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makes me wonder if we would keep 2 rostered kickers? We have done it before. Groza and Cockroft, then Cockroft and Cox.

I'd hire a full time, on staff yoga instructor. At this point all of these guys have pushed tons of weight for strength. Now, I would concentrate of maintaining the strength they have. I'd cut the weight room time in half and add yoga training. Muscles as taught as piano strings isn't good. How about adding some elasticity to those muscles? But hey, what the hell to I know?

I think most of us would like to rediscover our 2017 form.

First, I don't think you would have to Hire him. Second, just because Joe was one of the best to ever play doesn't mean he can teach that. Einstein taught students at Princeton and other universities but that doesn't mean they came out as smart. Sometimes you are the best and that is just the way it is. Some things you can't teach. You just have.

In golf, slightly side hill lies impact the shot. Holds can impact a kicker. Just a quarter inch off, or slightly more pressure on the hold can change the spin on the ball. When I see a kicker, who generally get a draw spin on the ball, slice the ball, it makes me think something was off on the hold. Golfers don't have to deal with the lie angle changing on their downswing. Kickers don't start their motion once the ball is placed. It starts as soon as the holder touches the ball. By the time the holder places the ball, the kickers leg is starting the downswing. Sorry, you just can't adjust to that...we are talking fractions of seconds. Snappers and holders have a lot to do with the success of a kick. If a snappers RPM's are off, the holder has to try to spin the laces away from the kick point. If the holders hold is leaning a bit off, the kickers isn't going to be able to kick in at his flush point. Leaning towards the kicker, you get more hook spin. Leaning away a bit, you get straight or slice spin. Straight sounds good except when the kicker normally draws it back 7 yards. Few golfers actually hit a straight ball. Actually, none. A straight ball is a slight mistake in their swing. A normal shot for them either fades or draws to some degree. That club either comes in slightly inside or outside the ball on a stock shot. Jack hit a stock fade. Arnie hit a stock draw.

Class is class. Either you have it or you don't. Having money or a lack of doesn't give you reason to not have it or ignore it.

Phil Dawson Rookie year he was 8 or 12 on Field goals with a long of 49 yards, and 23 of 24 on extra points. Phils PATs were of much shorter length, Cade York rookie year he was 24 of 32 on field goals with a long of 58 yards and 35 of 37 on extra points. He was also better on kickoffs. A few of his misses were also blocked kicks which were not his fault..I know many of you remember people complaining about Phil having a weak leg. LOL...some of you were probably the ones complaining about his weak leg. Cade attempted 7 field goals over 49 yards....he made 4. I think many of you need to reassess your opinions. Just like the opinions on QB's are outdated, your opinions on kickers are outdated. QB's now run and play in spread O's and kickers now attempt much longer kicks. This isn't 1989. The game has changed. You need to get with the times. JMO...which is correct I might add.. Oh...Lou Grozas longest fieldgoal was 53 yards. Just saying.

Kicking, snapping, and punting are the 3 skill positions on special teams. All the others are players at various position. The ST coordinator teaches coverage schemes and what that player does with-in that scheme. What lane to cover, who might switch up and do some sort of cross over block to open a lane, things like that. I am not saying Bubba doesn't know anything about kicking, but he is just a general coach at those positions. To go to your golf analogy, you and I might go to a golf pro and take lessons. Once you get to a certain level, you have pros who teach nothing but putting, or chipping, or whatever.

The reality is a ST coach really isn't a kicking coach. York has his own coaches for that. The only real thing Ventrone can do is encourage the guy. Try to relax him. That said, I am not all that worried about a missed 50 yard kick. If he starts missing extra points and 43 yard kicks, then we have a problem. If he starts pushing them next week we might see a vet FA kicker brought in.

A kicker can be brought in at any point. I don't think a missed 50 yard kick in the 1st preseason game is the time.

We could go on and on. We can leave it that if it is true, my comments stand. If it isn't, it's a non issue. I don't buy the staffing issue you present. The cabin crew is responsible for a planes turn around. There may be someone on ground who helps to remove trash, but you don't have a team of deep cleaners who enter after every flight.

If I had to guess, he sold his name a likeness and wasn't an actual money partner. He could be hurt financially in that he won't collect any more royalties, if royalties were to be paid and it wasn't structured as a one time payout for the rights. He could also be hurt if the payout was structured over X amount of years, but probably not much now that it would go to bankruptcy.

I am just going by the article. Your 2nd point doesn't matter. Our guys need to act professional and leave things clean. I agree with Nick to an extent. Were coaches on the flight or did they fly another private jet with the owners? It seems to me someone needed to take control of the cub scouts and act as den mother.

It's sad our guys don't even know how to act. No Greenbriar trip next year, which had to coast the team several hundred thousand all said. If I was Haslam, next year it's some crappy HS football field in Iowa, motel 6 accommodations, and rented school bus transport. If you act like pigs, you get treated like pigs.

haha...well, when someone doesn't seem to understand, I feel the need to clarify. If you don't need the clarification, just move on. That is what I do. It saves time.

LOL....I have always said that assholes always release a lot of gas.... As for what we are paying...just look around the league. Watson is maybe the 6th highest paid QB. As for the guarantee, all those contracts are guaranteed. Teams don't release those QB's. All of them play out the full term. Even if they get hurt the team stick with them for a few years. I think you are getting fluffed up over a word and not looking at the reality of the matter. As for not liking him or Haslam, I can respect that.

[quote] maybe the only drawback is? newly drafted rookies camps would need a start date around July 1st?[/quote] Gums.. No doubt something would need to be done for rookies and possibly some select vets, such as practice squad guys and or newly signed FA vets. I wasn't trying to be all encompassing with my earlier comment. Some way or another rookies would need some extra time to be able to get the extra walk through and light practice time to have them up to speed heading in to their first camp.

I agree. I think he will stick and be a pretty solid special team addition as his career progresses.

I think the whole training camp thing needs to be re-evaluated. I'd like to see the May mandatory mini camp eliminated. Send the players on break then, then come back with the mini camp session attached to real camp. Then teams could condition players towards full camp training in a transitioned way. I think this would help eliminate soft tissue injuries. Just skip the May, start a week or so earlier in July and slowly bring the players up to contact shape.

My reply said I don't disagree. My point is if we are going to hold individual players as complete failures as Nickers suggests, in this case Watson, then we need to do that with everybody. Not just single out one player we may not like. I like all the players I previously mentioned, but if winning the Superbowl is the standard of measure, none measure up and were complete failures, again, if winning the Superbowl is the measure of success. Hopefully that makes it clear. To make it clearer, I don't think you can hold any one individual accountable for a Superbowl win. Teams are who win a Superbowl. Same with losing. You win as a team, you lose as a team. End of story.

My reply said I don't disagree. My point is if we are going to hold individual players as complete failures as Nickers suggests, in this case Watson, then we need to do that with everybody. Not just single out one player we may not like. I like all the players I previously mentioned, but if winning the Superbowl is the standard of measure, none measure up and were complete failures. Hopefully that makes it clear. To make it clearer, I don't think you can hold any one individual accountable for a Superbowl win. Teams are who win a Superbowl. Same with losing. You win as a team, you lose as a team. End of story.

My reply said I don't disagree. My point is if we are going to hold individual players as complete failures as Nickers suggests, in this case Watson, then we need to do that with everybody. Not just single out one player we may not like. I like all the players I previously mentioned, but if winning the Superbowl is the standard of measure, none measure up and were complete failures. Hopefully that makes it clear. To make it clearer, I don't think you can hold any one individual accountable for a Superbowl win. Teams are who win a Superbowl. Same with losing.

My reply said I don't disagree. My point is if we are going to hold individual players as complete failures as Nickers suggests, in this case Watson, then we need to do that with everybody. Not just single out one player we may not like. I like all the players I previously mentioned, but if winning the Superbowl is the standard of measure, none measure up and were complete failures. Hopefully that makes it clear.

I don't disagree, but if we apply Nicks criteria for Watson, it sure is. Joe Thomas didn't win us a Superbowl, or even come close for that matter. He was a player on some of the worst teams in NFL history. What did Sipe do...he didn't win a Superbowl, he's a schmuck. Bernie, he didn't win, he is just a clod. Clay Matthews, no wonder he isn't in the HOF, he didn't win anything. They should just remove his name from the HOF ballot. Those guys didn't do anything more to help us win. They are all pretty much the same as Jim Bundren or Zukaskis.

I have often said that anything but a Superbowl win is a failed season. So if we are going to stick it on individual players, all of our players since the 1964 championship team have been complete failures.