Climate change pledge

[calfoxwc]

17 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

The most broken record on this site is cal and climate change, and that's saying something. 

Every point in his post has been brought up dozens of times and addressed a handful of times. 

In one ear and out the other...

 

(And no cal, I'm not going over this all again...)

because you keep losing - you regurgitate your vague claims, then you can't back them up with science. Your arguments are badly flawed on the subject - there is NO CONSENSUS. The ice age, again, melted away long before there were people. Unless you think there were dinosaurs driving SUV's and keeping their thermostats too high in the winter and too low in the summer. LOL

 

[JAFBF]

https://electroverse.co/largest-summer-sea-ice-extent-since-2008-coldest-july-airmass-in-70-years-sweeps-bering-strait/

 

We've still got Snow / Ice on some of the lesser Mountains here.

For nearing August, that's a bit rare, especially considering we didn't have an overly heavy Snow season this past year.

Decent Snow, but not one of the heavier ones since I've been here (16 years).

 

[nickers]

13 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

These socialists act like it never got hot before now, never had droughts before, etc.  

One thing thats true is history has shown the Earth goes in cycles... There has been ice ages and ther'ell be another ice age in the future.. One thing we don't want to have happen is a sudden polar shift of the Earth's Axis...... That would be a total cluster fuck for the entire planet... That could also spell the end for many lifeforms on Earth most notably for Human kind.. The other thing is there are things in the Cosmos that could instantly wipe us out... Gamma/radiation bursts from neighboring stars that suddenly collapse and go blue.. Plus there are Nutrinos and cosmic rays that cause havoc on the ozone layer as well that constantly bombard the earth... A mass coronal Ejection from the Sun can simply fry the planet to a crisp.. The world and space itself is a hostile enviornment... We all have to realize at some point ... We're on borrowed time...

[TexasAg1969]

3 hours ago, nickers said:

 We all have to realize at some point ... We're on borrowed time...

When you hit 75 then you know you have less borrowed time than most others. LOL!😱😂

[Vambo]

FOX WEATHER

Watch a wind turbine disintegrate in Texas after a lightning strike

[MLD Woody]

Morons have clearly been emboldened over the last few years. We appear to have taken a step back from "the Earth's image is changing but it isn't caused by man" all the way to "the climate isn't changing"

Fucking lovely

 

Please just stop fucking this place up any worse than you already have. It's not even trashing the place on your way out. You're stopping others from cleaning up after you. 

[hammertime]

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Morons have clearly been emboldened over the last few years. We appear to have taken a step back from "the Earth's image is changing but it isn't caused by man" all the way to "the climate isn't changing"

Fucking lovely

 

Please just stop fucking this place up any worse than you already have. It's not even trashing the place on your way out. You're stopping others from cleaning up after you. 

You are such a cuck.  Just go somewhere other than America.

im guessing you were castrated at birth cause your parents knew you were a woke bitch.

your a sad woodpecker 

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

[calfoxwc]

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Morons have clearly been emboldened over the last few years. We appear to have taken a step back from "the Earth's image is changing but it isn't caused by man" all the way to "the climate isn't changing"Fucking lovelyPlease just stop fucking this place up any worse than you already have. It's not even trashing the place on your way out. You're stopping others from cleaning up after you. 

woodpecker - nobody is saying climate doesn't change. Pretty dishonest way to have an ego-supporting "take".

  If you want to live in another country, I would contribute a few bucks - but you have to promise it would be one way only, and you'd never move back.

[htownbrown]

The hypocrisy in this thread is amazing!!

I mean, you'd think everyone here just randomly drives their fossil fuel burning vehicle out of state to the creationist museum for no useful reason other than to troll a former poster on this board.  But as it turns out, it was just one oblivious global warmer.

 

[TexasAg1969]

Whatever. All I know is that we are currently breaking average daily temp records going into a 4th month now in the state and a drought record about to fall as well since the worst I ever saw in the state in 2011. More importantly it is so dry here that this 500 acre wildfire is within a mile of the homes of both of my kids and about 1 1/2 from my home.  But the good news is we get to watch multiple airplanes and choppers dropping water and retardant right from our yards. 

Quite a show. 😱🤠🛬🔥🚁

 

[Axe]

We got 7 inches of rain in June. July will be higher.

[htownbrown]

4 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Whatever. All I know is that we are currently breaking average daily temp records going into a 4th month now in the state and a drought record about to fall as well since the worst I ever saw in the state in 2011. More importantly it is so dry here that this 500 acre wildfire is within a mile of the homes of both of my kids and about 1 1/2 from my home.  But the good news is we get to watch multiple airplanes and choppers dropping water and retardant right from our yards. 

Quite a show. 😱🤠🛬🔥🚁

 

This is typical for la nina.

[MLD Woody]

17 hours ago, htownbrown said:

The hypocrisy in this thread is amazing!!

I mean, you'd think everyone here just randomly drives their fossil fuel burning vehicle out of state to the creationist museum for no useful reason other than to troll a former poster on this board.  But as it turns out, it was just one oblivious global warmer.

 

You think that's the reason I went there? Ha, alright buddy...

 

Real, meaningful change comes through regulating and innovating at large companies. The source of the vast majority of the negative effects on our climate. The attempt to push it back on individuals is just a tactic by these large companies to avoid blame. 

Lame ass whataboutisms because someone drives are car are just that. But I'm sure you scored some points on here.

[htownbrown]

1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:

You think that's the reason I went there? Ha, alright buddy...

Yeah.

Real, meaningful change comes through regulating and innovating at large companies. The source of the vast majority of the negative effects on our climate. The attempt to push it back on individuals is just a tactic by these large companies to avoid blame.  

Not sure what this had to do with what I said?  My point was, who are you to blame other individuals?  This is your attempt at pushing it back, not mine or some nameless company on your shit list.  I'm not posting at people like their ruining MY planet with their choices, that's your shtick.

Lame ass whataboutisms because someone drives are car are just that.

I know, right?

But I'm sure you scored some points on here.

 Who cares?

 

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, htownbrown said:

 

And your schtick is very clear as well too...

 

Point being, if a portion of this country doesn't even think climate change is happening, they aren't going to vote in the people that can actually make a difference. It isn't because joe blow eats a burger or drives a truck, it's because he thinks climate change is a hoax and votes for politicians bought by the oil and gas lobby. 

I'm pointing out individuals beliefs and subsequent actions around climate change, not just driving a truck. See how one can ultimately be more detrimental than the other?

[Vambo]

37 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

And your schtick is very clear as well too...

 

Point being, if a portion of this country doesn't even think climate change is happening, they aren't going to vote in the people that can actually make a difference. It isn't because joe blow eats a burger or drives a truck, it's because he thinks climate change is a hoax and votes for politicians bought by the oil and gas lobby. 

I'm pointing out individuals beliefs and subsequent actions around climate change, not just driving a truck. See how one can ultimately be more detrimental than the other?

Do you drive an electric car?

[htownbrown]

7 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

And your schtick is very clear as well too...

 

Point being, if a portion of this country doesn't even think climate change is happening, they aren't going to vote in the people that can actually make a difference. It isn't because joe blow eats a burger or drives a truck, it's because he thinks climate change is a hoax and votes for politicians bought by the oil and gas lobby. 

You and I both know that's not why you attempt to guilt people about climate change.  You don't have to support cap and trade, the progressive agenda, to believe in climate change.  It's not a genius idea to have the consumer pay more for less, for little progress.  The change will come organically in the private sector if the government manages to not interfere.  Anything else will be a disaster.  Your ideology isn't superior enough to warrant a pass on hypocritical finger pointing.

I'm pointing out individuals beliefs and subsequent actions around climate change, not just driving a truck. See how one can ultimately be more detrimental than the other?

I can hear the back door creaking open with that one.  

 

[Westside Steve]

12 hours ago, htownbrown said:

 

Cap and trade; there's a blast from the past.😄

WSS 

[Canton Dawg]

1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:

Cap and trade; there's a blast from the past.😄

WSS 

Cap and trade.
Sounds like the typical Dem mantra of “Tax & Spend”.

[MLD Woody]

14 hours ago, htownbrown said:

 

The problem is, we have posters on here that don't believe in climate change. We're not even having a "how should we address it discussion". We're at "it's been hot before!" If we can't even get people to after that climate change is real, and mankind is contributing, then we'll never get to working on solutions.

Which, again, is why it's more detrimental for someone to have that view and vote for politicians that share that view (organically or financially) than it is to drive a gasoline powered car.

 

And here is another point we differ, capitalism isn't going to organically correct for the damage being done to the climate until way too much damage has been done. Regulations exist for a reason. Capitalism cares about the immediate future and doesn't care about those without a financial voice. Without The Jungle and public outcry do you think the meat packing industry would willingly take on more cost? 

Real change needs to come from sweeping governmental programs and regulation. Greed drives capitalism (look at the latest profit earnings in the oil and gas industry) and it isn't going to organically adjust to a future state threat. Especially one the CEOs in charge of these companies won't be alive to see. 

[Vambo]

15 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

The problem is, we have posters on here that don't believe in climate change. We're not even having a "how should we address it discussion". We're at "it's been hot before!" If we can't even get people to after that climate change is real, and mankind is contributing, then we'll never get to working on solutions.

Which, again, is why it's more detrimental for someone to have that view and vote for politicians that share that view (organically or financially) than it is to drive a gasoline powered car.

 

And here is another point we differ, capitalism isn't going to organically correct for the damage being done to the climate until way too much damage has been done. Regulations exist for a reason. Capitalism cares about the immediate future and doesn't care about those without a financial voice. Without The Jungle and public outcry do you think the meat packing industry would willingly take on more cost? 

Real change needs to come from sweeping governmental programs and regulation. Greed drives capitalism (look at the latest profit earnings in the oil and gas industry) and it isn't going to organically adjust to a future state threat. Especially one the CEOs in charge of these companies won't be alive to see. 

Do you drive an electric car?

Is your home powered by solar energy?

When you do come talk to us!

 

[calfoxwc]

7 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

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wouldn't you be happier in a socialist country then? Want use to buy you a ticket?

   Your vague assumptions are nonsense. The reason you all had to stop using "man made global warming" is because the science was a double edged sword, it supported and undermined your ideological contentions.

So, you changed it to "climate change" because climate does obviously change.

    The UN reps admitted it was about the redistribution of wealth to poor countries around the globe.

   "man made global warming" is a farce. but sneaking pollution into the discussions is also nonsense. Nobody wants pollution - that is an entirely different matter.

   If only we could go back in time and have clear waters in our creeks and rivers free from any pollution - it would be awesome.

   Seriously - do you really believe that "man made global warming" is a result of cows farting? Where we set our thermostats? Which lightbulb residences use? Which car you drive?

  I have shown graphs where CO2 levels have risen dramatically. But there has been no corresponding rise in global temps.

  So, I brought up the destruction of rain forests - MILLIONS OF ACRES EVERY YEAR. Now consider that plants/trees USE CO2 as "food"....

   You have to use words honestly to make your points, or you are just wrong most of the time.

[Vambo]

Politics

RAMPING UP: Climate activists using extreme tactics, violence to 'save the planet'

[calfoxwc]

a bunch of low lifes getting paid to raise hell.

the soros way.

https://www.westernjournal.com › aoc-admits-disturbing-details-behind-staged-arrest-soros-funded-dark-money-group-coordinated-stunt

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[DieHardBrownsFan1]

[calfoxwc]

1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

EXACTLY.

[htownbrown]

10 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

The problem is, we have posters on here that don't believe in climate change. We're not even having a "how should we address it discussion". We're at "it's been hot before!" If we can't even get people to after that climate change is real, and mankind is contributing, then we'll never get to working on solutions.

Which, again, is why it's more detrimental for someone to have that view and vote for politicians that share that view (organically or financially) than it is to drive a gasoline powered car.

And here is another point we differ, capitalism isn't going to organically correct for the damage being done to the climate until way too much damage has been done. Regulations exist for a reason. Capitalism cares about the immediate future and doesn't care about those without a financial voice. Without The Jungle and public outcry do you think the meat packing industry would willingly take on more cost? 

Real change needs to come from sweeping governmental programs and regulation. Greed drives capitalism (look at the latest profit earnings in the oil and gas industry) and it isn't going to organically adjust to a future state threat. Especially one the CEOs in charge of these companies won't be alive to see. 

I believe there is mmgw, but I'll never vote for a politician on that premise alone.  Never ever.  I don't think the data says what you think it does.  So I will never have your level of urgency, I've already laid out several reasons why in this thread alone.  Furthermore, I don't think there is a politician who knows enough about the subject to have any credible plan.

We are all, every fucking one us, buying a ton of products from China, the biggest polluter on the planet.  Everyone includes you.  They give no shits who you voted for in Ohio.  You will never see zero emissions on government regulations.  That is preposterous thinking.  The real solution is unequivocally in the private sector.  When the technology is there and cheap, China and the US will jump aboard.  That's not whataboutism btw.

That also goes for the efficiency of the products we buy as well.  The government didn't decide your clothes dryer had to run on less electricity, but they started to become available and people bought them.  It happened pretty organically.  You can still go buy a completely inefficient one if you want, but why?  You better pray some greedy CEO is sitting in his italian leather captains chair salivating at the chance to be first to the market.  Otherwise, from your perspective of the world, we're fucked.

All that aside, the climate evangel you preach doesn't preclude you of your own criticisms.  You can't say if I don't believe in your ideology than it's all on me.  To start with, there is nothing that says what you believe in will make a global impact.  It doesn't matter that you care more, if you're consuming goods from the same polluting companies as the unwashed masses.

 

 

 

[TexasAg1969]

For the curious who wondered about the "Great Global Warming Event" a.k.a. Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, then here is a nice video to explain it's affects at that time. The Monarch butterflies are dying out, but there is a wonderful one called the Blue Morpho I encountered in Venezuela and Panama that I would love to have in my neighborhood when it has become a rain forest.  https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/species/blue-morpho-butterfly/ 

 

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

25 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

For the curious who wondered about the "Great Global Warming Event" a.k.a. Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, then here is a nice video to explain it's affects at that time. The Monarch butterflies are dying out, but there is a wonderful one called the Blue Morpho I encountered in Venezuela and Panama that I would love to have in my neighborhood when it has become a rain forest.  https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/species/blue-morpho-butterfly/ 

 

From what I've read Monarchs are becoming endangered because of pesticide usage, not climate change.  But go ahead and believe your boy Beto.🤣