Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 So Cleve, you're saying that in retaliation for the hacks, we sloppily knock off an ambassador, in public, to one of our allies? What exactly are we gaining there? If anything it benefits Russia as it now gives them pretext to increase their influence in the area and generates more public backing for their little Middle Eastern foray. If this was state sponsored, which I highly, highly doubt, you're pointing your finger at the wrong country. If it was the U.S, it's simply retaliatory. And i beleive that's exactly what this was. It's not about gain, it's about the outgoing president giving one last fuck you to Putin. I made no statement that this was a good thing to do if it was the U.S. I'm just saying, if i was betting man....my money would be on some form of U.S influence here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 If anything it benefits Russia as it now gives them pretext to increase their influence in the area and generates more public backing for their little Middle Eastern foray. Public backing from whom? The middle east hates the Russians. If anything there's probably a lot of people in that region with a smirk on their fact today. But like I said, I almost guarantee Erdogan was involved somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 I'm not buying the CIA hit-job theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Public backing from whom? The middle east hates the Russians. If anything there's probably a lot of people in that region with a smirk on their fact today. But like I said, I almost guarantee Erdogan was involved somehow. Public Backing from the Russian people, fool. Who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 This is Russia we're talking about, Putin doesn't need their backing....he tells them what they back and they don't. C'mon man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 If it was the U.S, it's simply retaliatory. And i beleive that's exactly what this was. It's not about gain, it's about the outgoing president giving one last fuck you to Putin. I made no statement that this was a good thing to do if it was the U.S. I'm just saying, if i was betting man....my money would be on some form of U.S influence here. If that's the case, it's a weak fuck you. If there is going to be retaliation, it'll be much more destabilizing for Putin. Think along the lines of going after his inter circle, a misinformation campaign, hurting their economy, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 If that's the case, it's a weak fuck you. If there is going to be retaliation, it'll be much more destabilizing for Putin. Think along the lines of going after his inter circle, a misinformation campaign, hurting their economy, etc. I agree, but it was a fuck you nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 No way on the West's involvement. It's ISIS or some Muslim faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 This is Russia we're talking about, Putin doesn't need their backing....he tells them what they back and they don't. C'mon man I'm not a savant when it comes to Russia but I know enough to tell you that is complete horseshit. Why do you think Putin has become more aggressive and antagonistic towards the U.S and the West in general? Here's a hint, it started happening shortly after oil prices plummeted and Russia's economy started nose diving. It's strongman 101 bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 I agree, but it was a fuck you nonetheless. Oh it was a fuck you, just not likely of our making. Correlation doesn't imply causation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 So Cleve, you're saying that in retaliation for the hacks, we sloppily knock off an ambassador, in public, to one of our allies? What exactly are we gaining there? If anything it benefits Russia as it now gives them pretext to increase their influence in the area and generates more public backing for their little Middle Eastern foray. If this was state sponsored, which I highly, highly doubt, you're pointing your finger at the wrong country. Yep, that sounds about right. Russia is already talking about if not actually ramping up 'preservation of its interests' or whatever in Turkey. Turkey has been caught helping ISIS, and both Syria and Russia are very anti-ISIS. I would normally say it's stupid for a country like Turkey to poke the bear (hey, bear!) but Erdogan is a colossal ass clown, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Because thats how it had to look chris. They couldt use a cia hitma or something like that. They got to this cop somehow and turned himRealize how much it grieves me to give any credence to this guy at all but if the CIA is any good whatsoever they probably have various ways of making an assassination appear. Got to switch up the mo. Like that I think the CIA is behind this but if they were... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Realize how much it grieves me to give any credence to this guy WSS Oh it grieves you? How much does it grieve you? Gimme a number.....quantify this for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Oh it grieves you? How much does it grieve you? Gimme a number.....quantify this for me Hard to put a number on it but rest assured it just went up by 1 or 2. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Cleve is getting smacked around like a little bitch in this thread? Lmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Cleve is getting smacked around like a little bitch in this thread? Lmao! Steve just said he agreed somewhat with me, albeit painfully. I see u still cant read well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hard to put a number on it but rest assured it just went up by 1 or 2. WSS Only 1-2? Im off my game evidently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Steve just said he agreed somewhat with me, albeit painfully. I see u still cant read wellAgreed with what? That you're a female lesbo wearing flannel with a Velcro wallet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Agreed with what? That you're a female lesbo wearing flannel with a Velcro wallet? Those female lesbos eh? Much worse than the male lesbos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 I would normally say it's stupid for a country like Turkey to poke the bear (hey, bear!) but Erdogan is a colossal ass clown, so who knows. And you guys wanted to let Turkey into the EU. Not that it'll really matter for you guys post-article 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 And you guys wanted to let Turkey into the EU. Not that it'll really matter for you guys post-article 50. I'm not sure where to even begin with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Those female lesbos eh? Much worse than the male lesbos.I had to add "female" because the eventual comeback would be something like..."ya that's right I like women". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Those female lesbos eh? Much worse than the male lesbos. Nothing wrong with working a bit redundancy into ones vocab right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 And you guys wanted to let Turkey into the EU. Werent the brits and the austrians the major eu members against letting turkey in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Agreed with what? That you're a female lesbo wearing flannel with a Velcro wallet? Omg ur an awful troll, just stop this is an embarrassment. Please....while u still have some dignity left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Werent the brits and the austrians the major eu members against letting turkey in? It doesn't matter what you want when you're in the EU, the EU decides for you and you bend over and accept it. Which is why brexit happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Well i thought u were insinuating to chris that his country wanted turkey in the eu....im asking if u know thats true.....not looking to discuss eu internal structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 You don't know wtf you're talking about Cleve watch tv for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 You don't know wtf you're talking about Cleve watch tv for a while. Id like a double whopper hold the cheese, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 If like a double whopper hold the cheese, thanks.It doesn't come with cheese so no sense holding it sir. Since your wife is too lazy to cook would you like that in a combo meal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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