miktoxic Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 ugh. play per play, really? hope you've got nothing to do for a long, long time. go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Swope apparently retired because of concussion issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPOUND! Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Next possession. 2nd play is a very nice view of Manziel standing in the pocket and no panicking. goes through all FOUR receivers and comes back to the top of the list and hits a receiver adlibbing and coming back to the QB, fast throw and accurate... Again, this is where Manziel gets hated on I think after watching this game and the Alabama game... As a QB if a lineman gets free and is going to grab the QB and sack him, this is where Manziel avoids being caught and sacked.. 9 times out of 10, those "crazy Johnny Football" moments came from him avoiding being sacked or being forced to throw the ball away... Why is it that he has "happy feet" in the pocket? I have yet to see him throw the ball away OR take a sack OR run away out of the pocket for no good reason. He seems allergic to wasting EVEN ONE DOWN.. If he is going to take a sack or have to throw the ball away, it seems he chooses to pull the ball down and make something happen with his feet.. I realized that Swope is a TE and this bodes well for the Browns as he will have a hell of a TE to throw too. Two very nice plays where he fakes the inside HB run and they bite both times, nice throw to Swopes on the run and catches him in stride.. Nice HB run.. TD. BobPound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Swope played for the Cowboys last year and hes a 6'3 200lb. Reciever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPOUND! Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 This isn't play by play.. I am watching what will likely be our QB at some point in the future.... I am not some Manziel Fanboy, as I never watched him play until I watched a replay of the Texas AM/Alabama game, and now this one. Both games are almost identical. A super fast paced offense that overwhelms the defense.. To finish this up.. Manziel throws yet another excellent slant pass to the outside to Swopes.. he catches in full stride and takes it to the outside to score... Great pass...... Going to end it here as the game is probably over at this point.. I will fast forward to see if they win with any more points. Synopsis... He has a great release, great anticipation of where receivers will be.. Makes his reads and progresses through them for as long as he can and instead of having to take the sack or throw the ball away or make a bad decision.. He makes moves and runs and usually gets forward progress. His height appears to be an issue for throwing over the top to the inside, he seems to only be comfortable throwing to the middle after he has rolled out and can get some vision of the middle.. Excellent out side throws and seems to be able to throw the long ball with some decent touch.. But not a bomb thrower.. But I don't like that in a QB anyways.. So few are good at that.. He made quite a few bad decisions to run the ball on designed passing plays.. Pulling the ball down when he saw an opening.. Those openings will not be there in the NFL for long... He leads with his head.. another problem.... I don't think he should be taught to slide as this is how QB's get hurt in my opinion.. He just needs to be taught to use those fast moves to get to the sideline and get out. Seemed poised the whole game.. Between him and the Center, they called an ENTIRE GAME in the 2 minute offense. Called some successful audibles from the line.. Never seemed flustered .. And didn't throw any bad interceptions.. The one that is on the record was an easily caught ball deflected by the WR.. AND NO SACKS! I am pretty impressed by his play.... I watched a few games with Bridgewater and Bortles and Carr and by far I feel the fundamentals of Manziel are far superior.. Plus the added bonus of fast legs and his ability to run.. I think we got the best QB pick... Bobpound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaplesBrowns420 Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 The Brandon Weeden era is one play away. That sentence right there almost made me choke. I think my head almost popped as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22. That being said, I just don't know if his play (could care less about his persona and everything else that surrounds him) is going to translate in the NFL. I hope it does with every fiber of my body as I am tired of loving a loser. "Most" of us think he will either be the next HoF QB, or the next Eric Zeier. I am in neither camp and am filled 50/50 with high hopes, and fear. I will root for Johnny when he gets his chance, just like I root for anyone wearing the orange, brown and white laundry. In the end, history will be the only one that tells Johnny's story. Some of us will proclaim ourselves as geniuses, while others simply forget what they said about him. Hopefully my hope wins out, and kicks the crap out of my fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 alright. he's a brown. i get it. but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else? this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum. show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum. a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan. wasted space on some server some where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 It was a very good gamble pick. He may be a media darling and the talk of the draft but I will reserve judgments till I see some Sunday games. Not to many people have the right attitude on this pick whether it being to high or low. He wasn't even the first qb taken and probably shouldn't have been. Not many elite Qbs drop like a rock like he did. And homos I don't wanna hear ohhhh what about Aaron Rodgers that is a bluemoon situation. His first test of being elite comes when he wins the starting qb job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPOUND! Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22. That being said, I just don't know if his play (could care less about his persona and everything else that surrounds him) is going to translate in the NFL. I hope it does with every fiber of my body as I am tired of loving a loser. "Most" of us think he will either be the next HoF QB, or the next Eric Zeier. I am in neither camp and am filled 50/50 with high hopes, and fear. I will root for Johnny when he gets his chance, just like I root for anyone wearing the orange, brown and white laundry. In the end, history will be the only one that tells Johnny's story. Some of us will proclaim ourselves as geniuses, while others simply forget what they said about him. Hopefully my hope wins out, and kicks the crap out of my fear. I agree completely... I do not think he is ready to play yet and even if Hoyer isn't ready on day 1, the other backups should start in front of him. He needs to play hard in the Pre-Season and understand how much faster the NFL is going to be. I think they should let him start at least once with the first team(maybe 3rd or 4th game) just so he can see how fast and how punishing those DB's can be and maybe he will learn to find the open man, instead of running. he needs work, no doubt... BobPOunds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPOUND! Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 alright. he's a brown. i get it. but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else? this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum. show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum. a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan. wasted space on some server some where. What is your problem? I NEVER WATCHED MANZIEL before two weeks ago.. Been a browns fan since 1979 and Brian Sipe.. I didn't do a PLAY BY PLAY of the entire game.. I have read most of your posts since draft day on Thursday and they are all the same.. Some kind of deep anger towards someone... Take a breath and enjoy the few months we have, before reality sets back in... BobPound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 alright. he's a brown. i get it. but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else? this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum. show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum. a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan. wasted space on some server some where. Still one Justin Gilbert thread, buried on the second or third page. 827 Johnny threads. I love Browns fans, but we sure do get gay about QBs. We will win a Super Bowl when we have a Championship Team. Hopefully Johnny plays a role in that, just like RW did for Seattle. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPOUND! Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Still one Justin Gilbert thread, buried on the second or third page. 827 Johnny threads. I love Browns fans, but we sure do get gay about QBs. We will win a Super Bowl when we have a Championship Team. Hopefully Johnny plays a role in that, just like RW did for Seattle. Zombo Well you have to admit that the Browns have a tendency towards QB drama, so I would expect that the ratio of people commenting on a QB pick versus a super solid pick for DB should be about 20 to 1.. There is little to no debating that Gilbert was the best pick for us at that spot, especially with the 1st round pick cherry in 2015 thrown on top... Manziel is a little less so.. There were a lot of good players on the board at 22(or 26 if we didn't trade up).... You have to expect that all the talk is going to be focused on QB for a long time... Well that and Josh Gordon's impending suspension.... Part of being a Browns fan.. BobPound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPOUND! Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 LOL! All you have to know about this game is the looks on the faces of the Stoops brothers as he continued to run, dodge, jump, throw and fly past them on the sidelines with a lot of OU's superfast players in his wake. At one point they were both jumping up and down in total frustration as Johnny passed right by them on the sideline for a 30-40 yard run. And his tightrope TD along the other sideline with a last second high hurdle over a 3 foot high invisible goal line was pure JFF. Just a hill country deer hopping the fence for a little more corn. But Honestly TexasAG, those are his worst moments in the game, even thought they ended up being great to watch football. He has good fundamentals, and if he learns to stand just an extra 1 second in the pocket before bring the ball down and running, he will last a lot longer in the AFC North... He hasn't had to play against the insane blitzing schemes of the Pittsburgh Steelers or the absolutely skull crushing Linebacker's of the Baltimore Ravens. Nor has he had to run in ten below wind chills and howling 30 Mph winds... He needs to take a piece of humble pie and realize that his Johnny Football persona is going to hurt his team if he goes down with a separated shoulder because he went head to head with an NFL linebacker... He has good fundamentals, he needs to sit in the back seat for a while and learn how the NFL works... It will do himself and the Browns no good if he is thrown to the lion's like Couch was in 1999.... What I do like about the EGO though, is that he is going to need it here in Cleveland.. Because there is no other city that abuses its QB's more than Cleveland.. Remember the dog pound applauding when Couch went out with an injury... Harsh..... BobPound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Because he is now "our guy" I hope that he does not have a career like Bernie....or a career like Brian Sipe....but a career like Joe Montana or Otto Graham. Will he have that kind of career? Who the hell knows. When you have a Bart Starr going in the 17th round, a Johnny Unitas being cut by his first team, A Joe Montana being drafted in the third round, a Brett FAvre being drafted in the second round then being traded for handful of beans, a Russell Wilson going in the third round, a Dan Marino lasting until pick #27 (at that time just one pick up from a 2d rounder) god knows what kind a draft position you can get a great QB from. Of course, sure, you do have your Bradshaws, Elways, Aikmans, Mannings, #1 overall guys that live up to it. (but you also have your Jeff Georges, Jamarcus Russells etc.. #1 guys that basically suck) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Manziel will start day 1. Hoyer is not even cleared for contact. The throngs will call for Johnny, and Johnny they will get... or they'll tear the fucking stadium down. You don't draft Elvis Presley in his prime and sit him behind Justin 'Beaver'. --------------------- They should have just drafted Watkins, Carr and Hyde. Ahh.....but Johnny Football is hardly in his prime.. even Elvis spent a few years as the backup act to Slim Whitman and Bill Haley and the Comets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 We always get new fans when we draft a QB (almost every year) and I have been with the attitude of lets see it.. Texas fans with Colt, Oaky ST. fans with Weeden and so forth.... Some of us are kinda jaded. Johnny is a great College player.... Hoping he does us well. By the way Welcome aboard. That does not bode well for the Browns...taking all those old Southwest Conference School QBs (which is the league the OP still remembers I'm sure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Ag, I'm one of those guys who cheered for Jimmy Brown too. The selection of Johnny has me more than ANY pick since I was 10 years old in 1956. That pick was Jimmy Brown. There are a lot of skeptics out there & I may be wrong about Johnny, but I don't think I am. This kid's skills, intangibles, & determination to keep improving are off the charts. BTW, welcome! Mike Actually, getting Bernie Kosar in the supplemental draft was every bit as big as this.....just without the internet connections. And there was the drafting of LeBron, probably even bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalty Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I feel like the one thing that will make or break our team is continuity. That goes for coaching and QB. I am hoping Farmer can be to us what Newsome is in Baltimore. Manziel, while I wasn't a fan of his (or a person hoping he'd be drafted by us) has a chance in my mind. I will give him a few years to develop - as I know he is raw and will need time. This coaching staff reminds me quite a bit of the Steelers under Cowher and Pettine reminds me quite a bit of him as well. They need to stick it out with this staff and let them coach the team up rather than blow it up after 2 or 3 seasons of 5-11, 6-10... I think we will be competing for the division in the next three years and eventually we will take it over if we can keep the concept of continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownSouthKC Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Well, he should. Hopefully he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Tempering expectations for the fans and media mostly. Otherwise after the first incompletion we'll be hearing the Johnny chant. Granted I'm sure that'll happen regardless but at least Haslem is making the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Show the link. I find it hard to believe the owner of the Browns would say that about any player. Sound like bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 & Johnny is such an arrogant prick? Is there a link to this comment? Kinda hard to believe he would say something like that publically. I don't see a realistic upside to that. Let coaches make that comment. It's not his job to temper expectations for the media and the fans. His job is "to help the team and god willing, things will work out." Well considering it's his franchise, he can do whatever the hell he wants. He defines what his job is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Show the link. I find it hard to believe the owner of the Browns would say that about any player. Sound like bullshit. Here is the link http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10921566/johnny-manziel-teammates-cleveland-browns-not-ready-anoint-starting-quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 "Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam says the Browns have told Johnny Manziel to start acting 'like a backup quarterback.'" Translation... Jimmy Haslam is subliminally telling "the fans" to start acting like JF is the backup quarterback to temper expectations just in case he doesn't win the starting job this season... OR Jimmy Haslam is trying to push Manziel's buttons so he comes into camp hungry and easily takes over the starting job after obviously winning the competetion through the course of the off-season and pre-season... OR Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 He says he will have to beat out Hoyer. No shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 The WKNR rumor mill reports that Farmer had his draft card filled out with Teddy Bridgewaters name and Jimmy Haslam overruled him. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 The WKNR rumor mill reports that Farmer had his draft card filled out with Teddy Bridgewaters name and Jimmy Haslam overruled him. WSS on nothing other than gut feel I beleive this is likely true. When Farmer was asked in a presser why Johnny vs. Teddy he really seemed taken aback and stuttery. I think this is the reason why even though later when specifically asked this he denied it. Of course he did he cant confirm it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 That was a waste of my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Who gives a flying fuck. Manziel is the choice. Quit acting like a bunch of bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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