tinythinker Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 They are the real deal and will represent the AFC (North) in the big game. Congratulations to the Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 I live in the Cincinnati area, so I'm happy for all my family and friends who are Bengals fans that they got to see their team make it to the big dance. It also pisses me off that much more that the Browns blew it this season, because we went 2-0 against the Bengals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, jbluhm86 said: I live in the Cincinnati area, so I'm happy for all my family and friends who are Bengals fans that they got to see their team make it to the big dance. It also pisses me off that much more that the Browns blew it this season, because we went 2-0 against the Bengals. So does Kentucky get to celebrate the win too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 good for joe and what did they say ? that only joe nammath joe montana have won the fbs and a super bowl will burrow make it 3 joes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Neo said: So does Kentucky get to celebrate the win too? For sure, the northern half at least. Alot of good party spots near Cincinnati are actually in Covington and Newport. Open carry alcohol is a thing there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 For me the frustrating part is watching cincy shut down the run.. Yes, it's all well and good to Hope And Wish for guys who can both shut down the run and rush the passer, but those guys are a who's who of who's not coming to Cleveland. And so the Browns answer to date has been a stream of guys who are sort-of-OK at both but aren't lockdown at either one. Bengals said F all that, just stop the interior run.. and it's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, ATOM said: good for joe and what did they say ? that only joe nammath joe montana have won the fbs and a super bowl will burrow make it 3 joes ? Flacco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, Axe said: Flacco flacco won a champoinship game in collage ? i didnt know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, ATOM said: flacco won a champoinship game in collage ? i didnt know that My bad, Thought we were talking SBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, Axe said: My bad, Thought we were talking SBs thats cool axe but you know things happen in 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 I said it before and ill say it again- Joe Burrow is the easiest QB eval I've done since Andrew Luck. Hurts to see him in Cincy and not CLE - where the bastion of Buckeye support is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: I said it before and ill say it again- Joe Burrow is the easiest QB eval I've done since Andrew Luck. Hurts to see him in Cincy and not CLE - where the bastion of Buckeye support is. If Baker doesn't ball out next year, he's done. Browns were better in almost every position and coaching than the Bengals this year except QB [edit: and WR] and the Bengals are in the Super Bowl while Browns nation is sitting here talking about "what if". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, tiamat63 said: I said it before and ill say it again- Joe Burrow is the easiest QB eval I've done since Andrew Luck. Hurts to see him in Cincy and not CLE - where the bastion of Buckeye support is. It's frustrating that the Browns do a tank job, end up with the #1 overall pick and end up with Baker Mayfield, while the Bengals do the same and end up with Joe Burrow. The difference between the two outcomes of tank jobs is, IMO, going to be felt for a decade plus. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, jbluhm86 said: If Baker doesn't ball out next year, he's done. Browns we're better in almost every position and coaching than the Bengals this year except QB, and the Bengals are in the Super Bowl while Browns nation is sitting here talking about "what if". The Bengals are significantly better at the WR position too, but I get your overall point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 I would've respected Baker alot more this year if he shut it down for the year after 1-2 games after he got hurt, at the most? Would we still have sucked with Keeum playing instead of Baker? Maybe, maybe not. But by Baker being stubborn and playing while he's obviously hurt bad, he cost us several games. If he would've shut it down and had surgery earlier, he'd be well on the road to recovery and had ample time to prepare for the '22 season and nobody would really have much to burn him for. All he accomplished by being stubborn and playing through the injury was that he got himself hurt worse and hurt his team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: The Bengals are significantly better at the WR position too, but I get your overall point. Browns spend 124.3M on offense..Defense 65.6M.... QB's 27.2M....Offensive Line..47.2M* Bengals spend 67.1M on offense.. Defense 85.5M.... QB's 9.8M......Offensive Line..20.9M* Burrow's OL looks as bad as the Seattle SB runs...It's not bothered Burrow 1 iota.. Oddly..they must have backed OBJ's salary out? Says we match the WR Bengals around 19M https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Interesting case studies this postseason… Bengals- Jonah Williams and a patchwork line around him. They needed a lineman but took a WR in the top 10. Rams- traded away every pick they own for veterans to complete their roster all this happened after aggressively going after a QB in the offseason. Their old QB played in a SB for them a couple seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, gumby73 said: Browns spend 124.3M on offense..Defense 65.6M.... QB's 27.2M....Offensive Line..47.2M* Bengals spend 67.1M on offense.. Defense 85.5M.... QB's 9.8M......Offensive Line..20.9M* Burrow's OL looks as bad as the Seattle SB runs...It's not bothered Burrow 1 iota.. Oddly..they must have backed OBJ's salary out? Says we match the WR Bengals around 19M https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/ It hurts the Browns' cap space for not drafting their wide receivers. Obj and Landry were about 14 million or more each, and hooper gets big money this coming season. The Bengals drafted all three of their starting wr's - Boyd, Tee Higgins and Ja'Marr Chase. Paying top money to get a big name wr costs a lot more. And the Bengals would LOVE to have the Browns' offensive line. I just wonder if Hooper and Landry fit into their plans for next year, they cost so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 I don't see Hooper or Landry on the Browns next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, D Bone said: I don't see Hooper or Landry on the Browns next year. You may be correct. I like Jay Rose, University of Connecticut in a late round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, gumby73 said: Browns spend 124.3M on offense..Defense 65.6M.... QB's 27.2M....Offensive Line..47.2M* Bengals spend 67.1M on offense.. Defense 85.5M.... QB's 9.8M......Offensive Line..20.9M* Burrow's OL looks as bad as the Seattle SB runs...It's not bothered Burrow 1 iota.. Oddly..they must have backed OBJ's salary out? Says we match the WR Bengals around 19M https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/ FWIW, Burrow did a couple Houdini acts to avoid getting sacked, and turned them into first downs. Raise your hand if you think Baker could have done the same... Ben retires, and now we have to deal with Joe for the next 10 years, barring injury. Bet the Bengals pick in the upcoming draft is going to be OL.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Through Sunday, Los Angeles ranked first in pass block win rate, pass rush win rate and run stop win rate. Rams win because of their line play. The rest may very well get more headlines but when it's time for the phrase "the straw that stirs the drink" that's OL and DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 hours ago, jbluhm86 said: If Baker doesn't ball out next year, he's done. Browns were better in almost every position and coaching than the Bengals this year except QB [edit: and WR] and the Bengals are in the Super Bowl while Browns nation is sitting here talking about "what if". 13 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: It's frustrating that the Browns do a tank job, end up with the #1 overall pick and end up with Baker Mayfield, while the Bengals do the same and end up with Joe Burrow. The difference between the two outcomes of tank jobs is, IMO, going to be felt for a decade plus. Of course, with growth in coaching, it's entirely possible to run into a situation like what we saw with SF vs GB. Packers have a superior QB and individual receiver, but Niners have better trench play, a complete receiving corps, and better coaches. The majority of the time good sense dictates having the better QB. But Kyle Shanahan was 4 points away from going 2 of the last 3 to the SuperBowl with Jimmy G under center. You don't *NEED* Joe Burrow, but damn it, the smartest path with the most return chances squarely tends to rest on a great QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 15 hours ago, tiamat63 said: I said it before and ill say it again- Joe Burrow is the easiest QB eval I've done since Andrew Luck. Hurts to see him in Cincy and not CLE - where the bastion of Buckeye support is. Yep- as I said in a previous thread it's amazing how sucking at the right time impacts a team's history. Joey Brrr was a slam dunk number one pick for a team who needed a QB. On top of that, you have in some ways a homegrown kid who wants to be there. Then, COVID and all that dictates Chase for all intents and purposes falling into Cincy's lap as well. Dude is just a winner on top of all that too. While you can underestimate coaching, development etc, this dude was gonna be elite no matter where we went. Of course, it fucking figures it's a team we play twice a year right as the dude who owned the Browns in Pitt retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Burrow is outstanding - but the Browns beat them twice last year, and twice this year. Baker isn't as tall, can't run like Burrow, yep. But the Browns can win with Baker. If Baker had Ja"marr Chase, Tee Higgins and Tyler Boyd to throw to - and hadn't gotten hurt - I can imagine the Browns would have been in the playoffs again and advanced. The addition of Chase made their offense explosive. Even last year, Burrow had excellent stats, but they drafted 7th overall for reasons. The Browns can win with Baker - but Pluto is correct about addition a star WR to the Browns' offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 5 hours ago, jrb12711 said: Yep- as I said in a previous thread it's amazing how sucking at the right time impacts a team's history. Joey Brrr was a slam dunk number one pick for a team who needed a QB. On top of that, you have in some ways a homegrown kid who wants to be there. Then, COVID and all that dictates Chase for all intents and purposes falling into Cincy's lap as well. Dude is just a winner on top of all that too. While you can underestimate coaching, development etc, this dude was gonna be elite no matter where we went. Of course, it fucking figures it's a team we play twice a year right as the dude who owned the Browns in Pitt retires. LOL You must have listened to Rizzo this morning. He went on to say that this kid from Ohio kicked our asses for 18yrs. has finally retired, and now I gotta put up with another kid from Ohio! @#$% ...for how many years??? Although Burrow hasn't kicked the Browns asses...yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 5 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Burrow is outstanding - but the Browns beat them twice last year, and twice this year. Baker isn't as tall, can't run like Burrow, yep. But the Browns can win with Baker. If Baker had Ja"marr Chase, Tee Higgins and Tyler Boyd to throw to - and hadn't gotten hurt - I can imagine the Browns would have been in the playoffs again and advanced. The addition of Chase made their offense explosive. Even last year, Burrow had excellent stats, but they drafted 7th overall for reasons. The Browns can win with Baker - but Pluto is correct about addition a star WR to the Browns' offense. Stop making excuses for Baker, he had the WR’s , defense’s knew to keep him in the pocket where he couldn’t see past the first option, then bat the ball back in his face. Bottom line- Baker fucking blows!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katfan4ever Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 22 hours ago, jbluhm86 said: I would've respected Baker alot more this year if he shut it down for the year after 1-2 games after he got hurt, at the most? Would we still have sucked with Keeum playing instead of Baker? Maybe, maybe not. But by Baker being stubborn and playing while he's obviously hurt bad, he cost us several games. If he would've shut it down and had surgery earlier, he'd be well on the road to recovery and had ample time to prepare for the '22 season and nobody would really have much to burn him for. All he accomplished by being stubborn and playing through the injury was that he got himself hurt worse and hurt his team. Baker had no choice. What part of "Drs. cleared Baker to play do you refuse to acknowledge? If I hurt myself at work but my doctor clears me to work, I'll be at work. He's getting paid to play. He'll be back for mini camps healtyy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Katfan4ever said: Baker had no choice. What part of "Drs. cleared Baker to play do you refuse to acknowledge? If I hurt myself at work but my doctor clears me to work, I'll be at work. He's getting paid to play. He'll be back for mini camps healthy! Since you're new here.. We've been down this road a bunch of times already. Being "cleared to play" only meant he probably wouldn't damage the already damaged shoulder further if he did play. That absolutely doesn't mean he'd play up to his pre-injury level. And in fact he didn't. I've pointed out in his last six games he had QBRs below 60 in four of them. That blows dead worms. FWIW, I could argue even mediocre quarterback play and the Browns beat the Steelers the second time around. Baker's 42% completion rate, 53 QBR, and standing around like a piñata for Watt and company to kill him wasn't too smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 7:30 PM, jbluhm86 said: I would've respected Baker alot more this year if he shut it down for the year after 1-2 games after he got hurt, at the most? Would we still have sucked with Keeum playing instead of Baker? Maybe, maybe not. But by Baker being stubborn and playing while he's obviously hurt bad, he cost us several games. If he would've shut it down and had surgery earlier, he'd be well on the road to recovery and had ample time to prepare for the '22 season and nobody would really have much to burn him for. All he accomplished by being stubborn and playing through the injury was that he got himself hurt worse and hurt his team. I don't blame baker for that. Players always want to play. I blame Stefanski for that. The coach should have shut down the player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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