tiamat63

You're right, I had forgotten about that. Appreciate it.

Short answer? No Long answer. Hicks and JoK are a good nickel duo of backers. You still need to identify a consistent third for those sub packages young JoK becomes a pressure or green dog. Is that person currently on roster? Probably not. I'd expect a developmental piece, 3rd maybe 4th round, to be brought in.

All good, buddy. I like generating my own knowledge and doing those watches, learned quite a bit. Not only about Jaylan but the Texas defense as a whole. 4th-5th feels right. But it's a weak LB class, he might be bumped up just based on that alone.

I'll be on tonight, for Flugs and whomever else might want to join. Around 8:15pm EST. Again, doesn't require anything special on the end of anyone else. I host, share my screen, we all watch along and give our critique and thoughts. Jaylan Ford is on deck tonight and we'll all be going in with a fresh template. Or, at least, I will. I've never really watched him before. Link to the discord channel. https://discord.gg/RKCSxEAV

As expected - trench heavy.

You're not wrong, but the best athlete being your QB in high school has been a thing since I was a kid. It's only the last 20 years (well, I was still a kid then too) that its sort of 'trickled up'... in a manner of speak. Putting greater emphasis on athletic ability at the QB position.

And while you're certainly right, there's a reason that injury is so well known. Next to Alex Smith, that sort of thing just doesn't happen. I think the whole "safer scrambling vs in the pocket" is a bit overblown. The biggest issue between elite passers and pocket presence vs not is the ability to more efficiently move the ball in the air and avoid shots they had no business taking in the first place. Indy with their young QB in AR15 is a prime example. That kid lead himself into contact he had no business being involved in, and wouldn't have been had he been ready to be starting NFL QB. But he wasn't, the Colts overdrafted him then rushed his play in risk of long term development and long term health.

Flacco is more statue-esque, yes. But don't let a couple designed runs and some work when play structure breaks down trick you into believing that either Flacco or Watson aren't drop back passers who work their eyes and arms first. Passers with mobility have been across the NFL for a long time. Steve Young, McNair, Mcnabb, Ben, Luck, Burrow, Mahomes, etc etc. It isn't just that they are safer, you're limiting potential non-contact injuries. People forget that RG3 knees were aggravated by his lateral cutting ability as much as they were some of the shots they took. In fairness to Orion, your examples above don't work because two of them played behind the worst Olines in the NFL the last 25 years.

Explains that massive comeback against Houston.

Not to bogard the thread, obviously I'm proud of the work you guys are putting in here. Good discussion and sharing of mutual knowledge and passion. It's an extra busy time for me, which sucks because you boys know this is my element. That said, looking at setting up a community film review. Straight forward, I host, you join, I share my screen(s) and we eval a particular player. I'm looking at LB names and this Jaylon Ford kid from Texas has been mentioned several times. We'll take a clean look, find a couple game cutups and breakdown plays. How does that work for you guys? Friday night - probably 6:45p-ish?

He seems a decent kid, despite the corny ass goalpost "meditation" and he was the QB on a national championship squad. So that will also get you looks. It isn't so much his throws, as it was his decision making. 50/50. And the UM coaching staff was very intent on taking the ball out of his hands at times. On one side, I understand and JJ did what was asked of him. On the other side, there were quite a lot of times the offense failed to function when it ran through the QB. Not so much what I *am* seeing, as what I *am not* seeing. The problem is overvaluing the prospect. JJ is no better a prospect than Will Levis and he fell out of the first round entirely. I often wonder how much of these stories are cooked up by GMs and front offices that "lesser" GMs eat up and end with making a reality out of said hype.

The nice thing about watching Colson, which I still need to get back to Dutch on, is that there's all-22 available from a couple UM games this season. So out of curiosity I'm wondering why the media hype for JJ McCarthy because, uhh, the first round abilities just aren't self evident.

Watching Beebe from KState. His footwork is like going against your old man playing basketball. Nothing quick or fancy, but not a lot of wasted motion so very 'fluid'. He's a bit top heavy, but he gets a great punch in his short sets. Had a great trap on Sweat to start things off, and walled the big man really well. Does a good job not tipping his pulls and gets lateral then down the line to his target reasonably well and in tight movements. Doesn't arrive with the worst of intentions, but when he's singled up in straight drop pass pro, where he shines is his hand work and upper body strength. Wonder if home boy has spent time at tackle? Because his patient footwork and pass pro strike really scream like he's been coached there. Either way, I like what I see so far and I've only gotten through his full game against Texas and their Dline.

I really don't have a problem with you, Kvo. That said, can't help but notice ALL you do when you chime in is whine.

I'll maintain, the money doesn't concern me as much as the draft capital given up. So long as we aren't completely mortgaging the future, the dollars and sense don't worry me that much.

Likely this. And they're a pretty solid group.

Gone back to watch four full games (so far) of JJ so far in Denver's offense. Actually more pleasantly surprised than what I was expecting. He functions primarily as their Z (off ball) receiver in the Donkey's system. The pre-snap motion man so many offenses design a lot of their chain movers around. There were a couple times I could see frustration setting in, and a couple of those comments from Steve Smith hit home. Other times? I see a capable receiver who does well at his role and, in an offense that wasn't for volume passing, had more than a couple opportunities every game to contribute further if only Wilson could have more reliably found him and delivered. Including a gimmie TD catch and another for YAC that would have likely been 6 points. That's just in the quarter of a season I've seen so far. I'll have more on that later. I see the potential, but I also see the downside.

Foreman has made any mid to late round RB addition likely a complete after thought. All the more reason I believe this draft will be heavy in the trenches.

I think you're setting your sights a bit low. Just watching snaps from Carolina and Chicago last year, DFs screen game work looks so similar to how Chubb catches the ball from the backfield. Dude would be great for 10-12 carries a game beyond just obviously down to move chains.

Now THIS is an underrated signing I also like, tossed in with bringing in a better body suited to playing more upback. Liked Foreman at Texas, dude doesn't have much mileage, he's a bigger RB and he had almost 1k behind a very questionable Carolina Oline a couple years ago. I could see him as the #2 before training camp is over.

The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right. Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.

Two full games later in the season - vs LSU then Ole Miss. Just more of the same. The increase in sacks was interesting. So where A&M switched up their deployment was alternating who the 4th man was in pressure in there 3 man, odd front. If this kid is the 2nd LB off the board, it's a pretty weak draft class.

You're welcomed to like Baker. I like Baker and wish him no ill will. The last home game of his rookie season, I was there, freezing my ass off with the old man, both of us chanting "Ba-ker" with 50k other people. I appreciate his contributions to this team. Nobody is pissed off at anyone for liking him. It's the constant reminders, in multiple ways, that he's gone and that the Browns have somehow lost a savior. Even more so to the point you have "fans" actively hoping we lose or revel in losses just to 'prove a point'. THAT, is both whiny and intolerable. I can one-up your scale. Watson's 2020 season was fantastic and the result of him building off a promising 2018 and a stronger 2019. But I've said before, It is, now not or then, a trade I would have made. The money only concerns me from a salary cap perspective. The largest issue(s), and the one that would have held me back were I Jimmy Haslam, was the draft capital surrendered. It was just too steep. Then the firm 'no' from Watson's camp to begin with was the cherry on top. I get 'why' they did it. You haven't drafted and developed an elite QB in 25 years. So you took the biggest gamble trying to secure one who showed that level of promise. The downside? It's a gamble done by a snake bitten franchise. Which means it's an all or nothing investment, one that usually ties the career of it to the GM that pulled the trigger. The only saving grace for Berry is that this team has been a breath away from a wild card berth and made another just this past season. Remains to be seen if that's enough success to maintain the goodwill towards his personnel moves, should Watson have a down year and the team move on.

The metrics and numbers support what Baker has put on film, and the film supports the numbers. I've done both and shown that work on this board. The nice part about other things being so subjective, is that football is results driven in a much more clear manner.

DTR, yes. He can sit on the practice squad, no harm, no foul. I also agree he did make positive strides. Then again, when the first outing is so disastrous, the only way to go is up. It will depend on how many turnovers Winston and Huntley have in camp. If either cleans it up, that's what it'll come down to getting that 2nd spot.