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We all know Ben is far above average; Hall of Fame QBs all are. He' a beast.

The hand hit the head, didn't cause any impact. It's just how it is now, you touch QB's face mask, flag.

Boy, Pitt was getting the piss beat out of them. Ben took a hellacious shot. Raiders ain't no joke. They aren't rock solid but they can beat anyone.

Bluegill? LOL. I remember those. The pond down my street was full of them.

Who? Ben?

So is Big Ben.

Oh look, it's the guy who said months ago, "I won't respond to any of your posts, don't respond to any of mine." Gee whiz, you have zero credibility. ZERO. And I'm sure you probably never even benched an Olympic bar with any weights on it. You Canal Fulton hillbillies don't see the insides of gyms. And, by the way, my OBJ takes are still in play. They will dump him before the 2021 season. Watch and learn, little one.

Pathetic (your given name here), I don't have to have ANYone agree on shit. And I certainly don't have to rely on you coherently detailing any thoughts or we'd all be waiting for months.

He was in "close contact" with someone who tested positive. Could get interesting. The "tests" are like flipping a coin anyways.

I really hate to have to explain this to you, higher is actually lower in this case. You see, being the 25th QB compared to the 1st is lower. Why am I bothering.

Why do you have to demean the team?

No problem with that, but pretty soon it will take significant $ to keep him It's all relative.

Yes I did, go back and actually read what I wrote.

I couldn't help but notice you avoided several assertions here for obvious reasons. But you are referred to as "Pathetic," so, yea, to be expected. No one forces you to read my posts, so just stop doing so. If you weren't born with the God-given skill to have adult conversations based on the Socratic model, so be it. I am not signing up to run the 100-meter sprint in the Olympics, either.

I honestly don't grasp what your point is. Somehow, you've managed to conclude I said this is a terrible team....SMH. This team is what their record says it is: can beat bad teams, can't beat the good ones. They will beat most of the Cowboys and Bengals of the league (combined 3 wins) but get curb stomped by the Steelers and Ravens of the league. And that is absolutely a HUGE improvement over the 0-16 and 1-15 type of teams, or even the myriad of 3-13 clubs. I still think their odds are good to make the playoffs. How rare is that the last 22 years? So, enjoy it.

I understand, however the two concepts are not mutually exclusive: Yes, Baker is better than what the Browns have had since Bernie. Agreed. But, at the same time, you would hope that the #1 pick overall in the draft would bring you a QB that is capable of beating teams beyond just the bad ones. He's not a rookie, as Burrow is. He is in his 3rd year. What should be expected of a QB who was the 1st pick overall in his 3rd year? Should he be noticeably improved as he was his rookie season? Is he? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm He has regressed in many areas. What have other top QBs accomplished from their rookie years to their 3rd? I don't know. Will the Browns roll out a massive extension at this point? Should Baker be paid like a Mahomes? Would that be wise?

"Pathetic." I'll just leave it there.

32 divided by 2 = 16. 20 is lower. 16 is average. Ummmmmm, it's not complicated.

I think you are dead on. It's really hard for a QB with a D that is just a sieve. Of course only scoring 6 points can't use that excuse but the weather was nasty (although the Raiders played in the same stuff and found a way to score more). But there are two problems: 1.) Baker has been below average and 2.) the D is softer than an ice milk cone in August. As far as having no one to stretch the field sans OBJ, there are teams with more wins that also do not have deep ball success, namely, Pitt and Balt. So, having a WR to "take the top off a D" sure helps, it's not a crucial element as is fielding a solid D and having a QB who can read a D and find the open target. The good news is, come 2021, the Browns can focus on adding players to fix the D, like they fixed the OL this year. I am guessing they will also add a WR with deep speed as well. There will be some good options. https://walterfootball.com/draft2021WR.php

Mmmmmm, I think I know yours: The Akron Pink Pooper.

Does someone have a gun to your head, making you read my posts? Then don't. I know your nickname is "Pathetic" around here and I get it, but I don't go around whining about your posts, because that is childish. If I grow weary of your ignorance I can just skip them, no big deal. If my vision makes you insecure, just pass, no reason to cry.

I expect better team chemistry. It's Baker's team now.

Looking at the schedule, they should. Only 3 tough games. Steelers, Ravens, TN. The rest cake walks.