52 minutes ago, Flugel said:

I didn't say I wanted to replace Ward.  I thought I carefully worded that but I was in a hurry so maybe it was sloppy.  I was thinking outloud and when he misses games to injury - the dynamics change significantly.  That's why I brought up the Denver passing game charcoal broiling Newsome with Sutton.  

All good Flug, D. Ward certainly has had some tough injury luck.

maybe to add to what Mudfly posted about losing 1st & 2nd round draft picks

 how many games, have browns GM's paid players, in missed games with the higher draft picks since 2017 ?

Add D. Watson & it's hard to image this team was still a AFC playoff 5 seed. 

24 minutes ago, Bob806 said:

The Ratbirds have Roquan Smith & Patrick Queen. Pretty good combo right there. 

My opinion is the Browns have been weak at LB since 1994. You can't rely on DBs to make all the tackles.

This ^^ Look at the final 4 teams that got in..👀 

Schwartz needs to get Berry to rethink it at the position

On 1/27/2024 at 2:55 PM, syd said:

Cleveland Browns Draft Picks by Round in 2024

• Round 2
• Round 3
• Round 5 (from CAR)
• Round 5
• Round 6 (from HOU)
• Round 6 (from BAL)
• Round 7
• Round 7 (from ATL)

Berry's going to wish he had a pair of 2nd & pair of 3rd rounders by draft time 😇

Compiled list of Senior Bowl practice studs that made some 💰 this week

NATIONAL TEAM

AMERICAN TEAM 

 Tackles? Rising sleeper? Texas swing T, Christian Jones has had better 1 on 1 reps than Tyler Guyton & Patrick Paul

https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/texas-longhorns-offensive-tackle-christian-jones-shining-senior-bowl-practice

WR class overall is loaded.. Rising sleepers at SB? Roman Wilson, Ricky Pearsall, Malachi Corley, Xavier Legette & Jamari Thash .. All have limited route trees, but tools in the box to work with 

RB & TE.. There are options to replace our RB3 (Strong) &/or TE2 Harrison Bryant in this draft class. 

Still early & risers will rise.. stay tuned & we're on to day 3

edit- Zebra speed tracking https://connect.zebra.com/SrBowlInsights

1 hour ago, Flugel said:

These are some random thoughts. The Browns BIGGEST challenge seems be what they are paying to guys that are rarely healthy.  Here's a few examples:

1.) Anthony Walker - love the leadership, experience and consistency when he does play. However, he only had 3 starts in 2022 - and it sure felt like he missed more games than he started in 2023. Seems like I'm more attracted to the IDEA of him than the REALITY of paying him to watch someone else play his position.

2.) Jack Conklin - When healthy - there isn't a better run blocking RT and he's a reliable pass protector as well.  Key word in that sentence is WHEN.  WHEN we can't ever get/keep him on the field - I'm only attracted to the IDEA of him.  The Browns gave him a generous raise/extension going into last season.

3.) Denzel Ward - Luckily, he only misses a few games a year so far so he doesn't totally fit the same concern as the 2 guys above.  That said, he's an elite corner so he's not cheap.  When he doesn't play, think back to the Denver game with Ward inactive - promoting Newsome to #1 corner covering Sutton.  I had bulimia watching that. I'm not ready to hope we give up on Ward - I'm just worrying out loud about age/wear and tear increasing the missed games each year moving forward.  If you have a Revis Island out there - you don't want post the sign "Sorry Revis Island is closed again - check back with us in a couple weeks."

I'd have to put more time into this list than feasting on Senior Bowl practices at this time..

3) We're not replacing Ward nor Newsome without any 1st round picks. Replace Ward with paying Jed Will's 5th year option, for the time being  Trade Will's  5th, to the needed Panthers or Jets for higher pick

2) Maybe wrong? But Conkin fit's #1 & believe his contract has 1 year left?

1) Paying Anthony Walker's mini contracts don't really bother me.. I just think his knee's aren't worth the risk anymore

• I may find 3 at combine tampering period to cut loose 🤣 

23 hours ago, D Bone said:

Somewhere Brandon Staley is saying "Great calls Dan, I would've done the same thing". 

 what we already knew..

Dan Campbell would handle the press conference with class with few regrets

Brandon Staley would still be telling us "than we don't know anything about 🏈"    

58 minutes ago, Orion said:

It appears that somebody has made a mistake here.  I'll say this about AVP...he did the one thing that nobody else has done this century, he won us a playoff game.

Former ST coach Mike Priefer coached the playoff win.. since, Mike Priefer landed a college coaching job at Kentucky

AVP did call plays in said playoff game 

1 hour ago, Orion said:

Either Buffalo fired him and he's actually not very good...and we made the mistake.  Or Buffalo knee-jerked and he IS good.

Can't image Stef changing anything. Listening to the offensive position coach's weekly pressers from last season. Stef, AVP, Stump & Callahan all had weekly scheme discussions they'd assist putting into the weekly game-plan.  Those position coaches just got re-booted.     

Senior Bowl measurements are updating while in progress  https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2024-senior-bowl-weigh-ins-and-measurements/

Day 1 practice will air on NFL network Tuesday from 10:30 am to 3 PM. 

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2024/1/30/24056151/senior-bowl-2024-day-1-practice-recap-wide-receivers-defensive-linemen-shine-nfl-draft-falcons

Sleeper mid-round Tackle class.. Texas Christian Jones, I see ya 👀 

Day 2 practice. AB's field location, has not changed in 2 days watching Senior Bowl WR class.. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/watch-andrew-berry-checking-in-on-the-wide-receivers-at-senior-bowl-practice

Checking in on Detroit & surrounding areas

Lions Touchdown !  21 - 7  late second quarter

I'd have paid extra just to watch Spag's all 22 coverage units.. 

Lamar 17 of 32 =246 yards  3 sacks 1 huge pick  1 TD

  No way, Andy Reid ever runs a brotherly shove with a billion $$ Homo 😇

KC 14 - 7

ACC country..

AFCN didn't need WR Zay Flowers being the 3rd WR off the board, falling into the Rats lap at pick #22 🙄

7 - 7

The Flock 31    KC 24

 49'ers  27   Lions  20

but, Roquan Smith.. keep talkin'

"and god We need a favor" 🙏

A Cleveland Browns SB in 2 years !

Shrine Bowl Practice started today.. (game Thursday 8 pm NFL network)

The Browns coach it. But Browns media does not cover it well (They can't pay @tiamat63 rates )

Player Measurements are in progress https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2024-east-west-shrine-bowl-weigh-ins-measurements/

Day 1 notes from the Yitzers  https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/2024-east-west-shrine-bowl-practice-notes-day-1/

Day 2 notes   https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/2024-east-west-shrine-bowl-practice-notes-day-2/

Day 3 notes   https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/2024-east-west-shrine-bowl-practice-notes-day-3/ 

Final practice day 4 notes https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/2024-east-west-shrine-bowl-practice-notes-day-4/

Game Thursday 8 pm.. Browns have several mid-round picks that may fit this draft class

10 minutes ago, Flugel said:

Thanks Gumbs!    Yeah, he's THAT impressive!

small stuff makes my day 🤣 

Roman makes a lot of sense. I'm not seeing a honest hard nose coach like Roman from that side of the ball. (a Schwartz) If Lamar can take hard/critical coaching? Why not D.Watson ?

59 minutes ago, Orion said:

We have a HC who calls the plays.  He's not going to stop calling the plays.  (HC's that call plays require the play-chart to be pried from their cold dead hands)   IMO, the new OC will be an assistant to the play caller.  And will hopefully bring some fresh ideas to incorporate into Stef's system.

This offensive coaching staff, started getting weird when Mayfield didn't want a QB coach. So Stef, sent AVP along side Baker on the bench with the windows tablet..  Have we seen anything change since Watson took over the position?  

Stef's thinking... OC/QB coach ? 

   Greg Roman.. not Norman  

25 Up/downs Mr. @Flugel   BE-gin on the whistle !

I'm still confused as ____________ 

So, Of this coaching group.... The game plan thinking tanks jobs are safe? 

4 Browns named AP finalists for end-of-year NFL honors

HC Kevin Stefanski: Finalist for NFL Coach of the Year

Other finalists:

• Dan Campbell, Detroit Lions
• John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens
• DeMeco Ryans, Houston Texans
• Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers

DC Jim Schwartz: Finalist for NFL Assistant Coach of the Year

Other finalists:

• OC Bobby Slowik, Houston Texans
• OC Todd Monken, Baltimore Ravens
• DC Mike MacDonald, Baltimore Ravens
• OC Ben Johnson, Detroit Lions

DE Myles Garrett: Finalist for Defensive Player of the Year

Other finalists:

• Daron Bland, Dallas Cowboys
• Micah Parsons, Dallas Cowboys
• Maxx Crosby, Las Vegas Raiders
• T.J. Watt, Pittsburgh Steelers

QB Joe Flacco: Finalist for NFL Comeback Player of the Year

Other finalists:

• Damar Hamlin, Buffalo Bills
• Baker Mayfield, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
• Matthew Stafford, Los Angeles Rams
• Tua Tagovailoa, Miami Dolphins

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-honors-finalists-announced-for-mvp-other-awards-from-2023-season

Congratulation to all nominated, The NFL Honors award show will take place on February 8.

38 minutes ago, syd said:

I can't say that i am really enamored with any of them.

Agreed.. ^^ 

 somewhat hoping the 49'ers lose this weekend

Klint Kubiak - Pass Game Coordinator, San Francisco 49ers

Kubiak started his NFL coaching career with the Minnesota Vikings as an offensive quality control coach from 2013 to 2014, where he coached with Stefanksi.

Gary Kubiak is Klint's father and assisted Stefanski during his full season as offensive coordinator with the Vikings in 2019, while Klint was the quarterbacks coach on that staff.

He took over as the offensive coordinator for Minnesota in 2021.

Kubiak, who will be 37 years old in February, now has almost a decade of experience working with offenses, and his past year on the 49ers coaching staff has made him even more intriguing to clubs searching for a new offensive coordinator.

Note: Interviewed for the Saints Offensive Coordinator job. (Zoom meeting)

Brian Griese - Quarterbacks Coach, San Francisco 49ers

While Brian Griese lacks play-calling expertise, the Browns are not looking for a play-caller. The former NFL quarterback worked under Kyle Shanahan for the last two seasons.

Griese scouted Brock Purdy and helped bring him to San Francisco. Under Griese's watch, Purdy emerged as an MVP candidate in 2023-24.

Griese will be getting looks as a potential offensive coordinator this hiring cycle.

Note: Interviewed for the Saints Offensive Coordinator job. (Zoom meeting)

 kinda shocked, more teams haven't done the same   ^ ^ ^ 

I'd have more interest in meeting with Kubiak.. more offensive background than most we've met with. 

11 hours ago, Orion said:

Sorry to see AJ Green go.  He was someone that you could pull off the shelf and put out there on the field and play your normal defenses.  Sorry to see Watkins go too...but obviously he wasn't going to play here.  Our WR situation got pretty bad at season's end and he still couldn't get on the field.  I hear that we offered him a futures contract but he decided to go elsewhere.  I can't say that I blame him.

Hard to believe WR Austin Watkins only saw 1 activation up from PS, after what we saw in preseason. 

Berry/Haslam paid UDFA AJ Green the highest bonus of 145k to sign in 2020. 100k to Watkins to stay

AJ Green playing in 34 games in 4 years in this NFL CB pricey market?   Career Earnings: $3,177,615  https://overthecap.com/player/a-j-green/9255  (click history)

• Contract Ranking: 271/289 at CB pay in 2023

Good luck, AJ Green.... Job well done as a Brown !

Jared Goff age 29, In 2024, Goff will earn a base salary of $21,650,064 and a roster bonus of $5,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $31,650,064 and a dead cap value of $5,000,000.

  UFA in 2025.. Look for a off season extension deal on J. Goff. Lions are 7th in cap space w/ 58M  😮‍💨

SEP 3 2019   Signed a 4 year $134 million contract extension with Los Angeles (LAR)

JAN 30 2021  Traded to Detroit (DET) from Los Angeles (LAR) with 2023 1st round pick (#6 - traded), 2022 1st round pick (#32 - traded) and 2021 3rd round pick (#101 Ifeatu Melifonwu) for Matthew Stafford

Stafford turns 36 in 2 days.. In 2024, Stafford will earn a base salary of $31,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $49,500,000 and a dead cap value of $86,500,000.

  POTENTIAL BUY OUT: 2026,   UFA 2027

MAR 19 2022  Signed a 4 year $160 million contract extension with Los Angeles (LAR)

Rams started hitting on them F'em draft picks, didn't they?

Great season, but max'd out by other 3 remaining teams, imo

Goff and the Lions pulling up to the NFC Championship game

#6.. There that was again..  

Yeah, we'd take a WR like St. Brown on the browns

and If Oregon Ducks RB Bucky Irving adds a Gibbs like running/passing game?  That Too !

Lions 31- 17 5 mins lefts