HEY NICKERS THE BROWNS SURE DO SUCK

[Dutch Oven]

12 hours ago, nickers said:

I may not like certain individuals on the home team.. But in no way do I waiver my support or fandom of the team.. These days I'm a big Nick Chubb and Amari Cooper fan and the work ethic they bring... Anyone that hopes for their team to lose is twisted in my view... I mean hell I don't like our teams owner.. I think he's a total dip wad. But I want him to be successful so our team is successful.. If they prove me wrong and I eat a little crow.. I'm all for it... I don't need young assholes on a board forum telling me how to root for my team when I've been watching this team longer then they have been alive... Football is like a roll of toilet paper for me.. It's like Entertainment.. I use it when I need it.. It's not a way of life for me, and I don't have the patience or the time to put in useless hours of film study that will be forgotten in 24 hours by most... I devote enough time in my day to practice my craft of making music and some digital art... And battling malady's that were inflicted upon me. Anyone whose laughs at this sort of thing is a sick,fucked up individual IMHO .... I didn't come here for a pat on the back, Win medals or flex my limited football knowledge just to show people how brilliant or smart they think they are... There's always someone out there.. Who are more mentally adept than they are... Take all your film study and gibbeldy goop.. And put it where the sun don't shine...

Holy shitballs, @tiamat63 doesn't just live in nicker's head, I think he uses it as an Airbnb too. 

My goodness.

[FY56]

21 minutes ago, Flugel said:

You'd have to be someone I respect to strike a nerve with an ignorant comment. 

You apparently don't know the meaning behind the "to strike a nerve" idiom. 

to make someone feel angry, upset, embarrassed, etc

So who else do you respect besides me that made you upset?

I'm from update NY.  Student taught in Syracuse and went to college 28 miles south of Syracuse.  I know all about the SU football history. 

Nickers and I have been friends on the message board since 2006.  You don't know any of this.  Try reading the flow of discussion and have an adult explain it to you.

Throwing political jargon around like liberal social justice warriors doesn't make you tough hiding behind one of your 2 screen names Punk.   I know a lot more than you want me to know about what happened when Jim Brown went to SU.  

 

Gorka here. Continue to enlighten me. What exactly was the ignorant comment?  

I don't give a fuck how long you were here or where you live. Your badges of honor are your own and are meaningless to me.

As I said, Browns abuse of women career began after he retired from football.

1965

Then-18-year-old Brenda Ayers says Brown assaulted her in a Cleveland Howard Johnson motel. Brown was charged with assault and battery. According to an Associated Press report at the time, Ayers said Brown “plied her with whiskey, slapped her face, hip and stomach and forced her to have sex relations with him on two occasions.” She broke down while testifying in court, saying Brown called her days before testifying asking, “Why was I doing this to him?” Brown denied having sex with her and assaulting her; his defense lawyer called it a shakedown plot for money. A Cleveland jury found him not guilty. Ayers later sued Brown for paternity and lost and sued for civil damages, the latter of which she asked to be dismissed.

1968

Neighbors of Brown’s in Hollywood hear an argument and call the police. When police arrived, they found Brown’s then-girlfriend, model Eva Bohn-Chin, 22, semi-conscious beneath the balcony of Brown’s second-floor apartment. Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder, felony battery on a peace officer, and obstructing justice. From Pete Dexter’s essential 1981 profile of Brown:

 

1971

Battery charges are dropped against Brown due to a “lack of witnesses,” according to a report from Jet magazine. A deputy city attorney told the magazine that Brown was accused of “beating and then throwing two women, Claudia Anne Lemary and Carol Virginia Williams, both 22, out of his apartment and down a flight of stairs, allegedly because they refused to perform a sex act together.” From Jet’s recap:

During pre-trial proceedings, the two alleged victims, however, appeared with Brown and left with him, indicating all was forgiven, if indeed anything had occurred. At the trial, Miss Williams answered five questions put to her by Adajian before her attorney advised her to remain silent. She alleged she was injured at Brown’s apartment when “I fell down a flight of stairs.” But when asked if Brown was responsible for the fall, she purred, “Not to my knowledge.” Miss Lemary failed to appear.

1985

Brown is charged with raping and assaulting a 33-year-old woman in his home. The woman testified in court that she was friends with Brown, who invited over to his home one day, but that when she tried to leave, he beat her, then raped her with the help of his then-girlfriend, Carol Moses, 23. Moses told a grand jury that she got in a physical fight with the woman, who clearly had been beaten, after the woman “made a lesbian advance toward her,” and that Brown had tried to break up that fight, the Los Angeles Times reported. Brown told reporters, “This is ridiculous. Everybody is lying.”

The charges were dismissed by a judge, according to reports, due to “inconsistent testimony,” with changes in details such as whether Brown fully or partially penetrated her and whether he had tied her hands or forcibly held them. Research done since has shown that rape, like other traumatic events, takes a toll on a person’s memory, especially their memories of the event itself. This is why police now are advised to handle the interviews in sexual-assault cases differently than other crimes.

“We have a societal expectation that both the victim of a major crime and any witnesses to that crime ought to be able to remember with perfect clarity exactly what happened,” psychologist Rebecca Campbell told the Washington Post in 2014. “It is not an expectation that has any scientific merit.”

The year after this case, Brown told journalist Diane K. Shah that he was “very vulnerable and that “I don’t have much chance if someone wants to get me.”

1986

Brown is arrested and charged with assaulting live-in girlfriend Debra Clark. Clark, 22, told police the fight was “about a jealousy thing that happened a few days ago,” the Los Angeles Times reported, and at one point she locked herself inside a bedroom with a gun. The charges were later dropped after Clark said she did not want Brown prosecuted. “It was definitely overdramatized,” Clark said afterward. If a telephone call goes to the police station and they arrive, naturally the media’s going to get into it. Basically, we had a lovers’ quarrel, and everything is fine now.”

Speaking to Shah, Brown said he probably will marry Clark but concedes he doesn’t know how to spell his future wife’s first name.

1989

Brown’s memoir, Out of Bounds, comes out. In the book, he again said that Bohn-Chin fell from the balcony and that they had a “minor domestic dispute.” He did admit to slapping women, including Bohn-Chin, in the book. As quoted in a review in the Los Angeles Times:

“I have also slapped other women,” he wrote. “And I never should have, and I never should have slapped Eva, no matter how crazy we were at the time. I don’t think any man should slap a woman. In a perfect world, I don’t think any man should slap anyone. ... I don’t start fights, but sometimes I don’t walk away from them. It hasn’t happened in a long time, but it’s happened, and I regret those times. I should have been more in control of myself, stronger, more adult.”

1999

Brown is charged with two misdemeanors, making terrorist threats against his wife and vandalism, after his Monique Brown called 911. The first officer to arrive to the scene later testified to seeing Brown’s wife, Monique, 25, looking nervous, shaken, and like she’s been crying. Monique Brown said she and her husband got a in a verbal fight after she confronted him about his cheating. At one point, she said, he told her “he was going to kill her by snapping her neck.”

Monique Brown went to the garage, Brown followed her, picked up a shovel and began attacking her car, leaving dents and breaking the windshield, the officer told the court. She went to their neighbors and called 911.

Operator: “Monique, do you need a paramedic?”

Monique: “No. He hasn’t hit me.”

Operator: “He didn’t hit you today?”

Monique: “Not today.”

Operator: “OK. But there is a history of domestic violence, right?”

Monique: “Yes.”

Operator: “And he threatened to kill you today?”

Monique: “Yes.”

During the trial, Monique Brown recanted her own statements to the police and said what she told 911 was misinterpreted. She said she told the dispatcher she had not been hit, but that those parts were in the section of 911 tape labeled “inaudible.” A jury found Brown guilty of vandalism for smashing the car with the shovel. He was sentenced to three years of probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 40 hours on a work crew or 400 hours community service.

Three years later, in an almost literally unbelievable story in USA Today, Monique Brown would mention her husband’s jail time due to this case in the same sentence as the incarcerations of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr., while Brown himself blamed the couple’s arguments on PMS, claimed to be a victim of political persecution, and assert that what happened that night was “the opposite of domestic violence.”

“In anger-management training, they teach you never to hit a person—hit an object,” he said. “That’s what they teach you.”

2000

Brown is sentenced to six months in jail after he refused to attend domestic violence counseling as part of his sentence for smashing his wife’s car, the Los Angeles Times reported. Browns lawyer argued to the court that the counseling and other probation terms were “unconstitutional and dehumanizing.” Judge Judge Dale S. Fischer wasn’t swayed.

“The fact that Mr. Brown is refusing to get help with anger and violence only indicates to me the necessity for significant punishment,” Fischer said as she imposed the sentence.

Brown served less than four months of the sentence in 2002. When my colleague Drew Magary brought up the jail time with Brown in a 2009 interview, Brown said, “I chose to physically go to jail rather than take an assignment that was undignified to me.”

Brown, it should be noted, has beaten up men as well. While he was found not guilty of charges that he assaulted a West Hollywood man in 1969 after a traffic accident, in 1978 he was sentenced to one day in jail for beating and choking his golf partner, golf pro Frank Snow, over the placement of a ball.

Read more:

Jim Brown Did Great Things; He Also Beat Women (deadspin.com)

[syd]

nickers is a racist fuck 

[syd]

1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said:

I literally made fun of you so hard about you taking another man's name that you changed your handle and disappeared off the Browns forum for months, hiding over on your safe space.

But sure, after now begging to be let back on here, tell yourself that you really "trigger" people, or whatever pussies like you that hide behind a keyboard tell each other. It's adorable. 😏

I wonder who's dick he sucked ?  oh jeez forget it 

[Flugel]

On 11/15/2023 at 8:47 PM, FY56 said:

Gorka here. Continue to enlighten me. What exactly was the ignorant comment?  

I don't give a fuck how long you were here or where you live. Your badges of honor are your own and are meaningless to me.

As I said, Browns abuse of women career began after he retired from football.

1965

Then-18-year-old Brenda Ayers says Brown assaulted her in a Cleveland Howard Johnson motel. Brown was charged with assault and battery. According to an Associated Press report at the time, Ayers said Brown “plied her with whiskey, slapped her face, hip and stomach and forced her to have sex relations with him on two occasions.” She broke down while testifying in court, saying Brown called her days before testifying asking, “Why was I doing this to him?” Brown denied having sex with her and assaulting her; his defense lawyer called it a shakedown plot for money. A Cleveland jury found him not guilty. Ayers later sued Brown for paternity and lost and sued for civil damages, the latter of which she asked to be dismissed.

1968

Neighbors of Brown’s in Hollywood hear an argument and call the police. When police arrived, they found Brown’s then-girlfriend, model Eva Bohn-Chin, 22, semi-conscious beneath the balcony of Brown’s second-floor apartment. Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder, felony battery on a peace officer, and obstructing justice. From Pete Dexter’s essential 1981 profile of Brown:

 

1971

Battery charges are dropped against Brown due to a “lack of witnesses,” according to a report from Jet magazine. A deputy city attorney told the magazine that Brown was accused of “beating and then throwing two women, Claudia Anne Lemary and Carol Virginia Williams, both 22, out of his apartment and down a flight of stairs, allegedly because they refused to perform a sex act together.” From Jet’s recap:

During pre-trial proceedings, the two alleged victims, however, appeared with Brown and left with him, indicating all was forgiven, if indeed anything had occurred. At the trial, Miss Williams answered five questions put to her by Adajian before her attorney advised her to remain silent. She alleged she was injured at Brown’s apartment when “I fell down a flight of stairs.” But when asked if Brown was responsible for the fall, she purred, “Not to my knowledge.” Miss Lemary failed to appear.

1985

Brown is charged with raping and assaulting a 33-year-old woman in his home. The woman testified in court that she was friends with Brown, who invited over to his home one day, but that when she tried to leave, he beat her, then raped her with the help of his then-girlfriend, Carol Moses, 23. Moses told a grand jury that she got in a physical fight with the woman, who clearly had been beaten, after the woman “made a lesbian advance toward her,” and that Brown had tried to break up that fight, the Los Angeles Times reported. Brown told reporters, “This is ridiculous. Everybody is lying.”

The charges were dismissed by a judge, according to reports, due to “inconsistent testimony,” with changes in details such as whether Brown fully or partially penetrated her and whether he had tied her hands or forcibly held them. Research done since has shown that rape, like other traumatic events, takes a toll on a person’s memory, especially their memories of the event itself. This is why police now are advised to handle the interviews in sexual-assault cases differently than other crimes.

“We have a societal expectation that both the victim of a major crime and any witnesses to that crime ought to be able to remember with perfect clarity exactly what happened,” psychologist Rebecca Campbell told the Washington Post in 2014. “It is not an expectation that has any scientific merit.”

The year after this case, Brown told journalist Diane K. Shah that he was “very vulnerable and that “I don’t have much chance if someone wants to get me.”

1986

Brown is arrested and charged with assaulting live-in girlfriend Debra Clark. Clark, 22, told police the fight was “about a jealousy thing that happened a few days ago,” the Los Angeles Times reported, and at one point she locked herself inside a bedroom with a gun. The charges were later dropped after Clark said she did not want Brown prosecuted. “It was definitely overdramatized,” Clark said afterward. If a telephone call goes to the police station and they arrive, naturally the media’s going to get into it. Basically, we had a lovers’ quarrel, and everything is fine now.”

Speaking to Shah, Brown said he probably will marry Clark but concedes he doesn’t know how to spell his future wife’s first name.

1989

Brown’s memoir, Out of Bounds, comes out. In the book, he again said that Bohn-Chin fell from the balcony and that they had a “minor domestic dispute.” He did admit to slapping women, including Bohn-Chin, in the book. As quoted in a review in the Los Angeles Times:

“I have also slapped other women,” he wrote. “And I never should have, and I never should have slapped Eva, no matter how crazy we were at the time. I don’t think any man should slap a woman. In a perfect world, I don’t think any man should slap anyone. ... I don’t start fights, but sometimes I don’t walk away from them. It hasn’t happened in a long time, but it’s happened, and I regret those times. I should have been more in control of myself, stronger, more adult.”

1999

Brown is charged with two misdemeanors, making terrorist threats against his wife and vandalism, after his Monique Brown called 911. The first officer to arrive to the scene later testified to seeing Brown’s wife, Monique, 25, looking nervous, shaken, and like she’s been crying. Monique Brown said she and her husband got a in a verbal fight after she confronted him about his cheating. At one point, she said, he told her “he was going to kill her by snapping her neck.”

Monique Brown went to the garage, Brown followed her, picked up a shovel and began attacking her car, leaving dents and breaking the windshield, the officer told the court. She went to their neighbors and called 911.

Operator: “Monique, do you need a paramedic?”

Monique: “No. He hasn’t hit me.”

Operator: “He didn’t hit you today?”

Monique: “Not today.”

Operator: “OK. But there is a history of domestic violence, right?”

Monique: “Yes.”

Operator: “And he threatened to kill you today?”

Monique: “Yes.”

During the trial, Monique Brown recanted her own statements to the police and said what she told 911 was misinterpreted. She said she told the dispatcher she had not been hit, but that those parts were in the section of 911 tape labeled “inaudible.” A jury found Brown guilty of vandalism for smashing the car with the shovel. He was sentenced to three years of probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 40 hours on a work crew or 400 hours community service.

Three years later, in an almost literally unbelievable story in USA Today, Monique Brown would mention her husband’s jail time due to this case in the same sentence as the incarcerations of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr., while Brown himself blamed the couple’s arguments on PMS, claimed to be a victim of political persecution, and assert that what happened that night was “the opposite of domestic violence.”

“In anger-management training, they teach you never to hit a person—hit an object,” he said. “That’s what they teach you.”

2000

Brown is sentenced to six months in jail after he refused to attend domestic violence counseling as part of his sentence for smashing his wife’s car, the Los Angeles Times reported. Browns lawyer argued to the court that the counseling and other probation terms were “unconstitutional and dehumanizing.” Judge Judge Dale S. Fischer wasn’t swayed.

“The fact that Mr. Brown is refusing to get help with anger and violence only indicates to me the necessity for significant punishment,” Fischer said as she imposed the sentence.

Brown served less than four months of the sentence in 2002. When my colleague Drew Magary brought up the jail time with Brown in a 2009 interview, Brown said, “I chose to physically go to jail rather than take an assignment that was undignified to me.”

Brown, it should be noted, has beaten up men as well. While he was found not guilty of charges that he assaulted a West Hollywood man in 1969 after a traffic accident, in 1978 he was sentenced to one day in jail for beating and choking his golf partner, golf pro Frank Snow, over the placement of a ball.

Read more:

Jim Brown Did Great Things; He Also Beat Women (deadspin.com)

ROTFLMAO!  Congratulations Einstein!   You just spent all that time researching something that was never disputed in this conversation.  Everyone on the planet knows he's had multiple domestic violence incidents AFTER football.  The ignorant comment was your political label of "liberal social justice warriors" especially since some of the most vocal Watson critics still lingering since he arrived are conservatives from the poli board. They were still at it in last week's game thread railroading themselves right out of the opportunity to enjoy a huge comeback win over a very HATED rival. I doubt Steve is suddenly approving political bullshit on here but I'm going to reply to your precedent set here just this 1 post.  Coincidentally, we've had zero problems with political stuff on the football board all the while you were kicked off the board.

Anyway, accusations often arise of out of rumors and agendas.  The only part of Watson's life where he had trouble were in Houston.  Nothing was being done when Watson took them to playoffs in his 1st 2 seasons and earning Pro Bowl honors doing so. Even in his 3rd season he had his best stats.  The agendas/opportunities arised when it became clear Watson was done with Houston and the divorce between player and franchise was getting messy.  Next thing we know, there were accusations and allegations underway and an attorney was inviting and recruiting more to come forward in social media.  A couple poli board guys breaking out the moral compass on Watson all had the mentality "don't you dare bring up our last President's past about sexual harassment and put him in the same company as Watson."  

Once upon a time when Jim Brown was a football player at Syracuse University in the early 50s - both him and later Ernie Davis experienced a lot of similar racial hatred in the same era Jackie Robinson did. Anyway, a lot of people from Upstate NY to the furthest Eastern tip of Long Island heard the rumors of Jim Brown throwing a female student off a 4th story balcony somewhere on or adjacent to the campus.  When I heard rumor as a kid in the early 70s I asked my dad about it.  He said it was bullshit created by prejudiced people that didn't want someone like him to go to the same school and experience success doing so.  That was good enough for me.  When I found out Ghoolie was also aware of the balcony incident Brown was accused of - it's enough for me to know the rumor was out there beyond NY State.  Understanding it allegedly took place in the 50s long before social media was around to blow that up to more viewers and attract more media research - I can't even Google up anything about it right now in 2023.  

As a Browns fan, I'm proud of what Jim Brown did for this franchise and us fans. He's the best football player of all time. He's also helped a lot of kids (going down the wrong path in gang turf war zones) turn their lives around.  Today, I will continue welcome and root for Watson as long as he's a very important investment made on behalf our our favorite team. 

I'm a golden rule kind of guy that enjoys celebrating the Browns with the best fans in Pro Football.  It's really pretty easy to do so in here. 

[TexasAg1969]

8 hours ago, FY56 said:

No kidding? I thought pink stood for "I'm a pussy"

It's a Rorschach test. You must have passed because you are what you see.  LOL!💋

[tiamat63]

10 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Holy shitballs, @tiamat63 doesn't just live in nicker's head, I think he uses it as an Airbnb too. 

My goodness.

 

 

[syd]

The employees at these stores are the biggest offenders.. I remember when Twin Value shut down... Hell I had a cash clerk steal merch right from my bag and the manager let her get away with it... Yes ! they were BLACK! and this was in the 90's... Cocksucker ghetto mother fuckers!

 

And they wonder why White people can't stand them...

hey nickers remember saying that ?

[syd]