of these six men without military service were appointed by Republican presidents: Charles Wilson (Eisenhower), Neil McElroy (Eisenhower), James Schlesinger (Nixon), and Dick Cheney (George H.W. Bush). Eisenhower and Bush both had military service. What a great comparison with Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, cccjwh said: Four of these six men without military service were appointed by Republican presidents: Charles Wilson (Eisenhower), Neil McElroy (Eisenhower), James Schlesinger (Nixon), and Dick Cheney (George H.W. Bush). Eisenhower and Bush both had military service. What a great comparison with Nixon. So what? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Westside Steve said: So what? WSS Well if the Commander in Chief has military experience it makes it less important for the SOD to have military experience. When you have a draft dodging coward as president it makes it even more important to have a SOD with military experience. Hey it's not like we are fighting any wars right now, oh wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: SECDEF's take their advice from the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the intelligence agencies. Who in turn take their advice from the Fleet commanders and Generals. Ultimate responsiblity always is the President's. And quite frankly, I no longer trust Trump. If Mattis doesn't, I don't. I think arguments can be made on either side of pulling our troops out of Syria. I respect Mattis but I haven't been on board with some of the things he has said such as: 1. Opposed moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem.2. Opposed cancelling the Iran nuclear deal.3. Insisted on arming and training the Hezbollah-controlled Lebanese military.4. Opposed transgender ban in military and supported paying for the surgery.5. Said Tel Aviv is Israel's capital. *Mattis also opposed the United States getting out of the Paris Climate Accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 I'm hoping someone steps up and runs against Trump in the primaries. Trump doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I'm hoping someone steps up and runs against Trump in the primaries. Trump doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning in 2020. It will be a socialist / Democrat. Get used to it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I'm hoping someone steps up and runs against Trump in the primaries. Trump doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 38 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: It will be a socialist / Democrat. Get used to it. WSS I had 8 years of Billy Bog and 8 years of Obammy. Mattis should run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I had 8 years of Billy Bog and 8 years of Obammy. Mattis should run. I like Mattis and I respect him, but I think America is sick to fucking death of troops in the Middle East. The choices aren't very good pal. Open border free shit Democrat, or a Democrat light like Kasich. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 We hardly have any troops in the Middle east. Like it or not, we have comittments we have to fulfill and that involves sending troops. I was one as were many more. It's an all volunteer force. No one is forced to join the military. And those that do generally like being deployed. I know a lot of people who got out and went back as contractors because the money was really good. When I went in the Army we had a couple hundred thousand in Vietnam, and half a million in Germany. Desert Storm we had close to half a million. Now I think we have around 14,000 in Afghanistan and a couple thousand in Syria which are either SPECOPS or support. They mainly train the fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: And those that do generally like being deployed. I know a lot of people who got out and went back as contractors because the money was really good. I can't think of a single one of my friends that 'liked' being deployed. I can also speak for one that didn't come back... "like" is a strange word to use there. Now I do know a private security contractor that makes six figures but he is only over sea at 4 month increments then takes another 6 off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: I can't think of a single one of my friends that 'liked' being deployed. I can also speak for one that didn't come back... "like" is a strange word to use there. Now I do know a private security contractor that makes six figures but he is only over sea at 4 month increments then takes another 6 off. Well being one of those people that was deployed for a year and turned around and went back as a contractor for another couple of years. I can say, that I don't like being deployed. But I sacrifice those two additional years for family and to ensure I could retire early. Getting used to being deployed is different than enjoying it. There are some people who do enjoy being deployed, they are usually the ones that go whoring in Dubai and have some side wives in the Philippines or/and Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: I can't think of a single one of my friends that 'liked' being deployed. I can also speak for one that didn't come back... "like" is a strange word to use there. Now I do know a private security contractor that makes six figures but he is only over sea at 4 month increments then takes another 6 off. I know plenty of people who volunteered to go back early. I guess we hang with different crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I know plenty of people who volunteered to go back early. I guess we hang with different crowds. Same type of crowd, just different people me thinks. Have a good holiday bubs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 enjoy being deployed, they are usually the ones that go whoring in Dubai and have some side wives in the Philippines or/and Thailand. Most of my friends would fall into that category...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 I don't like the way Trump is ignoring Generals advice on military matters. You know who else did that. Adolph Hitler. Just sayin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I don't like the way Trump is ignoring Generals advice on military matters. You know who else did that. Adolph Hitler. Just sayin..... Ur just now becoming aware of the uncomfortable comparisons? Im being dead serious and all our prior bullshit aside......what did u "really" think when u saw that pompous rodeo clown descending the escalator at T=0? Cause it didnt tske long for peoples, and not just liberals, jaws to drop and say holy shit do u know who this guy sounds like? We were pointing this shit out from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 I mean tits up for republicans finally getting it so maybe we can get him primaried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 9 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I'm hoping someone steps up and runs against Trump in the primaries. Trump doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning in 2020. Nikki Haley 2020? She'd have my vote if she ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 I think she would be great. Intelligent and respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 All warfare is based on deception. - Sun Tzu You're all falling for it again . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, JAFBF said: All warfare is based on deception. - Sun Tzu You're all falling for it again . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 Which one looks calm and cool. Which one looks deranged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 11 hours ago, Westside Steve said: I like Mattis and I respect him, but I think America is sick to fucking death of troops in the Middle East... 10 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: We hardly have any troops in the Middle east. Like it or not, we have comittments we have to fulfill and that involves sending troops... America has lost around 5 service members to date since the Syrian Civil War started. The Kurds have lost over 10,000. While I can agree with you on people being tired of the Middle East, Steve, the reality of the situation is that we need to be there to protect our Kurdish allies and to try to help stabilize the region. Trump said that Obama created ISIS by withdrawing from Iraq too quickly; Trump's rash decision here will cause the rise of ISIS 2.0. DH is right: better to fight them over there now than have to go back over there later in the future after Islamists take this respite to plan and execute more terrorist attacks against the US. We're going to have to be there no matter what, unfortunately, but if we leave now, we'll be going it alone when we have to return, because the Kurds won't help us again after we turned our backs on them. We sure as hell can't leave the region in the hands of Turkey, Iran or Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 look at diehard going full antifa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 13 hours ago, JAFBF said: All warfare is based on deception. - Sun Tzu You're all falling for it again . . . Is this where you think Trump is some super genius because autistic kids on 4chan told you as much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 13 hours ago, jbluhm86 said: Look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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