Marc1971 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 14 hours ago, wargograw said: You guys are actually gonna act like you’re vindicated because Hairtrigger Jimmy might agree with you on something? Lol ok. I don't agree wit Jimmy, Jimmy is the problem, dare I say Jimmy is the #1 enemy (a Steelers loving crook). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Everytime I hear of one of these purges I remember the old sayings it's easier to get rid of one manager than 25 players or one coach than 53 players. Same with the FO, you're chopping off the head of the snake.....you're still stuck with the carcass for a long time until it rots away. And the Cleveland Browns revolving door of futility continues, NEXT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I've heard from a couple of different reporters, that Kenny Britt is not hurt...he got benched by Hue. Just think, the morons in the FO that gave Britt a 4 year $32 million dollar deal, got benched after his 5th game of the season in his first year. And is there any Browns fan that has confidence in letting these same clowns pick in the upcoming draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Canton Dawg said: I've heard from a couple of different reporters, that Kenny Britt is not hurt...he got benched by Hue. Just think, the morons in the FO that gave Britt a 4 year $32 million dollar deal, got benched after his 5th game of the season in his first year. And is there any Browns fan that has confidence in letting these same clowns pick in the upcoming draft? Exactly...I've been saying this for several years. Why do we get excited about first round draft picks?...why do we suggest trading for more draft picks? If we've proven anything, it's that we have no idea how to judge talent. We always get stuck with these arrogant geniuses who are " smarter than everyone else", so they pass on the obvious choice, to pick some loser. Yes, Jimmy...fire all their asses today!...screw the idiots who say you have a quick trigger finger. It's your team, correct your mistakes. But, then...please hire knowledgeable, sincere football people to turn this crap into a real professional football team. Oh....if it's true Britt was benched, I have no problem with it. He sucks, and should be wearing a ski mask when he accepts his pay check. Another washed up, overrated player that these idiots picked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 16 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Can we actually hire someone with front office experience instead of a sexy name with no coaching or front office experience please? Peyton would likely bring someone like Bill Polian on with him....to consult or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Well whomever they reached out to isn't currently employed as I believe contact with any current FO member or Exec is prohibited during this part of the year. I.E.... Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Well whomever they reached out to isn't currently employed as I believe contact with any current FO member or Exec is prohibited during this part of the year. I.E.... Peyton. Theres nothing to stop Jimmy and Peyton from talking behind closed doors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, nickers said: Theres nothing to stop Jimmy and Peyton from talking behind closed doors... There is nothing to stop them from talking openly from what I understand, other than courtesy to the guys under contract and the desire to keep any talks quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 So many elite players we've had on the board and traded away since 2014 The Raiders essentially rebuilt their team by drafting the two guys we should have. Mack and Carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 19 hours ago, jbluhm86 said: http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2017/10/15/report-browns-begin-searching-for-new-football-executive/ The only part I put any faith in is the denial of the the "report" which interestingly labels it both "false" and "erroneous". That said... I have to ask "why the use of two words in the denial that are essentially synonyms?" One potential explanation is that while we are "searching" we are not looking for a new "GM guru", but rather lower positions. In this case the report is false in that we are not looking for a new top dog, but also is erroneous because we are looking. I have no doubt we are looking to add "football" talent to the FO. Doing so is part of the FO process. I've written about this before. It's a key element of any continuous improvement process. Some members of the FO now have two years of track record. The weakest of these, likely 10 - 20% of the staff, are prime candidates for dismissal either for prospects they backed or prospects they failed to ID. And either way these prospects don't have to be on our roster for their work to be evaluated. I even feel it is likely our FO is emphasizing adding/ improving talent in QB evaluation. While I am not ready to anoint every young QB we have passed on, even ones with more of a resume' such as Wentz, let alone the early flashes that are Watson and Trubs, our need to sharpen our evaluation capability is looking evermore important with the looming QB class... and our continuing need at the position. This could even involve the use of P. Manning as a "Special Consultant". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 One more thing... If I am wrong and we revert to a traditional, football guru at the top FO... ... then I am outta here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, SD_Tom said: So many elite players we've had on the board and traded away since 2014 The Raiders essentially rebuilt their team by drafting the two guys we should have. Mack and Carr I hate hearing from people on this board talking about players we should have taken. If we had taken Carr, he would've been more beat up than he is now. The fact is we've been trying to get good talent, but we don't give coaches enough time. Our fans want the coaches to go after one or two years. I still think we need to give them at least 3-5 years. Again, no team has a worse record than we do when it comes to firing coaches. How many have we had since '99? I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: One more thing... If I am wrong and we revert to a traditional, football guru at the top FO... ... then I am outta here... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: One more thing... If I am wrong and we revert to a traditional, football guru at the top FO... ... then I am outta here... Tour, Hue I'm not sure about- the post game ranting was just more frustration. We haven't drafted that poorly. Garrett, Peppers, Njoku all ok in my book. You know how I feel about Kizer. But after Hogan stunk the place up, we're going to see Deshone sooner than later. I'll shoot you a PM later tonight when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: One more thing... If I am wrong and we revert to a traditional, football guru at the top FO... ... then I am outta here... Aw, come on, we're Browns fans for life, regardless of how bad we suck. And you know the suckage is extreme, when a Texans fan feels so sorry for you they bought me a Heineken. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 hours ago, nickers said: Theres nothing to stop Jimmy and Peyton from talking behind closed doors... Should have phrased that better. My meaning being that Peyton is one of the few candidates Haslem can talk to because of that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Why? Here as in done with the Browns. I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: Peyton would likely bring someone like Bill Polian on with him....to consult or otherwise. I would hope. Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec. I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Going to hang a curve ball right over the plate or just piling on..October 31st 4 pm is Trade Deadline Day.. the mystery Football Executive comes into play way before the draft..#73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I would hope. Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec. I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name. Yes, certainly that is a big part of it. Another big part of it is: What the effing ell do we have to lose trying this? The concern that we are not being patient? Or is it pride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 45 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Here as in done with the Browns. I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done. So you beleive in analytics so much that bringing football people in would disgust you so much? Im not 100% against analytics, it has its place but it might be in other sports. I want former high level players making draft decisions, not a bean counter. You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on...lets say a QB... of a guy like manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I knew that this rebuild was going to be ugly, and I knew that even though Browns fans seemingly were overwhelmingly behind the hiring of Hue, that they'd turn on him in a second when all the losses came. Losses that were inevitable when the majority of your team is rookies and second year guys. I also know that years ago this fanbase was solidly behind using the 3rd overall pick on Troy Smith. It is what it is. That being said, I don't have a problem with the idea behind this rebuild, or even how it's been done (in general... I don't think all the vets had to be jettisoned considering the massive amount of cap space, but whatever). The problem I'm having now is with the execution of the plan. I have some doubts, to be honest. I still would like to see this organization intact into next season, but I don't think it is happening. Will it be a wholesale change? That I don't know... but someone/some people IMO are going to pay at the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on And the answer is Kenny Britt & Tretter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, gumby73 said: And the answer is Kenny Britt & Tretter? <sigh>. Evidently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Here as in done with the Browns. I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done. Completely Agree Tour. I really enjoy the philosophy and method this FO is using but its really in its infancy in our organization. My issues have been with coaching and scheme some personal preference and some obvious misuse. I just cant get my head around the fact we grabbed so many athletic in space playmakers and run a scheme thats predicated on low percentage plays better suited to veteran players. A good example is the vertical passing game is greatly enhanced when a wily vet can get the PI calls. Britt for example Excelled GREATLY in Crossing routes as did Cody Kessler AND Sammie Coates but we rarely run them now... Funnily enough Kessler had the Highest QB Rating in the league on these routes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 38 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said: Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week. He really likes him some pierogies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Here as in done with the Browns. I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done. I agree and disagree. I believe in the draft capital approach to an extent - I don't believe in how we've gone about identifying the talent. I still can't find it in myself to get past a couple of the players we ignored. This is where i believe Sashi needs his role reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Canton Dawg said: Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week. Was he looking at houses in berea too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 No Strongsville, he buying a house next door to Bill Cowher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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