Roe versus Wade off the books

[calfoxwc]

so, YES, it is a proposed bit of legislation that talks about the 7 days after birth.

it surely wlll not fly....

but who knows.

[htownbrown]

If we consider 3rd trimester abortions "rare" at about 1%, at low end estimates for 2019, that's around 6,300 late term abortions.  Considering the actual guestimate of abortion is a range because California, Maryland, and New Hampshire refuse to contribute data, it's highly likely that number is larger.  Certainly 3rd trimester fetuses can and do become premature babies at times.  

If you add in 2nd trimester abortion, you've likely past the total number of homicides in the entire country for 2019.  We don't have to mention 1st trimester abortion to understand things are a bit out of control.

[Vambo]

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer claims, without evidence, ‘Americans will suffer and may die’ if Roe overturnedhttps://www.foxnews.com/media/michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-claims-without-evidence-americans-will-suffer-and-may-die-if-roe-overturned

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

Some cum guzzling kunt who wants to have sex and doesn't have any brith control can fuck off.  Responsible women know when it is safe or ensure there BF wear a rubber.  

[Vambo]

Operation Diversion

[calfoxwc]

even more worrisome - is yellen's comments on abortion.

the murder of born/unborn children is good for the economy?

etc?

   This is an example of the out of control power and corruption the "deep state" has going.

  "they ain't goin to be stopped, til they are stopped, and it ain't goin to stop easy".

   It's past time - America must "fight back" on the culture/power war.

[Axe]

Just,, let, the, states, decide ☹️

[VaporTrail]

On 5/7/2022 at 12:37 PM, MLD Woody said:

Ah, love it. 

I would say this:

If we could ban and magically remove every gun (or a certain type of gun) it would eliminate gun violence (or violence related to that certain type of gun), which would be the point of something like that. The means for specifically gun violence (or specifically that type of gun violence) would no longer be there. 

If we could ban all abortion doctors, clinics, etc (which is essentially what is potentially about to happen in some areas of the country) it wouldn't actually stop all abortions. The means for an abortion are still there, just dangerous and unsafe means. 

They're not exactly apples to apples. 

 

 

About 61 percent of Ohio voters agree with the Roe v. Wade decision while 32 percent oppose it.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/07/26/poll-ohio-voters-support-roe-v-wade-oppose-heartbeat-bill-abortion-ban/1835333001/

 

Ohio – with 51.3% of likely voters who believed abortion should be legal all or most of the time, compared to 38.4% who thought it should be illegal all or most of the time – is not the only Great Lakes State with such views. Majorities in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin also said abortion should be legal.

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/10/despite-ohio-laws-limiting-abortion-majority-of-voters-think-abortion-should-remain-legal-poll-shows.html

 

My biggest concern with that state's rights angle on some of this is how "representatives" can be anything but. 

Shit, just look at all of the gerrymandering going on in Ohio. 

I think objectively Republicans are a more efficient and effective political party than Democrats. Throw in corruption and corporate interests (either way) and you have a system that isn't always following the will of the people. Moreso on a country wide level and not just state level, but it can still exist there too. 

Or political system as a whole needs some work. But that work challenges the status quo and people on both sides that benefit from how things are. So it'll be very hard to get over the hump and ever make that change. I think you can recognize the issues with the government, media, etc without going full blown Q...

 

If we do go full "state's rights" it will be interesting (if that's the best word) to see how certain states just drift further and further apart. 

And it's looking like it will be more than just red states banning abortions. Talk of them banning medications to enduce abortions or even making it illegal to travel to another state for one (though, again, I'm sure it's still perfectly fine for the daughter of a wealthy republican to "go on a vacation" when needed). 

 

Draconian gun laws to just us apparently but not the rest of the developed world. Fun little American quirk I guess. 

 

Yep, it's an interesting thought experiment to try and predict the effects of Ohio enacting a ban. Crime in the cities will skyrocket in 15-20 years - Ohio City, Over-the-Rhine will look like the Flats in the 2000s. You'd get a brain drain of liberals and moderates leaving for Chicago or NY. I'd expect the growth in Cinci and Cbus to reverse. Black Ohioans disproportionately get abortions (accounts for half of all abortions performed in Ohio), and this community is actually trending up in voter participation. The GOP is going to have to change their strategy if they want to retain their electorate. 

I used to think balkanization and secession in the US was a ridiculous notion. But now it's starting to feel plausible. 

[Vambo]

 

[MLD Woody]

15 hours ago, VaporTrail said:

Yep, it's an interesting thought experiment to try and predict the effects of Ohio enacting a ban. Crime in the cities will skyrocket in 15-20 years - Ohio City, Over-the-Rhine will look like the Flats in the 2000s. You'd get a brain drain of liberals and moderates leaving for Chicago or NY. I'd expect the growth in Cinci and Cbus to reverse. Black Ohioans disproportionately get abortions (accounts for half of all abortions performed in Ohio), and this community is actually trending up in voter participation. The GOP is going to have to change their strategy if they want to retain their electorate. 

I used to think balkanization and secession in the US was a ridiculous notion. But now it's starting to feel plausible. 

I do agree with you on that last point. Is does seem like each half of our country is moving in opposite directions faster and faster. Now, it's important to note 1) the loudest groups aren't necessarily the largest, 2) I have a small window of our country's existence as a reference, I'm sure there have been bad times in the past. We also live in a social media world that's amplifying these things. But I can't help but read some posts on here and be amazed at how far removed they are from where I am, and I'm not even as far away from their view as people get. 

 

And I say this next part knowing I'll have a certain group of posters falling over themselves to insult me:

I could be working basically anywhe in the world I'd want to right now. Especially with my current company, that has locations in major cities all over the place. But I actively chose to come back to Cleveland around 5 years ago and I actively chose to stay here recently. I want to be part of a brain gain for Northeast Ohio, not a drain. It's great here, and I hope it can grow and evolve and improve. 

We're talking about different reasons for why certain people would leave, but I hope it never comes to that. I mean I couldn't imagine living in a state like Florida at this point, given the last few years. If I had family and friends there I don't think it would be enough to leave, but if I was down there on my own I could definitely see wanting to leave. 

A little bit of a ramble there, but hopefully I made my point. 

 

 

 

Also, it will be interesting to see how much a ban really lowers abortions vs just driving them somewhere else, changing them to untracked dangerous abortions, etc

[calfoxwc]

  maybe another country? cuba would be good for you. India ...

Pakistan....

you could flock with other woodpecers in Asia...

Woodpeckers of SE Asia

Woodpeckers (1) Fig 1 : Banded Woodpecker : Fig 1 : Banded Woodpecker Chrysophlegma miniaceus (Picus miniaceus) Location : Lower Peirce, Singapore Habitat : Lowland, secondary rainforest. Fig 2 : Greater Yellownape Chrysophlegma flavinucha (Picus flavinucha) Location : Kaeng Krachan, Phetchaburi province, Thailand Habitat : Karst forest

 

or Australia - they are socialist like you.

you wouldn't be all alone. maybe you could identify as a kangaroo.

or a wallaby, who knows.

https://www.reddit.com › r › Ornithology › comments › cd1pce › woodpeckers_in_australia

Woodpeckers in Australia : Ornithology - reddit

In Australia, about 15% of bird species nest in hollows. The wood is extremely hard so no amount of pecking would make a hole. A jarrah tree takes 120-150 years to form the hollow in which the Carnaby cockatoo nests. The bird enters backwards into the hollow. As hollows form over a long period it is important to conserve older trees.

[Westside Steve]

15 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

I do agree with you on that last point. Is does seem like each half of our country is moving in opposite directions faster and faster. Now, it's important to note 1) the loudest groups aren't necessarily the largest, 2) I have a small window of our country's existence as a reference, I'm sure there have been bad times in the past. We also live in a social media world that's amplifying these things. But I can't help but read some posts on here and be amazed at how far removed they are from where I am, and I'm not even as far away from their view as people get. 

 

And I say this next part knowing I'll have a certain group of posters falling over themselves to insult me:

I could be working basically anywhe in the world I'd want to right now. Especially with my current company, that has locations in major cities all over the place. But I actively chose to come back to Cleveland around 5 years ago and I actively chose to stay here recently. I want to be part of a brain gain for Northeast Ohio, not a drain. It's great here, and I hope it can grow and evolve and improve. 

We're talking about different reasons for why certain people would leave, but I hope it never comes to that. I mean I couldn't imagine living in a state like Florida at this point, given the last few years. If I had family and friends there I don't think it would be enough to leave, but if I was down there on my own I could definitely see wanting to leave. 

A little bit of a ramble there, but hopefully I made my point. 

 

 

 

Also, it will be interesting to see how much a ban really lowers abortions vs just driving them somewhere else, changing them to untracked dangerous abortions, etc

No insult but the majority of Americans still live within 18 Mi of where they're born.

WSS

[Browns149]

2 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

No insult but the majority of Americans still live within 18 Mi of where they're born.

WSS

Count me as a minority then. I was born in Berea, Ohio. And I live in West Virginia 

 

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

14 minutes ago, Browns149 said:

Count me as a minority then. I was born in Berea, Ohio. And I live in West Virginia 

 

I've lived in Japan, Germany, California, Virginia, New York, North Carolina.  I never intended to move back to Ohio.  But when my father got sick with cancer, I moved back 'temporarily'.  Found a good job and well, that was it.

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

1 minute ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

I've lived in Japan, Germany, California, Virginia, New York, North Carolina.  I never intended to move back to Ohio.  But when my father got sick with cancer, I moved back 'temporarily'.  Found a good job and well, that was it.

Those were places I actually had a home in.  Although I deployed all over.

[Browns149]

1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Those were places I actually had a home in.  Although I deployed all over.

You actually had a home in California? 
Can’t imagine that