Neo Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Coyote said: I know its stressful as a fan I get it too. I really do. But imagine a team that's never made it to a Super Bowl and you're in a game that comes down to a kick that sends you to the playoffs, or to the Super Bowl, or one that puts the Lombardi trophy on your mantle. When it comes down to it, he really needs to make his kicks. It's his only job and he needs to get it done or we get someone who can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPPT1974 Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 He really kind of redeemed himself in making those three FG's but really missed it big time when it needed to be counted. Just hope he can really get over those and redeem himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 16 hours ago, tiamat63 said: I was just a kid, but from what I remember, Dawson took a couple years before he became the Phil we all knew and loved. It did. People were also saying he had a weak leg and wanted to cut him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 He seems like someone who is working hard to improve. My main concern is Watson, mainly because we invested everything in him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 8:24 PM, Coyote said: Cade is struggling mentally to focus. I get his struggle. I shoot pool in a league , and sometimes when things aren't clicking upstairs you miss shots that you make 98-100 times. It drives you fucking absolutely crazy. I've made this shot 100 times..........WTF is going on??? Then it clicks. And you can't miss............you can fucking TRY to miss but nope you make your shot. I know its stressful as a fan, but Cade has the talent. If he goes half the year and sucks, then replace him. And missing 1 field, does not mean he sucks. If he goes 5/11...........that sucks. I understand your point...that his missing FG's has affected his mental state...which is a positive feedback loop resulting in more missing of FG's. But this is the pros. All positions require the player to be able to handle it mentally. It's part of the job. - An owner might say, Look! It doesn't matter to me why an able bodied kicker misses FG's to the extant that he's consistently rated among the league's worst kickers! I need someone who can kick it such that we win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 17 hours ago, Orion said: I understand your point...that his missing FG's has affected his mental state...which is a positive feedback loop resulting in more missing of FG's. But this is the pros. All positions require the player to be able to handle it mentally. It's part of the job. - An owner might say, Look! It doesn't matter to me why an able bodied kicker misses FG's to the extant that he's consistently rated among the league's worst kickers! I need someone who can kick it such that we win! Last year in fact the week after he won the game in carolina. He said, Im paraphrasing here( he said one week you are the goat the next you can be in the outhouse) Dude jinxed himself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 23, 2023 Report Share Posted August 23, 2023 Cade is a good kicker, but he likes the long FG tries. If I was Stefanski, I would tell Cade I wasn't going to let him kick over 45 yards until he started making those kicks at an 85% clip. Field position is still a thing in football. If we aren't spotting the ball on the 35 yard line, you aren't going to get to kick. We will just go for it on 4th and 8. Heck, pooch punt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 8:34 AM, Jax said: My main concern is Watson, mainly because we invested everything in him. And he better be crazy fucking good too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted August 23, 2023 Report Share Posted August 23, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 5:49 PM, Orion said: i made that same point some days ago. I mean, we've got so many coaches and front office people that they're falling out of windows. We can't bring in a kicking coach? There's actually several in the NE Ohio area. My son went to several kicking camps in the area....can't remember the guy's name, but he was from Geneva & was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted August 23, 2023 Report Share Posted August 23, 2023 https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-free-agent-kickers-2023-available-mason-crosby-robbie-gould/xbl1wnkamt45oyfes0yagwdz Robbie Gould The oldest kicker on this list, Gould is heading into his age-40 campaign as a free agent after having spent the past six years with the 49ers. Last year, he saw full kickoff duties for the first time since 2016 with the Giants, and notched a career-best 47 touchbacks. It wasn't a perfect season for Gould, however. He went 7-for-11 on kicks in the 40s, though he was a perfect two-for-two on 50-plus-yarders during the season. He finished the year with a field goal percentage of 84.4 percent and a near-perfect 50-for-51 on extra-point tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 23, 2023 Report Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Jax said: He finished the year with a field goal percentage of 84.4 percent Well, that's 9.4 points better than our guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 24, 2023 Report Share Posted August 24, 2023 13 hours ago, Orion said: Well, that's 9.4 points better than our guy. On a small sample size, 1-2 kicks can swing those percentage a great deal. I am not sure that looking at % is the best barometer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 24, 2023 Report Share Posted August 24, 2023 30 minutes ago, ballpeen said: On a small sample size, 1-2 kicks can swing those percentage a great deal. I am not sure that looking at % is the best barometer. The best barometer would be to look at % when it's choke time. I play racquetball and when my opponent reaches a serving for the match point, I love to grab my throat with both hands as he's taking the ball from me to serve just to let him know it's choke time. Works better than 50% of the time too. And that's what I think you'll find with our kicker if you look at choke time only. You know, like missing two game winners just in a preseason game. LOL!😵💫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 24, 2023 Report Share Posted August 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: like missing two game winners just in a preseason game. LOL! If you're missing kicks in August, what's going to happen in November-December when the weather isn't so great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted August 24, 2023 Report Share Posted August 24, 2023 Wondering if they have one of these for football yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Neo said: Wondering if they have one of these for football yet? I can cover him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 21 hours ago, Orion said: If you're missing kicks in August, what's going to happen in November-December when the weather isn't so great? The future never tells. Maybe he makes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 2 hours ago, ballpeen said: Maybe he makes them. Do you mean that the wind will blow his errant kicks through the uprights? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hish747 Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 As has been mentioned before, his kicks look terrible even when he makes them. I see no logical justification for placing our faith in his ability. If we were a team that's building to win in the future, maybe, but we have a fairly small window to get this done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 9 hours ago, hish747 said: As has been mentioned before, his kicks look terrible even when he makes them. And that can't be overstated. It means something. I understand that the drafted kicker gets more than one season...but shaky kicking has to be evaluated in way that is best for the team....at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Orion said: And that can't be overstated. It means something. I understand that the drafted kicker gets more than one season...but shaky kicking has to be evaluated in way that is best for the team....at some point. And I am sure it will be evaluated. It just seems like some have already done their evaluations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 29 minutes ago, ballpeen said: It just seems like some have already done their evaluations. I guess I've slipped into that camp. I don't get to see him at practice, where I'm assuming he looks great, I only see him in games. And from what his FG kicks look like in games, it doesn't lend itself to having a lot of confidence when that unit trots onto the field. Our window to win is (RF) now. And we're going to need to make FG's in order to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Orion said: I guess I've slipped into that camp. I don't get to see him at practice, where I'm assuming he looks great, I only see him in games. And from what his FG kicks look like in games, it doesn't lend itself to having a lot of confidence when that unit trots onto the field. Our window to win is (RF) now. And we're going to need to make FG's in order to win. Hypothetical situation. Say he does get his shit straightened out just good enough to give you the impression that he can be relied on. We're in the AFC championship game and it comes down to the last kick of the game, we're down by one point and he misses. How is that going to look knowing he has a history of missing even the most easiest of kicks and you had ample time to find a replacement. I don't want to see anyone lose their job but the writing is on the wall that he can't be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Neo said: Hypothetical situation. Say he does get his shit straightened out just good enough to give you the impression that he can be relied on. We're in the AFC championship game and it comes down to the last kick of the game, we're down by one point and he misses. How is that going to look knowing he has a history of missing even the most easiest of kicks and you had ample time to find a replacement. I don't want to see anyone lose their job but the writing is on the wall that he can't be trusted. Then he misses the kick. What happens if we replace York, and whoever we get does the same as your hypothetical? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 Time to bring in every f'n kicker out there for tryouts before the season starts. York is NOT an NFL level kicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 this guy. it just makes to much sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Time to bring in every f'n kicker out there for tryouts before the season starts. York is NOT an NFL level kicker. i saw his facial expression after the kick. He knew his time was through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 What everyone should have taken away from todays game is this team has immense talent across the field. The reality is, though, so does the AFC north and the whole division for that matter. Games are going to be close, and our division is loaded at the kicker position. It will be an absolute failure if York is booting them week one. I don’t give a shit about his potential- this team is ready to win NOW. Let another team be the dudes project. the way he absolutely shanked the first extra point and acted like the small running into him caused it made my eye twitch. Everything he is doing is broken- time to wipe the slate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Always Ghoolie Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 Sign West Side Steve. He can kick EPs in his kilt and show everyone his nutsack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Always Ghoolie Posted August 26, 2023 Report Share Posted August 26, 2023 On 8/5/2023 at 5:05 AM, ballpeen said: A kicker can be brought in at any point. I don't think a missed 50 yard kick in the 1st preseason game is the time. I agree. Wait until he does it.in a game that counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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