TexasAg1969 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, wargograw said: Sorry guys. I'm not even married. I should have said "if." Will edit. Honestly, I thought about pulling a Costanza and just accepting the condolences. LOL You should have said nothing whatsoever. That was incredibly insensitive. Don't "fix" it with an "if". That does nothing. Delete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, hoorta said: I'd say the odds of having another Parade next year approach zero. Will just the parade affect our ability to sign free agents? That will be a minor factor, MHO. The 0-16 $hitshow will be 10X more important in guys minds about wanting to play here. Especially any top guys who not only want to get to the playoffs, but win a Super Bowl in their career. I think LeBron got it right. Sure, 0-16 is one thing, but a parade... I'd love to hear LeBron's response if somebody asked him if that would affect a FA decision... Obviously the record will stop the vets who want to win a SB from coming, but we need FAs who are a little younger and want their 1st big contract... coming off their rookie contract, and want to be starters w/ the chance to make a major impact on this team. Thats why we shop the 2nd string amd WR3s... these guys need an opportunity to prove themselves.. I honestly dont want any 3rd contract guys who only want a paycheck... ala Britt most recently, and many others before him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 52 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: per some of the interviews - it seems that some of the fans showed up to say despite the no win season, they still wanted to come out to support their team and show they would never quit. Many others were just ridiculing the Browns for letting them down, etc etc etc.It was a disaster, in my book. The "parade" was a disgrace overall - the Browns have a lack of players to be competitive, not a desire to lose and disappoint the fans. Give the Browns a legit qb, wr's and a few db's....and the Browns are a very, very competitive, winning football team. The parade was a loser. Mocking the last season was the last thing fans should have been doing. That wasn't what the Parade was about. Of course the players tried as hard as they could to win a game or two- but they didn't. If they want to think the Parade was directed at their lack of effort- it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Footwear Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, thenew23 said: Shelton made a good point. If this parade changes even 1 FA's mind about coming to Cleveland then these fans did themselves and the rest of us fans a major disservice. We'll never know for sure, but this was an embarrassment that could make the FO's job even harder. Regardless of the "intent" of the parade, you cannot change how others react to it. Players will see this and say "I don't want to go there and be embarrassed by those fans". A lesson to you all (from a behavior specialist), you cannot chose how others perceive your actions. Same as what happened with the anthem protest. You CANNOT choose others' interpretations. If kneeling is disrespectful in somebody's opinion, telling them your "intent" does not make the action less disrespectful in that person's view. If a player views the parade as an embarrassment, you cannot change their opinion by saying it was about "passion" and "sticking it to the FO." Sorry, just not how the world works... Saying we should have a 0-16 parade is one thing, kind of funny; however, actually doing it was just stupid... Fat boy Shelton should realize that maybe no free agents want to come because they don’t want bums like him for teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofJoeSixpack Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 9 hours ago, RoyceRolls said: I like that the city still cares. If Pittsburgh or Cincinnati had to endure what Browns fans have the past three years, there’d be no protest. Patriots Jersey sales would just go through the roof. I doubt it. You'd never see a Patsies jersey on anyone in Pittsburgh, unless they'd relocated from Boston. Can't speak for Cincy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr.Footwear said: Fat boy Shelton should realize that maybe no free agents want to come because they don’t want bums like him for teammates. Or crybaby cork soaking cnts like you marching around the stadium. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 51 minutes ago, GhostofJoeSixpack said: I doubt it. You'd never see a Patsies jersey on anyone in Pittsburgh, unless they'd relocated from Boston. Can't speak for Cincy though. The band wagon would be prettty empty after four wins in three seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Dude, keep digging that hole. Try defending your point. You can't. It was terrible. 2 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Man, this parade has people just busting out some really, really awesome analogies! Going to a parade for the 0-16 season is not only like mocking someone's hypothetical wife after she miscarries, but it's just like crucifying Jesus and, um, wow. Yeah, I think we officially need to move on from this subject. It's gotten silly. It's bad arguments such as yours that bring the analogies. You have yet to even come close to arguing how the analogy is not apt. 2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: You should have said nothing whatsoever. That was incredibly insensitive. Don't "fix" it with an "if". That does nothing. Delete it. No. The components of the analogy are the same. There's someone/thing you love. There's a failure. And there's you mocking the person for it. Simple as that. Yes, family is tighter than a football team. Yes, a miscarriage is worse than 0-16. But the point stands that to mock someone you love to make yourself feel better about their failure is idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 ^ wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I hear manqueer signed with Canada. Maybe the troll will go north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 8 hours ago, wargograw said: No. The components of the analogy are the same. There's someone/thing you love. There's a failure. And there's you mocking the person for it. Simple as that. Yes, family is tighter than a football team. Yes, a miscarriage is worse than 0-16. But the point stands that to mock someone you love to make yourself feel better about their failure is idiotic. Do your future wife a favor. Don't propose until you've changed significantly. Try to explain this conversation to the women in your Sunday school class and listen to the reactions. Then maybe you will get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Do your future wife a favor. Don't propose until you've changed significantly. Try to explain this conversation to the women in your Sunday school class and listen to the reactions. Then maybe you will get my point. Some people feel like they are the only sane person in a insane world. The truly insane are certainly a scary bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I was late to the party. Are we comparing mocking your old lady over having a miscarriage to airing your grievances about a bad football team? Wowza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 These conversations would never exist without the Shmucking internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: These conversations would never exist without the Shmucking internet. Yeah if my friend did it I would mock him for being dramatic and comparing a personal tragedy to a team playing like garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: These conversations would never exist without the Shmucking internet. True. If you remember when Cleveland lost the team in 1995 the public outcry was HUGE! Houston on the other hand had near zero public support when they lost the Oilers, there were more media at their rally than fans. Public interest is important even with a 1-31 team effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domcucch1994 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Im glad they had the parade.. This organization sucks and the fans still stick by them.. What other winless teams get parades in their respective cities by diehard fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, domcucch1994 said: Im glad they had the parade.. This organization sucks and the fans still stick by them.. What other winless teams get parades in their respective cities by diehard fans? I think if they had concentrated more on the parade being a Protest of the deplorable condition of this team...it would have had more merit. They did not emphasize that point of the parade enough. Get Hue the fuyuck out of town....but not until he has been baptized in Lake Erie in January. Get Jimmy the fuyuck out of town. Make that trade where he gets the Tennessee Tits and leaves us alone....with whatever new owner he can trade with here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 15 hours ago, hoorta said: That wasn't what the Parade was about. Of course the players tried as hard as they could to win a game or two- but they didn't. If they want to think the Parade was directed at their lack of effort- it's wrong. 23 hours ago - The Browns have a dismal 1-31 record over the past two seasons. Cleveland Browns fans hold mock parade to protest winless season ... www.foxnews.com/.../cleveland-browns-fans-hold-mock-parade-to-protest-winless-seas... 2 days ago - Cleveland Browns fans have not celebrated an NFL championship since 1964. Browns fans come together to mock terrible team with parade | New ... https://nypost.com/.../browns-fans-come-together-to-mock-terrible-team-with-parade/ 2 days ago - Browns fans gather for a "Perfect Season" parade Saturday to mock their team's 0-16 season. ... CLEVELAND — Chanting through chattering teeth, Browns fans finally felt victorious. ... Thousands of disgruntled Cleveland fans, some of them calling for owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 16 hours ago, thenew23 said: Shelton made a good point. If this parade changes even 1 FA's mind about coming to Cleveland then these fans did themselves and the rest of us fans a major disservice. We'll never know for sure, but this was an embarrassment that could make the FO's job even harder. Regardless of the "intent" of the parade, you cannot change how others react to it. Players will see this and say "I don't want to go there and be embarrassed by those fans". A lesson to you all (from a behavior specialist), you cannot chose how others perceive your actions. Same as what happened with the anthem protest. You CANNOT choose others' interpretations. If kneeling is disrespectful in somebody's opinion, telling them your "intent" does not make the action less disrespectful in that person's view. If a player views the parade as an embarrassment, you cannot change their opinion by saying it was about "passion" and "sticking it to the FO." Sorry, just not how the world works... Saying we should have a 0-16 parade is one thing, kind of funny; however, actually doing it was just stupid... Awesome post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 44 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: 23 hours ago - The Browns have a dismal 1-31 record over the past two seasons. Cleveland Browns fans hold mock parade to protest winless season ... www.foxnews.com/.../cleveland-browns-fans-hold-mock-parade-to-protest-winless-seas... 2 days ago - Cleveland Browns fans have not celebrated an NFL championship since 1964. Browns fans come together to mock terrible team with parade | New ... https://nypost.com/.../browns-fans-come-together-to-mock-terrible-team-with-parade/ 2 days ago - Browns fans gather for a "Perfect Season" parade Saturday to mock their team's 0-16 season. ... CLEVELAND — Chanting through chattering teeth, Browns fans finally felt victorious. ... Thousands of disgruntled Cleveland fans, some of them calling for owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam to Go have yourself a mocktail Cal. Editorial choice of words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 19 hours ago, hoorta said: I'd say the odds of having another Parade next year approach zero. Will just the parade affect our ability to sign free agents? That will be a minor factor, MHO. The 0-16 $hitshow & the fact that Jimmy kept Hue will be 10X more important in terms of negative impact in guys minds about wanting to play here. Especially any top guys who not only want to get to the playoffs, but win a Super Bowl in their career. I think LeBron got it right. agree, and added some additions in bold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissyBoyFloyd Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Sorry, didn't read whole thread, but did anyone mention where one can now watch the parade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 19 hours ago, thenew23 said: Shelton made a good point. If this parade changes even 1 FA's mind about coming to Cleveland then these fans did themselves and the rest of us fans a major disservice. We'll never know for sure, but this was an embarrassment that could make the FO's job even harder. Regardless of the "intent" of the parade, you cannot change how others react to it. Players will see this and say "I don't want to go there and be embarrassed by those fans". A lesson to you all (from a behavior specialist), you cannot chose how others perceive your actions. Same as what happened with the anthem protest. You CANNOT choose others' interpretations. If kneeling is disrespectful in somebody's opinion, telling them your "intent" does not make the action less disrespectful in that person's view. If a player views the parade as an embarrassment, you cannot change their opinion by saying it was about "passion" and "sticking it to the FO." Sorry, just not how the world works... Saying we should have a 0-16 parade is one thing, kind of funny; however, actually doing it was just stupid... Great post! Leads me to a short phrase I use often..."Perception is reality" Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: I think if they had concentrated more on the parade being a Protest of the deplorable condition of this team...it would have had more merit. They did not emphasize that point of the parade enough. Get Hue the fuyuck out of town....but not until he has been baptized in Lake Erie in January. Get Jimmy the fuyuck out of town. Make that trade where he gets the Tennessee Tits and leaves us alone....with whatever new owner he can trade with here. Do you know how to tell when a Hue has been baptized? The bubbles stop!🏊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, SissyBoyFloyd said: Sorry, didn't read whole thread, but did anyone mention where one can now watch the parade? On Uranus.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, The Gipper said: On Uranus.com Don't forget the 3 D glasses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 52 minutes ago, SissyBoyFloyd said: Sorry, didn't read whole thread, but did anyone mention where one can now watch the parade? It’s on the page 1 of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 42 minutes ago, Canton Mike said: Great post! Leads me to a short phrase I use often..."Perception is reality" Mike As Al Davis said “Just Win Baby “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Tour2ma said: 20 hours ago, thenew23 said: Shelton made a good point. If this parade changes even 1 FA's mind about coming to Cleveland then these fans did themselves and the rest of us fans a major disservice. That's a riot. The FANS are scaring away FA's. Man that's funny stuff. I suppose it was the FANS that made Kyle Shanahan wash his hands of the Browns organization.......it was the FANS that drove Alex Mack away. It's the FANS and this parade that have had potential draft picks stating they don't want to come to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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