Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer

[bbedward]

Happens every game. Not only that, but you don't have to just load up the box to stop the run. You can play man and simply dedicate your interior D to stopping the run, leaving maybe a safety high just for a deep chuck.

 

Thats what teams do. Its not an argument anymore.

 

No it doesn't, but you're right it isn't an argument. We had teams more committed to stopping the run pre-Mack injury (but Pitt, NO, BLT, TN still couldn't contain either our run or pass game) than we did post-mack injury (Jax, Oak, TB, HOU) - Cincinasty being the exception, but we had ourselves in many more rushing downs. This is considering higher box counts, which would likely include only 1 deep safety. If you would pay attention you would realize that on many of Hoyer's incompletions in the exceptionally bad games against Jax and now Houston they came on plays with a 3-4 man rush and everybody back in coverage - whether that includes 2 deep safeties or not.

 

There's certainly some good analysis and discussion that could be made on failed passing plays (What went wrong - inaccurate, pressure, nobody open, wrong read), but you choose not to participate in any of it - maybe because you have a lack of understanding for the game of football.

[WinstonLegthigh]

There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?

 

I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?

 

Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?

 

 

You are singling out one player, the o line has been bad at times, as have the wide receivers, along with the run D, special teams, and hoyer. We are saying the team as a whole has played bad, and we cite specific examples based on specific games. You on the other hand cry about hoyer every game, even when he plays well. Your obsession over him sucking, when he is actually probably the best qb we have had since 99, is what makes it seem like you are not a "true browns fan".

 

You also never seem to enjoy the win, even after the cincy game, you came on and cried more about hoyer.

[upper lip]

You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.

I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.

This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.

Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.

I point out what is going on. It's no secret our receiving crew, running game, and pass protection combined isn't ideal to win football games. Hoyer's gotten way more out of this team than should have. I'll come back to you next year when we have Mack back and gordon playing

[PlaygroundLegend]

Thats so true Stockton..

 

"Hoyers Heros" always come with the line that the "Manzealots" care more about Manziel than the team.. if thats true then they are just as guilty

[Mudfly]

you came on and cried more about hoyer.

Hahaha.

 

It's the ONLY thing he does. And it's not a discussion. It's a 6 month, 50,000 word, 457 hour non stop rant. He has devoted his LIFE to being here and repeating the same thing over and over and over again

 

You'll learn.

[WinstonLegthigh]

Hoyers tonsil ticklers has a better ring to it.

 

My favorite is:

 

I know Manziel sucks and will never make it in the NFL. I never wanted him drafted and i hope we can trade him ...but i support him fully!

 

Its like calling your kid a failure and telling them they wont amount to anything, then adding in ...but i support you!

 

lol

Haven't seen anyone here say that, although I am sure some, me included, have doubts about manziel. I don't "know" anything, I have an opinion about him. I do know that if he was winning games, and showed the leadership abilities hoyer has, I would support him.

[Tour2ma]

Can't explain how dumb this list is.

 

Denver got Peyton Manning. They were going to be good either way.

 

Seattle was 7-9 before Wilson

Arizona (who I don't think belongs on this list) was 5-11 before Palmer

Indy was 2-14 before Luck

Chiefs were 2-14 before Smith

Packers are the best scenario, they were 13-3 before Rodgers, then 6-10 his first year (after sitting 4 years) and they had to rebuild the roster around him.

 

None of those teams were "Ready" teams before they got their QB (Except maybe Denver) They all grew with their QB. As did Atlanta (as someone tried to throw in Matt Ryan as "rushed too soon" that guy has been the #1 seed and in a NFC Championship. By this boards standards thats HOF quality).

A superior mind should be able to explain things... yet you never make a case that withstands scrutiny. Why is that?

 

Seattle... Bottomed out at 4-12 under Holmgren. Rose to 5-12 in Mora's only year. Then posted straight 7-9's in Carroll's first two years.

In 2010 Carroll added: Okung, Thomas, Tate, Chancellor and a fellow named Lynch.

In 2011 Carroll added: Moffitt, Wright, Sherman and Browner.

The table was set...

 

Colts... Were 10-6 and 14-2 the two years before the year they tanked to draft Luck. Painter struggled at while Manning recovered from neck surgery... which he did during the season... but still was not played. How many other players did they instantly add in Luck's rookie year as they rebuilt around him?

 

Chiefs... simultaneously added Andy Reid who revitalized the franchise after Crennel lost the "locker room".

 

I could go on, but am no longer amused enough to bother.

[Tour2ma]

Kudos to the Mods for funneling all the garbage into this one thread.

 

Many thanks...

 

It was a dirty, thankless job... now it's only a dirty one.

[StocktonShorts]

Kudos to the Mods for funneling all the garbage into this one thread.

 

Many thanks...

 

It was a dirty, thankless job... now it's only a dirty one.

Dont worry the big one is still lingering out there as a stand alone and will be making a reappearance when the right time comes

[WinstonLegthigh]

Dont worry the big one is still lingering out there as a stand alone and will be making a reappearance when the right time comes

Don't know what this means, but it sounds fucking horrible.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Don't know what this means, but it sounds fucking horrible.

 

He's talking about my dick.

[WinstonLegthigh]

 

He's talking about my dick.

So I was right then

[J0hnnybg00d]

Watch the language fellas... one of the mods is on her period.

[USFBrown]

Watch the language fellas... one of the mods is on her period.

Fuck off cum dumpster

[J0hnnybg00d]

Lmao... make that 2 bitches on their period.

[The Gipper]

Lmao... make that 2 bitches on their period.

And there you are, sniffing their crotches.

[J0hnnybg00d]

Sweet, capt save a ho comes to the rescue...

[Ibleedbrown]

Sweet, capt save a ho comes to the rescue...

What does this mean?

[WinstonLegthigh]

Sweet, capt save a ho comes to the rescue...

Somebody needs a midol.

[hoorta]

There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?

 

I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?

 

Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?

 

 

 

It's because you're shoveling blame on Hoyer for those losses. Go shovel some blame on "franchise quarterbacks" Breese & Ryan for their teams LOSING records. So regarding the Texans- The Browns defense gave up 200+ yards rushing to F**king backup RBs. That's on Hoyer. The Browns defense didn't get within 5 feet of Mallett on dropbacks, except when their center snapped the ball 12' over his head. That's on Hoyer. Crowell fumbles- that's on Hoyer. A 100 yard kickoff return gets called back on a penalty- that's on Hoyer. Austin gifts an interception to the Texans that hit him in the numbers- that's on Hoyer.

 

You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.

 

I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.

 

This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.

 

Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.

 

Bluntly, you've got about no legs left to stand on- seen me calling Hoyer a franchise qb lately? Anyone else? YOU have issues Stockton- a one trick pony of Hoyer bashing.

 

Thats so true Stockton..

 

"Hoyers Heros" always come with the line that the "Manzealots" care more about Manziel than the team.. if thats true then they are just as guilty

 

I call it 6-4 PGL- I respect your right to think Manziel is the better qb- eventually- but that time isn't now. It's f**cking insanity- and I said as much to toss JFF out there now- when the Browns still have a very legit shot at the playoffs. The conclusion would be- either the coaches know what they're doing- and you don't, or You can damn guarantee me throwing Manziel out there now is going to have dramatically better results than what Bortles and Carr have done so far. For the record, I'll take 6-4 over a combined 1-19 and 74 qbr.

 

Kudos to the Mods for funneling all the garbage into this one thread.

 

Many thanks...

 

It was a dirty, thankless job... now it's only a dirty one.

 

I'll put on my Mod hat for a minute, and give everyone a piece of my mind. The Z-man must have merged the threads, as he should have.

 

The only reason Stockton hasn't been kicked off yet is we'll tolerate dissenting opinions on this board to a fault. Even if they're totally nuts, or flat out stupid. Stockton's opinion about starting Manziel & potentially throwing the season in the toilet, and Ghoolie's "O-line is dime a dozen" fall into the previous category, and Poetic G's opinions about McCoy and Richardson fall into the latter.

 

I'll say this to Stockton- give it up already- you're not going to change anyone's mind, we all know your opinion- in spades. You're not impressing me- or anyone else- with your inflated self opinion of your football acumen. Playground Legend will attest- on the other board this thread would have been locked long ago as an exercise in futility.

[StocktonShorts]

As I've said teams only play the run against the Browns. They don't care about Hoyer, he doesn't scare them so they load up against the run. You keep trying to tell me that this isn't the case. Thats your Hoyer love blinding you. Everyone else sees it. Grossi. Hammer. McManamon. Banner. Even bloggers that were once touting Hoyer Destroyer himself....

Keep arguing against reality. Look at the stats below. I've told you all along, since day 1 that history would be kind to my words.

http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/11/18/browns-loss-to-texans-exposes-problems-that-were-there-all-along/

The writing was on the wall for this melt down. The Texans didn’t do anything really different from the script on beating the Browns. They got up early, stuff the box against the run, forced Brian Hoyer to throw a lot of passes. They attacked the Browns defensive line with a high number of rushing attempts. If you can stick to that formula, you will beat the Browns 90% of the time.

The numbers don’t lie. The Texans focused on taking the run away from the Browns early, and like most teams since Alex Mack went down, were successful. Crowell broke loose once for 35 yards, but overall only got 14 touches and 65 yards. Terrance West only got 5 carries for 12 yards, and Ben Tate only 2 carries for -9 yards. Granted, the run game wasn’t great, but the Browns only ran the ball a total of 21 times this game. They threw the ball 50 times. That means they had a 70/30 pass to run split.

The problem is that Brian Hoyer is A.) Not a good enough quarterback to win football games without an effective running game, and B.) Not good enough to throw the ball 50 times in any game, ever. Hoyer set a franchise record for most in-completions in a game with 30, and 40% completion percentage. The thing is, this should not be a surprise. Hoyer has an NFL low season completion percentage at 55.7%. Hoyer is ranked 21st in total touchdown passes, 20th in Quarterback Rating and 22nd in QBR. He’s average at best over the course of a full season, and will not win games on his own. This is a reality the Browns are going to have to face.

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I’m not picking on any one player or coach here. The thing is, the Browns have had the same issues virtually all season. They’re ranked 30th against the run over 10 games. They’re starting quarterback is ranked dead last in accuracy, and gets noticably worse the more you ask him to throw. That’s not just guesswork. In games where Hoyer has thrown more than 40 passes, his completion percentage is 45.8%. In games where he’s thrown 30 or more passes, 51%. In the 4 games where Hoyer has thrown under 30 passes, his completion percentage skyrockets to a very respectable 65.59%. That would put Hoyer 9th among active quarterbacks on the season, if he held to that and the Browns kept him at 30 or fewer passes per game.

[Ibleedbrown]

History!!! There it is! BOOM!

 

That's what l'm talkin' about.

 

I'm talking Gettysburg, I'm talking the Mayan muthafukkin' empire, and l'm talking about my main man, my main MENSA man, and his gobs and gobs and gobs of words about one dude.

 

You think that's wierd? It's real fuckin' wierd. But you can't mess with history.

 

History!!!

[hoorta]

Can't quit can you Stockton?

[upper lip]

well if we're going to be dumb and look at stats instead of a player's intangibles let's take a look at the advanced stats rankings

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 B.Hoyer CLE 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 T.Romo DAL 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54

 

 

back to reality... brian hoyer has all the intangibles and make up of a good - maybe great - quarterback. if you want to ignore that and look at stats out of context thats fine for you, your choice. let's see what hoyer does with mack and gordon next season

[upper lip]

well that graph didnt turn out how i thought.....

[upper lip]

jist of it: advanced stats say brian hoyer is the 8th best quarterback in the league... that graph turned out icky

[StocktonShorts]

Clarity.

Amazing post.

Brian Hoyer won't be the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns next year so you won't get a chance to see him with Mack and Gordon.

[upper lip]

Clarity.

 

Amazing post.

 

Brian Hoyer won't be the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns next year so you won't get a chance to see him with Mack and Gordon.

hahahahahahaahaha whose going to be the QB of the browns than?

[StocktonShorts]

 

well if we're going to be dumb and look at stats instead of a player's intangibles let's take a look at the advanced stats rankings

 

 

 

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 B.Hoyer CLE 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 T.Romo DAL 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 G.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54

 

 

 

 

back to reality... brian hoyer has all the intangibles and make up of a good - maybe great - quarterback. if you want to ignore that and look at stats out of context thats fine for you, your choice. let's see what hoyer does with mack and gordon next season

 

 

jist of it: advanced stats say brian hoyer is the 8th best quarterback in the league... that graph turned out icky

 

Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.

 

You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.

 

You can find that exact, correct, chart here....

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

 

 

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Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.

 

You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.

 

You can find that exact, correct, chart here....

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

 

yup thats it. dont know what happened. operating this stuff on my phone got all fucked up.

 

and i'll take 13 especially after sunday's game. should be alot higher by end of season with gordon back