Westside Steve Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-postgame-scribbles-bakers-bounce-back-a-growing-confidence-terry-pluto.html Latest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 12/3/2018 at 12:23 PM, mjp28 said: Even Rodgers and the GB Pack have been having a tough year. GB & CLE both 4-7-1. Parity is here, just about anybody can lose any week, Upsets abounded. Losers- Rams, Texans, Patriots, Steelers, Broncos. & Next gen stats said New England had a 99.9% chance of winning that game with seven seconds left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, hoorta said: Upsets abounded. Losers- Rams, Texans, Patriots, Steelers, Broncos. & Next gen stats said New England had a 99.9% chance of winning that game with seven seconds left. Or a 00.1% chance of losing......sure makes sports fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, mjp28 said: Or a 00.1% chance of losing......sure makes sports fun. Couldn't happen to a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 We are learning "how to win." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: We are learning "how to win." You can't go back and change history, but put Williams & Kitchens in charge from the get-go. Add a better kicker, and the Browns just might be 9-4, and the talk of being the biggest turnaround in recent memory. Dorsey repeats his act in 2019, Baker doesn't suffer the sophomore slump, and the Browns should be in the discussion for a playoff berth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, hoorta said: You can't go back and change history, but put Williams & Kitchens in charge from the get-go. Add a better kicker, and the Browns just might be 9-4, and the talk of being the biggest turnaround in recent memory. Dorsey repeats his act in 2019, Baker doesn't suffer the sophomore slump, and the Browns should be in the discussion for a playoff berth... Possibly. But it's a roll of the dice to say we win a couple more games with a better Kicker but let's say we do.. Mayfield never sees the field and Freddy never steps up to OC. Hue was 100% up Taylor's ass. Haley probably doesn't get fired and Carlos Hyde remains the featured back Lots of variables. WSS 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: Possibly. But it's a roll of the dice to say we win a couple more games with a better Kicker but let's say we do.. Mayfield never sees the field and Freddy never steps up to OC. Hue was 100% up Taylor's ass. Haley probably doesn't get fired and Carlos Hyde remains the featured back Lots of variables. WSS Ahhhhhhhhhh...stop with the nightmares!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 From Terry P. .....the little things...... 5. Playing in the cold weather? “Not that hard,” insisted Mayfield. Probably that’s the best way to approach it. If the Browns grow into a playoff team, there will be plenty of games played in what can feel like an ice box on the shores of Lake Erie. Mayfield’s arm strength seems to help the ball cut through the wind. 10. Chubb is on his way to a 1,000-yard rushing season. He is at 740 yards, a 5.3-yard average. He has eight rushing TDs. As a team, the Browns had just 11 rushing TDs last season. 15. A final note on Mayfield and the offensive line: In Mayfield’s first six games, he was sacked 20 times. In his last five (since the coaching change), he has been sacked three times. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~▪ Wow, right before our eyes, the last three games of the 2018 season should be "interesting". GO BROWNS, anyone remember "Hard Knocks" , has been an interesting camp, preseason, early season......and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 Dec 13 https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-gregg-williams-continues-to-make-his-bid-to-remain-as-coach-terry-pluto.html WSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 I have to agree with Pluto here. I think as it stands right now my preference would be keeping what we have now with Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC and play caller. Listened to the Bruce Arians interview today and he still says he'd love the Browns job and wouldn't call plays so that would mean to me that if he were to come here, Kitchens stays in place under Arians which is fine as well. Mostly to me, I don't want to see the offense messed with. There's been a noticeable difference with Bakers play with Kitchens calling the plays. I'm not the biggest Williams fan in the world but hard to argue with the change for the better he's brought to the team since we let Huey and Toad walk the plank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Mark O said: I have to agree with Pluto here. I think as it stands right now my preference would be keeping what we have now with Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC and play caller. Listened to the Bruce Arians interview today and he still says he'd love the Browns job and wouldn't call plays so that would mean to me that if he were to come here, Kitchens stays in place under Arians which is fine as well. Mostly to me, I don't want to see the offense messed with. There's been a noticeable difference with Bakers play with Kitchens calling the plays. I'm not the biggest Williams fan in the world but hard to argue with the change for the better he's brought to the team since we let Huey and Toad walk the plank. I can't remember who was interviewed yesterday evening on 92.3, but they brought up the fact that while Kitchens was a coach under Arians he was moved from QB coach to RBs coach for someone else (Byron Leftwich?), and apparently Kitchens wasn't very happy about this at all. Almost sounds like perhaps Arians and Kitchens wouldn't be a perfect match, after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 From Terry...... This is the NFL. Three games are left in the season. A lot can change. So this is not a plea for the Browns to immediately hire Williams for 2019. But it is to consider the fact that Williams comes across as an experienced head coach who has brought order and a sense of purpose to a team desperately in need of those things. ........ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~▪ Yes this is the "what have you done for me lately" NFL -but- Williams is building a decent book and just who might be a better choice? A college coach from OKL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 11 hours ago, mjp28 said: Yes this is the "what have you done for me lately" NFL -but- Williams is building a decent book and just who might be a better choice? A college coach from OKL? Please not the coach from a very weak Big XII compared to times past. He knows nothing about running an NFL level defense. They hardly know anything about running a college level defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Quote But right now, I feel better about these coaches than trying an untested coordinator who has never sat in the seat of a head coach before. We could do a lot worse than Williams. One other quote caught my eye... Quote It’s also obvious the players are in a good place with him. As close as Dorsey seems to be to his players, I have to believe how "good" the feedback he is getting on Gregg will go far in determining Gregg's chances of staying. It's not unusual for GM's to seek feedback from key players, but Dorsey strikes me as one who would lean even more on this input. Not that I see a LBJ situation developing with a single player having total control over who coaches, obviously foremost of the Browns players is Baker. After Baker's critique of Hue's "genuineness" a lot will depend on his specific feedback to Dorsey. Hard for me to imagine it being anything, but positive at this point. What I am unsure of is who on the D would be John's primary source. Myles is "the star", but doesn't seem to be the guy to give unvarnished feedback. Same for Schobert... Collins could be out the door, so scratch him. Randall may be the best bet especially given his relationship with Dorsey's ex-Packer sidekicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Tour2ma said: We could do a lot worse than Williams. One other quote caught my eye... As close as Dorsey seems to be to his players, I have to believe how "good" the feedback he is getting on Gregg will go far in determining Gregg's chances of staying. It's not unusual for GM's to seek feedback from key players, but Dorsey strikes me as one who would lean even more on this input. Not that I see a LBJ situation developing with a single player having total control over who coaches, obviously foremost of the Browns players is Baker. After Baker's critique of Hue's "genuineness" a lot will depend on his specific feedback to Dorsey. Hard for me to imagine it being anything, but positive at this point. What I am unsure of is who on the D would be John's primary source. Myles is "the star", but doesn't seem to be the guy to give unvarnished feedback. Same for Schobert... Collins could be out the door, so scratch him. Randall may be the best bet especially given his relationship with Dorsey's ex-Packer sidekicks. I agree Schobert and Myles are just too young and inexperienced to be sources of major feedback other than what other players are telling them. Randall seems to be in the best position to provide both experience and player feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 Saturday morning of the Broncos game https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-pregame-scribbles-what-makes-browns-a-dangerous-team-terry-pluto.html WSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Today https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-baker-mayfields-green-light-in-red-zone-terry-pluto.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Today https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-baker-mayfields-green-light-in-red-zone-terry-pluto.html since kitchens took over we have been amazing in the red zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 From Terry..... Rookies Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen have combined to start 31 games. Those three have combined for only 16 red zone TD passes...the same as Mayfield. That’s why it’s been so exciting to watch Mayfield – he has a way of moving his team across the goal line. He’s doing it like a veteran quarterback...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~● Stunning stat, of the class of 2018 Mayfield has vaulted to the front with his "oh wow" factor, should be the AFC offensive rookie of the year hands down. Best quarterback class since the class of 1983 some 35 years ago? Might be, time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 13 hours ago, mjp28 said: From Terry..... Rookies Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen have combined to start 31 games. Those three have combined for only 16 red zone TD passes...the same as Mayfield. That’s why it’s been so exciting to watch Mayfield – he has a way of moving his team across the goal line. He’s doing it like a veteran quarterback...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~● Stunning stat, of the class of 2018 Mayfield has vaulted to the front with his "oh wow" factor, should be the AFC offensive rookie of the year hands down. Best quarterback class since the class of 1983 some 35 years ago? Might be, time will tell. Or, 2004. Three possible HOFers from there: Eli/BR/Rivers. 1983 had the same number of HOFers...Kelly, Elway/Marino. 1983 had another pretty good QB: Ken O'Brien.....and another that did take his team to a Super Bowl: Eason. Todd Blackledge was the bust of that group. The years in which 4 or more QBs were taken in the first round: 2018: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson 2012: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden 2011: Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder 2004: Eli, Rivers, Ben R. JP Losman 2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman 1999: Couch, Akili Smith, McNabb, Culpepper, McNown 1987: Testaverde, Stouffer, Miller, Jim Harbaugh 1983: Elway, Blackledge, Kelly, Eason, O/Brien, Marino........only the second year in which 2 HOF QB drafted in round one. HOF in Bold. 2004 could have 2-3 HOF... The ONLY other year in which 2 HOF QBs were taken in round one of the same draft was 1948....Bobby Layne and Y.A. Tittle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 12/20/2018 at 5:09 PM, ATOM said: since kitchens took over we have been amazing in the red zone Incredible... before if they got in the red zone it was tippy toes and skirts. Now with Baker, when he hits the red zone it’s FLOOR IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-revival-one-of-things-to-be-thankful-for-at-christmas-terry-pluto.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-revival-one-of-things-to-be-thankful-for-at-christmas-terry-pluto.html Great Stuff Steve. 😇 Thanks for keeping up with TP and posting it here for all of us.👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Nice read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Pregame Scribbles the Last Time of the Season. https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-pregame-scribbles-time-to-make-rivalries-real-terry-pluto.html WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: Pregame Scribbles the Last Time of the Season. https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-pregame-scribbles-time-to-make-rivalries-real-terry-pluto.html WSS "But the Ravens special teams are the difference." The one area of this team that is not anywhere what it should be with the athletes we have on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Speaking of special teams here is Terry's take on that https://www.cleveland.com//browns/2018/12/cleveland-browns-a-special-season-but-special-teams-need-change-terry-pluto.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: Speaking of special teams here is Terry's take on that "I don’t know why Hue Jackson hired Jones." Because he is Hueless the Clueless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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