Gunman attacks Planned Parenthood

[OldBrownsFan]

Well if any party needs to sacrifice their values, regardless of what you guys think of them, in order to win elections then really what's the point?

WSS

 

The republicans took back the House in 2010 with a statement being made that the country did not want Obama ramming his agenda through, wanted divided government and checks and balances put in place to prevent something like Obamacare being rammed through again. In 2014 the country gave even more support to republicans when they took control of the senate to put a check on Obama's agenda and now the republicans control two thirds of the government and yet we see Obama pretty much getting everything he wants and the GOP acting helpless to stop him. There is a big rift in the base of the party these GOP elites are not getting. The base sees what is going on with republican candidates making promises to win elections and then going to Washington and not following through.

 

Pat Caddell, Democrat truth-teller: government has lost the consent of the governed

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[StinkHole]

Possibly but if it means the GOP stops pandering to people like cal and takes a more centrist stance they could steal a lot from the democrats

Oh please. "Centrist" or "compromise" to democrats means their way or the highway.

 

The GOP is already centrist. That's why the Tea Party emerged... and the term RINO.

 

The objective of democrats is to destroy opposition, no matter what Republicans say or do it will never be good enough because they are still Republicans.

 

Case in point: Nearly every Republican came down hard on Trump after he stated that Muslims should be banned from travel to the US.. So what does Harry Reid say?

 

"Donald Trump is standing on the platform of hate, and, I'm sorry to say, hate that the Republican Party has built for him."

 

He's not sorry to say, he's happy to say. You know it and I know it.

[gftChris]

Oh please. "Centrist" or "compromise" to democrats means their way or the highway.

 

The GOP is already centrist. That's why the Tea Party emerged... and the term RINO.

 

The objective of democrats is to destroy opposition, no matter what Republicans say or do it will never be good enough because they are still Republicans.

 

Case in point: Nearly every Republican came down hard on Trump after he stated that Muslims should be banned from travel to the US.. So what does Harry Reid say?

 

"Donald Trump is standing on the platform of hate, and, I'm sorry to say, hate that the Republican Party has built for him."

 

He's not sorry to say, he's happy to say. You know it and I know it.

Yes, the GOP has centrist elements, but also tea party elements, and at the moment is trying to cater to both. In a few election's time, might we start seeing Tea Party as a separate entity? Seems like Cruz, Carson and maybe Trump would fit that, where Bush, Paul & Kasich would stick with the more centrist GOP remains.

 

They would face a battle to win an election in the short term, but might be set up much better in the long.

[OldBrownsFan]

For all the hoopla about the republican party being too conservative or being run by the TEA party not much is said about the democrats swinging far to the left. At one time there were conservative democrats in their party but they have gone the way of the dinosaur:

How far to the left can the Democratic Party swing?

http://www.dailycommercial.com/opinion/article_64e4bc7f-071e-5f30-8c87-cb64cf59f139.html

 

 

How the left took over the Democratic Party.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/left-took-over-democratic-party-109348#ixzz3ugMkr1On

[gftChris]

Sure, and it's reflected in Bernie Sanders' surge of popularity. I think the difference is people see Sanders as someone who is sticking to his principles, while people like Cruz are seen as pandering to a base while being loyal to their donors. Of course things could look different depending on your viewpoint but broadly that's how it's coming off.

[Westside Steve]

Yeah well I doubt it's as noble as you would like to paint it. There has always been and will always be a socialist contingent not only in the United States but everywhere. Same thing with libertarianism. The reason Support is there is that people believe in those movements not necessarily that the messenger is so pure of heart.

 

WSS

[gftChris]

Yeah well I doubt it's as noble as you would like to paint it. There has always been and will always be a socialist contingent not only in the United States but everywhere. Same thing with libertarianism. The reason Support is there is that people believe in those movements not necessarily that the messenger is so pure of heart.

 

WSS

Anything particular about Sanders that makes you feel that way?

[jbluhm86]

 

For all the hoopla about the republican party being too conservative or being run by the TEA party not much is said about the democrats swinging far to the left. At one time there were conservative democrats in their party but they have gone the way of the dinosaur: How far to the left can the Democratic Party swing?

http://www.dailycommercial.com/opinion/article_64e4bc7f-071e-5f30-8c87-cb64cf59f139.html

 

 

How the left took over the Democratic Party.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/left-took-over-democratic-party-109348#ixzz3ugMkr1On

I wouldn't disagree with you that some members of the Democratic Party are pretty far left. But I think that it has more to do with how polarized both parties are today. A significant portion of Tea Party has radicalized the GOP which, in turn, lead to the far leftist elements of the Democratic Party becoming more prominent as a counter-response. The biggest knock on the GOP/Tea Party their social policies, I believe that the independent voters, which usually swing elections in favor of one party over another, might not necessarily like how far left the Democrats can get, but still caucus with them because of the GOP/Tea Party social polices.

 

And, to be honest, if the Tea Party focused more on fiscal and global policies and less time alienating voters with their moral majority-driven social issues, then the electorate would favor them more over the ultra-liberal Democratic members.

[Westside Steve]

Anything particular about Sanders that makes you feel that way?

Feel what way?

I'm saying that socialists will vote for a socialist candidate.

WSS

[Westside Steve]

Also JB, it seems to me that's exactly what the Tea Party focuses on. Their opposition, meaning the Democrats socialists and mainstream media, prefer to make up motives or the focus on issues that aren't very high on their list of platform planks.

 

WSS

[gftChris]

Feel what way?

I'm saying that socialists will vote for a socialist candidate.

WSS

Feel like Sanders is 'less noble' than he makes out?

[OldBrownsFan]

I don't belong to the TEA party but "taxed enough already" sounds about right when we are collecting a record amount of taxes but our national debt keeps growing proving we have an obvious spending problem. Our mainstream media can distort or slant any news coverage they want and they do it all the time. I saw it in 04 when I went to see president Bush speak at a rally with 30,000 people and a handful of demonstrators. I saw no more than at most a few dozen demonstrating with some in crazy outfits but when I watched the national news the reporters made such a fuss about these few protesters and spent half the segment on interviewing them it gave a false perception to the viewers that there was a significant protest going on when in fact there were so few they were irrelevant.

 

The media did the same with Tea party rallies by focusing on a few extremists in the rallies who did not represent the Tea party at all.

[Westside Steve]

Feel like Sanders is 'less noble' than he makes out?

I'm a little bit of a cynic.

I've noticed you don't have any trouble painting conservative candidates with that brush.

What makes you feel Sanders is more honorable than his opponents?

Besides the fact that his politics or more in tune with yours?

 

WSS

[StinkHole]

A beautiful, spot on rant done by none other than the great RL.

 

And you assholes say the GOP needs to be more centrist?....and the GOP wonders how and why Trump is the man?

GOP Sells America Down the River

I have a headline here from the Washington Times: "White House Declares Total Victory Over GOP in Budget Battle." That headline's a misnomer. There was never a battle. None of this was opposed. The Republican Party didn't stand up to any of it, and the die has been cast for a long time on this. I know many of you are dispirited, depressed, angry, combination of all of that. But, folks, there was no other way this could go. Because two years ago when the Republican Party declared they would never do anything that would shut down the government and they would not impeach Obama, there were no obstacles in Obama's way and there were no obstacles in the way of the Democrat Party.

When you surrender the power of the purse -- and that's the primary power the House of Representatives has. Not a penny of money can be spent in this country by this government without the House of Representatives authorizing it. Obama can spend all he wants, but if the House doesn't give him the mechanism, he can't spend any of it. But the Republicans squandered that. They gave up the power of the purse. The reason they did that is because for some inexplicable reason, they are literally paranoid and scared to death of even being accused of doing something that would shut down the government.

Some people today looking at this, and this is 2,009 pages. It's said to be a spending bill. Among the things that it does, it fully funds Obamacare.

It fully funds Planned Parenthood. That, to me, is unforgivable, with everything now known about what goes on behind closed doors at Planned Parenthood, and that the federal government, led by a Republican Party, sees fit to pay for it.

This spending bill fully pays for Obama's refugee plans, fully.

This spending bill, this budget bill quadruples the number of visas Obama wants for foreign workers. This is even a slap at American union workers. Not the leaders. The union leaders seem to be in favor of it, but blue-collar people, known as working people, have been sold down the river along with everybody else here.

This spending bill even fully pays for every dime asked for by Obama on all of this idiocy that's tied up into climate change. Everything Obama wanted, everything he asked for, he got. You go down the list of things, it's there.

This was out-and-out, in-our-face lying, from the campaigns to individual statements made about the philosophical approach Republicans had to all this spending. There is no Republican Party! You know, we don't even need a Republican Party if they're gonna do this. You know, just elect Democrats, disband the Republican Party, and let the Democrats run it, because that's what's happening anyway.

And these same Republican leaders doing this can't, for the life of them, figure out why Donald Trump has all the support that he has? They really can't figure this out?

"According to Sessions, the American people elected Republicans to the majority in Congress in 2014 as a rejection of the Obama administration's immigration policies," and any number of other things. "'That loyalty has been repaid with betrayal,' he said.

RUSH :Sanctuary cities, fully funded. All Mideast immigration programs, fully funded. All these things that have been exploited by terrorists.

Sanctuary cities, fully funded. All refugees, fully funded. The release of criminal aliens, fully funded.

Everything!

The Democrat leftist wet dream has just been paid for.

[OldBrownsFan]

Stuart it will be interesting to see how this plays out for republicans. It seems to me there are a whole lot of republican voters who are not happy with those republicans we elected to help curb Obama's agenda and yet they fund everything and more that Obama wants. Sure Ryan got one concession for big oil but I think the GOP elites are going to find out what happens when you ignore a big part of your base.....they will stay at home in November thinking why even bother

[gftChris]

I'm a little bit of a cynic.

I've noticed you don't have any trouble painting conservative candidates with that brush.

What makes you feel Sanders is more honorable than his opponents?

Besides the fact that his politics or more in tune with yours?

 

WSS

The main thing that strikes me from Sanders is that he's been pitching the same thing for decades now, and it hasn't changed, often to his detriment. The people/corporations that everyone says you need to 'win over' - wall street, big oil, pharma etc - are the ones he's going after.

 

Meanwhile you have people like scott walker (no longer in the race obviously) who pulls $250m funding for university of wisconsin, and then gives $250m in funding to a basketball team owned by one of the major backers of his presidential campaign.

 

Or Ted Cruz, who was at least part responsible for the shut down of government over obamacare (costing billions) - and then signs up for it himself, presumably because it's the best option for him, never mind the principles.

 

Ben Carson's 'dealings' with a certain dietary supplement chain are well documented, no need to go in to that.

 

Carly Fiorina is still going on about the planned parenthood hoax as if it were factual. If you want to have an actual debate about abortion, go for it, I'm sure people will listen, but basing it on those videos is stupid.

 

Meanwhile, Hillary is schmoozing wall street as best she can, assuming she's automatically won the nomination because it's 'only' sanders and nobody will take him seriously, and because she's a woman, and because it's her turn. I can honestly not name a single policy of hers outside of 'hey, people seem to like Obama, let's do more of it' or 'I'm a woman, if you don't vote for me you're sexist'

 

 

People like Sanders, and Rand Paul, who are actually trying to have an intellectual conversation about how to improve the country but from different perspectives are ridiculed as being too this/that/other, and the headlines go to whichever candidate has come out with the most outrageous headline - to date, mostly Trump, and mostly not Hillary because she's done little to no campaigning.

 

 

So in a (large) nutshell, that's why Sanders strikes me as being more genuine than other candidates, from both sides. You seem to have me pegged as a 'Sanders must win because he's a socialist' guy. I want to see him do well because I think he has good ideas, but I also want to see Rand Paul do well because I think he has different ideas, and I genuinely think they're both in it for the betterment of their country, not as a status symbol, not because some big sponsor wants a pawn, not for the lucrative after-dinner speaking engagements afterwards.

[The Cysko Kid]

nah. Now, I do have emotions about my upcoming knee replacement surgery.

 

And thanking God I don't live anywhere else in the world.

 

I made the mistake of watching a video of knee replacement surgery online.

 

dammit.

Knee jerk replacement surgery?

[gftChris]

Knee jerk replacement surgery?

Worn out ligament, wasn't jerking properly, needed replacing...

[Westside Steve]

And yet neither Bernie Sanders nor Rand Paul are running on the socialist or libertarian ticket.

 

Anyhow I don't recall accusing you of thinking we must vote for anyone here in the colonies. I do assume Bernie Sanders would be your pick .

 

If I am incorrect and you would back Donald Trump, Ted Cruz or Hilary I apologize.

 

WSS

[gftChris]

I'd like to see a Sanders vs Paul election, but the main reason is everyone else is either incompetent or a sleazeball (or both, usually).

[calfoxwc]

Knee jerk replacement surgery? Cysko

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dammit, that was pretty good.....

 

But fear is an emotion, and everybody has them to a point.

 

But being 24 x 7 ruled by them is a liberals' mo.

[calfoxwc]

A significant portion of Tea Party has radicalized the GOP which, in turn, lead to the far leftist elements of the Democratic Party becoming more prominent as a counter-response. Jblu

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I wish this was at least entertaining and not just completely wrong.

 

You ever hear of George McGovern? He ran for pres. He was very, very left.

and he got hammered in the election. He was a democrat. That was a long

time ago, Jblu, and it was a long, long bunch of years before the Tea Party

ever came into existence.

 

Now, you go ahead and explain how the Tea Party had a cool time machine,

and went back into the past, and made Mcgovern happen. Take your time.

[jbluhm86]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-no-evidence-of-crimes-in-planned-parenthood-videos/

 

Judge: No evidence of crimes in Planned Parenthood videos

 

SAN FRANCISCO -- Recordings secretly made by an anti-abortion group at meetings of abortion providers do not show criminal activity and could put the providers at risk, a federal judge said Friday, citing the recent shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic.

U.S. District Judge William Orrick made the comments during a hearing over the National Abortion Federation's request for a preliminary injunction that would continue to block the release of the recordings. Orrick did not immediately issue a ruling. He previously issued a temporary restraining order blocking the recordings pending the outcome of the preliminary injunction hearing.

The Center for Medical Progress has released several secretly recorded videos that it says show Planned Parenthood employees selling fetal tissue for profit, which is illegal. Planned Parenthood has said it abides by a law that allows providers to be reimbursed for the costs of processing tissue donated by women who have had abortions.

The videos have riled anti-abortion activists and fueled discussion in Congress about cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood.

The National Abortion Federation filed a lawsuit in July, saying members of the Center for Medical Progress infiltrated its meetings and recorded its members. The federation of abortion providers says the release of any audio or video would put members in danger.

Orrick seemed to agree, saying doctors who have appeared in videos released by the center have received death threats. He also cited suspected arson at abortion clinics and the November shooting at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic that left three people dead and nine wounded.

A law enforcement source told CBS News justice and homeland security correspondent Jeff Pegues that as suspect Robert Lewis Dear was being taken into custody after the Nov. 27 shooting, Dear said "no more baby parts."

During a court hearing earlier this month, Dear declared, "I am guilty, there will be no trial. I am a warrior for the babies."

After the shooting, Planned Parenthood officials also linked the attack to the "negative environment" created by the anti-abortion critics of Planned Parenthood services.

Catherine Short, an attorney for the Center for Medical Progress, said there was no evidence the Colorado shooter was motivated by the group's videos or that doctors have been directly threatened.

The release of the recordings is vital to furthering public discussion about topics such as whether the country's abortion laws are too loosely written, she said. The center says in court documents its work is the equivalent of investigative journalism and protected by the First Amendment.

"It's beyond dispute that this material is of significant public interest," Short said. "I don't think this court should be saying the public can't handle the truth."

The National Abortion Federation says the recordings violate agreements the center entered into not to make such recordings of any meetings or discussions at the federation's conferences and not to disclose information learned at its conferences to any third party without first obtaining the federation's consent.

"Here clearly, our expectation was that we were creating a safe place for our people to dialogue and learn and address problems," said Linda Shostak, an attorney for the National Abortion Federation.

Shostak said evidence of a crime might trump the confidentiality agreements, but there was no such evidence in the recordings.

[calfoxwc]

Jblew...seriously ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.

 

Yeah, that's how obamao's judge ruled alright....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Orrick_III

 

obamao NOMINATED HIM.

 

and...

 

Campaign Contributions[edit]

According to the Public Citizen, a non-profit, consumer rights advocacy group, William H. Orrick III, who was employeed by Coblentz, Patch, Duffy & Bass, raised at least $200,000 for Barack Obama and donated $30,800 to committees supporting him.^[9]

[The Cysko Kid]

Jblew...seriously ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.

 

Yeah, that's how obamao's judge ruled alright....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Orrick_III

 

obamao NOMINATED HIM.

 

and...

Campaign Contributions[edit]

According to the Public Citizen, a non-profit, consumer rights advocacy group, William H. Orrick III, who was employeed by Coblentz, Patch, Duffy & Bass, raised at least $200,000 for Barack Obama and donated $30,800 to committees supporting him.^[9]

Well he's got a point there. That's a bought and paid for democrat judge who will rule in leftist interest 100% of the time

[gftChris]

Well he's got a point there. That's a bought and paid for democrat judge who will rule in leftist interest 100% of the time

This is true. And a bought and paid for republican judge will rule the other way 100% of the time.

 

It's a shame that modern day america seems to only have one or the other.

[calfoxwc]

Yet, the libs on the supreme court ALWAYS vote the party line.

 

And Robertson votes with them, and he is supposed to be the

conservative.....

[gftChris]

Yet, the libs on the supreme court ALWAYS vote the party line.

 

And Robertson votes with them, and he is supposed to be the

conservative.....

The fact that someone is voting across party lines should be indication enough that it's a serious issue worthy of non-partizan consideration.

[OldBrownsFan]

Yet, the libs on the supreme court ALWAYS vote the party line.

 

And Robertson votes with them, and he is supposed to be the

conservative.....

 

When the democrats get the chance to nominate a supreme court judge they never miss the opportunity to get a died in the wool liberal appointed. Unfortunately the republicans try to placate the democrats and avoid a big senate fight on confirmation and appoint people like Roberts and even worse George Bush Sr. once appointed very liberal justice Souter. I don't think you would ever see the democrats do that but that is our republican party never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Gay marriage would not have been voted for by the supreme court except for a republican appointed Kennedy.

[MLD Woody]

And now, because gay marriage was voted on to be allowed, your life is ruined. Right?