Icecube Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 57 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Marino, Check. Favre already named. Not Moon/Kelly...they are down the list, but not far. If Moon didn't play in Canada or those years, he'd be on the list. Threw the nicest ball I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, Icecube said: If Moon didn't play in Canada or those years, he'd be on the list. Threw the nicest ball I've ever seen. Yes. Maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: Yes. Maybe Moon had a 3-7 lifetime playoff record with 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in the NFL. That's pretty pedestrian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 For some reason I'm going to throw out Kurt Warner, but I just don't remember him playing in that many playoff games to get 30 touchdown passes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 14 hours ago, The Gipper said: No, neither. Otto had 14 post season TDs. (Remember, they only played one single postseason game then. QBs since then have had to play in 3 , maybe 4 postseason games each year. Starr played half of his career under the same situation...and the Packers were really a grind it out running attack. So: hint: think of some of the most prolific passing offenses in history. Remember the old thinking good defenses win super bowls well here's the first 20 games, it used to be true way back when. Then along came the Steelers, 49ers era and the West Coast offences ! Betting went from bet the under to take the niners and the over -and- the overs went from the thirties to the fifties in no time including the extinct St. Louis Cardinals and the greatest show on turf with former Arena League star Kurt Warner.....my golden era of professional football. XX 1986 New Orleans, LA Chicago vs. New England Chicago -10 (37.5) Chicago 46 New England 10 Favorite-Over XIX 1985 Stanford, CA San Francisco vs. Miami San Francisco -3.5 (53.5) San Francisco 38 Miami 16 Favortie-Over XVIII 1984 Tampa, FL L.A. Raiders vs. Washington Washington -3 (48) L.A. 38 Washington 9 Underdog-Under XVII 1983 Pasadena, CA Washington vs. Miami Miami -3 (36.5) Washington 27 Miami 17 Underdog-Over XVI 1982 Pontiac, MI San Francisco vs. Cincinnati San Francisco -1 (48) San Francisco 26 Cincinnati 21 Favorite-Under XV 1981 New Orleans, LA Oakland vs. Philadelphia Philadelphia -3 (37.5) Oakland 27 Philadelphia 10 Underdog-Under XIV 1980 Pasadena, CA Pittsburgh vs. L.A. Rams Pittsburgh -10.5 (36) Pittsburgh 31 L.A. Rams 19 Favorite-Over XIII 1979 Miami, FL Pittsburgh vs. Dallas Pittsburgh -3.5 (37) Pittsburgh 35 Dallas 31 Favorite-Over XII 1978 New Orleans, LA Dallas vs. Denver Dallas -6 (39) Dallas 27 Denver 10 Favorite-Under XI 1977 Pasadena, CA Oakland vs. Minnesota Oakland -4 (38) Oakland 32 Minnesota 14 Favorite-Over X 1976 Miami, FL Pittsburgh vs. Dallas Pittsburgh -7 (36) Pittsburgh 21 Dallas 17 Underdog-Over IX 1975 New Orleans, LA Pittsburgh vs. Minnesota Pittsburgh -3 (33) Pittsburgh 16 Minnesota 6 Favorite-Under VIII 1974 Houston, TX Miami vs. Minnesota Miami -6.5 (33) Miami 24 Minnesota 7 Favorite-Under VII 1973 Los Angeles, CA Miami vs. Washington Miami -1 (33) Miami 14 Washington 7 Favorite-Under VI 1972 New Orleans, LA Dallas vs. Miami Dallas -6 (34) Dallas 24 Miami 3 Favorite-Under V 1971 Miami, FL Baltimore vs. Dallas Baltimore -2.5 (36) Baltimore 16 Dallas 13 Favorite-Under IV 1970 New Orleans, LA Kansas City vs. Minnesota Minnesota -12 (39) Kansas City 23 Minnesota 7 Underdog-Under III 1969 Miami, FL N.Y. Jets vs. Baltimore Baltimore -18 (40) N.Y. Jets 16 Baltimore 7 Underdog-Under II 1968 Miami, FL Green Bay vs. Oakland Green Bay -13.5 (43) Green Bay 33 Oakland 14 Favorite-Over I 1967 Los Angeles, CA Green Bay vs. Kansas City Green Bay -14 (N/A) Green Bay 35 Kansas City 10 Favorite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: For some reason I'm going to throw out Kurt Warner, but I just don't remember him playing in that many playoff games to get 30 touchdown passes... BADA BING. Check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 In NFL history, 10 QBs have thrown 30 or more career TDs .....in Postseason Play. Name these 10 QBs. Answers: Tom Brady 73 Joe Montana 45 Brett Favre 44 Peyton Manning 40 Aaron Rodgers 40 Drew Brees 34 Dan Marino 32 Kurt Warner 31 Terry Bradshaw 30 Ben Roethlisberger 30 (after that: Elway 27, Flacco 25, McNabb 24, Staubach 24) Top Browns: Kosar 16 (15 with Browns...1 with Dallas) Otto: 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: BADA BING. Check Even though I guessed him, I'm still kind of surprised he played enough playoff games to make the list. Either he played in more than I thought, or he was prolific as hell in the ones he did play in. Edit: So I looked up his playoff record, and man is it impressive. He went 9-4 in 13 playoff games, throwing for 3952 yards (304 per game) and 31 touchdowns vs 14 interceptions, with a 102.8 QB rating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Even though I guessed him, I'm still kind of surprised he played enough playoff games to make the list. Either he played in more than I thought, or he was prolific as hell in the ones he did play in. Edit: So I looked up his playoff record, and man is it impressive. He went 9-4 in 13 playoff games, throwing for 3952 yards (304 per game) and 31 touchdowns vs 14 interceptions, with a 102.8 QB rating. Well, remember, I believe he did start in 3 SB games. So you have to make a long run of at least 3 games each time you play in a SB (win or lose). Playoffs Passing Year Age Tm Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Career 13 13 9-4 307 462 66.5 3952 31 6.7 14 3.0 186 77 8.6 8.5 12.9 304.0 102.8 19 116 7.98 7.95 4.0 2 3 3 yrs STL 7 7 5-2 169 268 63.1 2221 15 5.6 10 3.7 77 8.3 7.7 13.1 317.3 92.3 12 84 7.63 7.10 4.3 1 2 2 yrs ARI 6 6 4-2 138 194 71.1 1731 16 8.2 4 2.1 71 8.9 9.6 12.5 288.5 117.4 7 32 8.45 9.15 3.5 1 1 1999*+ 28 STL QB 3 3 3-0 77 121 63.6 1063 8 6.6 4 3.3 51 77 8.8 8.6 13.8 354.3 100.0 4 24 8.31 8.15 3.2 1 2 2000* 29 STL QB 1 1 0-1 24 40 60.0 365 3 7.5 3 7.5 16 38 9.1 7.3 15.2 365.0 83.9 2 15 8.33 6.55 4.8 2001*+ 30 STL QB 3 3 2-1 68 107 63.6 793 4 3.7 3 2.8 37 50 7.4 6.9 11.7 264.3 86.7 6 45 6.62 6.13 5.3 2008* 37 ARI QB 4 4 3-1 92 135 68.1 1147 11 8.1 3 2.2 53 71 8.5 9.1 12.5 286.8 112.2 5 20 8.05 8.66 3.6 1 1 2009 38 ARI QB 2 2 1-1 46 59 78.0 584 5 8.5 1 1.7 29 33 9.9 10.8 12.7 292.0 129.1 2 12 9.38 10.28 3.3 0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Well, remember, I believe he did start in 3 SB games. So you have to make a long run of at least 3 games each time you play in a SB (win or lose). Playoffs Passing Year Age Tm Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Career 13 13 9-4 307 462 66.5 3952 31 6.7 14 3.0 186 77 8.6 8.5 12.9 304.0 102.8 19 116 7.98 7.95 4.0 2 3 3 yrs STL 7 7 5-2 169 268 63.1 2221 15 5.6 10 3.7 77 8.3 7.7 13.1 317.3 92.3 12 84 7.63 7.10 4.3 1 2 2 yrs ARI 6 6 4-2 138 194 71.1 1731 16 8.2 4 2.1 71 8.9 9.6 12.5 288.5 117.4 7 32 8.45 9.15 3.5 1 1 1999*+ 28 STL QB 3 3 3-0 77 121 63.6 1063 8 6.6 4 3.3 51 77 8.8 8.6 13.8 354.3 100.0 4 24 8.31 8.15 3.2 1 2 2000* 29 STL QB 1 1 0-1 24 40 60.0 365 3 7.5 3 7.5 16 38 9.1 7.3 15.2 365.0 83.9 2 15 8.33 6.55 4.8 2001*+ 30 STL QB 3 3 2-1 68 107 63.6 793 4 3.7 3 2.8 37 50 7.4 6.9 11.7 264.3 86.7 6 45 6.62 6.13 5.3 2008* 37 ARI QB 4 4 3-1 92 135 68.1 1147 11 8.1 3 2.2 53 71 8.5 9.1 12.5 286.8 112.2 5 20 8.05 8.66 3.6 1 1 2009 38 ARI QB 2 2 1-1 46 59 78.0 584 5 8.5 1 1.7 29 33 9.9 10.8 12.7 292.0 129.1 2 12 9.38 10.28 3.3 0 0 Yeah, I totally forgot that he went to two Super Bowls with the Rams. The Patriots started their run by beating them in 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 Here is Today's Trivia Question. Not dissimilar to yesterday's. Name the Top 10....actually 11 with ties, Running Backs who have scored the most Rushing Touchdowns.....In Postseason Play. So. 11 names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 Super Bowl Era? T. Thomas, E. Smith, J Bettis, M. Allen, F. Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Super Bowl Era? T. Thomas, E. Smith, J Bettis, M. Allen, F. Harris Any era, but because of expanded playoffs, yes, they are all from the Super Bowl era. And, by the way.....all 5 of your guesses are correct. Check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 My favorites are gone how about some oldies Riggo Riggins and Csonka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, mjp28 said: My favorites are gone how about some oldies Riggo Riggins and Csonka. I hope Bettis and Franco aren’t favorites? I had trouble typing it out. i was standing by Franco in Vegas in a Casino and a random guy turned to me and said “hey that’s cool that’s Franco Harris”. Franco looked up and I made sure he heard me I said it loud enough that “I dont care I am a browns fan.” I got a smile from Franco and the random guy gave me funny look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 18 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Moon had a 3-7 lifetime playoff record with 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in the NFL. That's pretty pedestrian. 5 years in Canadian football and 5 Grey Cups, numb nuts. Cleveland hasn't had a QB as good as Moon in 40 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Icecube said: 5 years in Canadian football and 5 Grey Cups, numb nuts. Cleveland hasn't had a QB as good as Moon in 40 years. Well 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Icecube said: 5 years in Canadian football and 5 Grey Cups, numb nuts. Cleveland hasn't had a QB as good as Moon in 40 years. You called me "numb nuts" while hiding behind your keyboard, all the while refusing to meet me in person. You are such an Internet Tough Guy. 😂 And no one gives two shits about the CFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 6 hours ago, mjp28 said: My favorites are gone how about some oldies Riggo Riggins and Csonka. Check on both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: You called me "numb nuts" while hiding behind your keyboard, all the while refusing to meet me in person. You are such an Internet Tough Guy. 😂 And no one gives two shits about the CFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Well 30 You think Bernie was better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Icecube said: Is this why you continue to hide behind your keyboard? Or are we meeting to discuss this in-person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Icecube said: You think Bernie was better? Yes. I would take Bernie over Moon. And that isn’t to disparage Moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 Moon certainly had longevity on Kosar. I mean, he played 17 years in the NFL on top of his years in Canada. So his cumulative stats are going to be better than Bernie's, and it is cumulative stats that put him in the HOF. And while he is not just an accumulater, like say Vinnie Testaverde or Drew Bledsoe, he was still not a prime time playoff performer. In his 17 years, his teams only made 7 playoff appearances (and yes...you can't put everything on a QB...but that is what we do sometimes); but he never made so much as a conference title game. Kosar (the Browns) made 5 playoff appearances as a starter his first 5 years...3 times taking the team to the AFC title game. (note...while he did not play in the 1988 playoffs...being injured before they started, he did start the majority of the games that season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 Only Four names left here. Good effort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Only Four names left here. Good effort! I'll throw in a kinda overlooked guy, 49ers RB Roger Craig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 Terrell Davis, Denver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: I'll throw in a kinda overlooked guy, 49ers RB Roger Craig. No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Canton Mike said: Terrell Davis, Denver Check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: Moon certainly had longevity on Kosar. I mean, he played 17 years in the NFL on top of his years in Canada. So his cumulative stats are going to be better than Bernie's, and it is cumulative stats that put him in the HOF. And while he is not just an accumulater, like say Vinnie Testaverde or Drew Bledsoe, he was still not a prime time playoff performer. In his 17 years, his teams only made 7 playoff appearances (and yes...you can't put everything on a QB...but that is what we do sometimes); but he never made so much as a conference title game. Kosar (the Browns) made 5 playoff appearances as a starter his first 5 years...3 times taking the team to the AFC title game. (note...while he did not play in the 1988 playoffs...being injured before they started, he did start the majority of the games that season). Of course, the teams they were on comes into the evaluation. As does coaching. That being said, I thought the Oilers' D was pretty loaded. In Bernie's era, Browns D was no slouch either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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