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I watched the coronavirus presser yesterday and some fake CNN journalist was annoying with over and over questioning why Trump is plugging hydroxychloroquine when he is not a doctor. Trump is doing the country a huge service by getting this information about hydroxychloroquine to the public. It is a well known FDA drug that as long as it is being prescribed by a medical doctor should present no harm to a patient using it and there is evidence it can make a difference in improvement for those with severe covid19 symptoms.
A vaccine for the virus is over a year a way. We have little in our tool box to give those suffering with severe covid19 to help so why not try with the hydroxychloroquine? As Trump said what do you have to lose? At best you will be one of the success stories we see with those using hydroxychloroquine and at worst it will not help you but is not going to hurt you.
The doctor who successfully treated 700 covid19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and zpac said the drugs cost about $20. How much does it cost to put a person on a ventilator? If there is a drug that might keep a covid19 patient from reaching the critical point of being placed on a ventilator with little risk for trying the drug why not try it?
We have ample supplies of the drug and we can keep the hoarding problem at bay by common sense restrictions placed on doctors in prescribing the drug for covid19 patients.
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I think the biggest majority of churches have been responsible about this with just a few exceptions. We have church Sundays in our parking lot where everyone remains in their cars and the pastor uses a loud speaker as well as live streaming on facebook.
I for one do not understand how any pastor who cares about his congregation would have normal church services right now risking the health of those whom he is supposed to be caring for. It is irresponsible. I know I would not want that on my conscience by having normal church services during a flu pandemic that others suffered with getting the flu.
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14 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:
Britain's chief medical officer believes those getting flu shots need to self isolate with some at high risk for 12 weeks so I for one would not discount what he says. I don't think the flu shot they get across the pond is any different than the flu shot we get here in the states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Van-Tam
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-top-medic-warns-anyone-21708701
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1 hour ago, calfoxwc said:
great. actually, I think it would have to do with how soon after you get a flu shot before you are exposed to covid19. While a body would adjust to being resilent to the particular flu the shot is for, the resistance to covid19 would be lessened. something like that.
And I think that is a point being made with this link of the article.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-top-medic-warns-anyone-21708701
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Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Risk 36% Says Military Study
https://www.disabledveterans.org/2020/03/11/flu-vaccine-increases-coronavirus-risk/
OK..not posting this to stir up any controversy I just found it interesting...I think more studies would be needed to prove a link between getting the flu shot and being at higher risk for covid19.
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Michigan now has quadruple Ohio’s coronavirus cases: What’s causing the difference?
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22 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:
I'm sure all of the actual doctors and medical personnel love arm chair experts calling in about this magic drug they heard about on TV. If the drug is proven effective and safe it'll get used. It needs to be available too. But the idea that hospitals aren't doing whatever they can now for people is crazy.
Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective’ coronavirus treatment, poll of doctors finds
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/
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1 minute ago, calfoxwc said:
That's tragic - I hope and pray your friend Denny comes out of it. we have so many friends who are staying at home, self-quarantining.
Thank goodness family members have phones that can send pics and videos...
Thanks Cal. Denny is a super nice guy and I was sick to hear about it and we have been praying for him. The only time I have gone out is to the grocery store which is once every 2 weeks. Our family has been following the CDC guidelines with the spacing, washing hands and keeping hands from our faces. The next time I go to the grocery store I am going to wear a bandanna mask that I saw on Youtube can easily be made.
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2 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:
Ventilators are a last resort OBF. They only use them when they have to.
I know but before that last resort of going on a ventilator I would like to see people given another last resort option of hydroxychloroquine and zpac which at the minimum shows some promise against covid 19.
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30 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:
OBF what I'm saying is I didn't see anything in the video closely resembling the headline.
WSS
I know. I didn't care for the headline itself. Why wouldn't Trump want people not to be placed on ventilators"? They have a horrible failure rate. Why not try to use the hdryroxychloroquine and zpac first and use ventilators as an absolute last resort?
A few weeks ago I saw a friend at the grocery store. He stuck out his hand for me to shake and I told him I wasn't shaking hands anymore and doing the elbow chicken wing thing. He was put in the hospital friday for covid19 and was not able to breathe. Yesterday they transferred him to another hospital and they put him on a ventilator (anyone who would want to say a prayer his name is Denny). Denny was 64 years old and as far as I know was in good health being one of those farming type guys.
I really don't think our hospital did anything for him until he got even worse and then they put him on a respirator. I contacted our health dept and asked them if they are giving covid19 patients the option of hydroxychloroquine and zpac and they never responded. This drug may not be the answer but I know respirators are not the answer. Why not at least try this before putting a patient on a ventilator?
update: I got the answer from his sister. They were told they didn't have hydroxychloroquine. We just had a company donate 320 million doses and Israel just gave us 6 million doses with 4 more million to come quickly yet we don't have any?
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Trump says he wants to keep people off ventilators. Of course he would. The unhappy fact is that the success stories of those placed on ventilators is not good. There is a drug that has shown promise to covid19 patients taking it that their symptoms do not progress to needing to be placed on a ventilator (hydroxycholoroquine and zpack). I commend Trump for putting this out there for the public. Let the doctors and the patients make their own decision as to taking this drug or not.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/results-from-a-controlled-trial-of-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid19
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/
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MSNBC’s Maddow Bets Against The Navy...And Loses
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow has underestimated the U.S. Navy.
Maddow claimed in a segment last week that it was “nonsense” to believe the U.S. Navy capable of mobilizing the hospital ships discussed by President Trump to arrive in New York City as rapidly as a week later.
“In terms of the happy talk we’ve had on this front from the federal government, there is no sign that the Navy hospital ships that the president made such a big deal of, the Comfort and the Mercy, there’s no sign that they’ll be anywhere onsite, helping out anywhere in the country, for weeks yet...That’s nonsense.”
However, the very thing Maddow claimed to be nonsense became reality when the hospital ship USNS Comfort docked in New York Harbor Monday morning.
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/msnbcs-maddow-bets-against-navyand-loses
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I remember an old line about computers ...garbage in and garbage out.
Here is garbage out. What our CDC said about not wearing masks. They need to be honest with the public or they lose credibility.
Tucker blasts feds over medical masks, says 'stop lying to us' about why we shouldn't buy them
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-blasts-feds-medical-masks-coronavirus
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10 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:
This isn't something you can go buy at the drug store OTC. You need a doctors prescription so there should be no shortage as long as doctors dont prescribe it for the wrong purpose.
Apparently some doctors and dentists were abusing prescribing hydroxychloroquine. Not sure reason why dentists were giving out prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine anyway except writing prescription for themselves and friends and family.
There are ways to combat that and Dewine for instance has ordered that no doctor can prescribe hydroxychloroquine unless certain condition are met such as a documented positive covid19 test, the patient must be inpatient and the prescription is for only 14 days.
I don't like Dewine's order that you have to be inpatient to get the drug myself. I wish the restriction would be only a documented positive covid19 test so patients can have the opportunity to take the drug sooner before symptoms progress to being placed inpatient. At our local hospital I am convinced the only way you will be treated inpatient is when you are placed on a ventilator.
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6 hours ago, Tour2ma said:
OK, Donald...
"Promising thing" is not a thing... it's a wish... a hope... a dream until a solidly constructed study concludes it's efficacy. I asked above if your posts were about the same Doctor. Pretty sure they are one in the same, but I'd like confirmation, please.
Your promising thing has led to chloroquine shortages. Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis users are having trouble filling Rx's, while Covid-19 fear drives some to consume them as a preventative. Even more fun? About half the side effects mimic a flu-like virus.
Did you listen to Rudy's interview with Dr. 700? I'm about halfway thru it and have already found more holes than "science". I'm still waiting for the first mention of one of his patients testing positive for Covid-19... then of course being retested after being "cured".
How do you suppose a "Family Doctor" got a hold of 1400 Covid-19 tests?
OK our latest Trump Derangement Syndrome victim. To root against the success of this drug because Trump supported it is insanity but that is what TDS is.
I just listened to a man who had the virus on television last night who thought he was going to die because he could not breathe and within hours of taking hydoxychloroquine and zpac he said he was 100 percent better. I also saw where some front line medical doctors and nurses are now taking these drugs as preventative measures. Israel just gave us 10 million doses and another company is donating 130 million doses. It is not some rare type of drug but one which is cheap and easily mfg.
As for the hoarding problem is that Trump's fault or is it because of the apparent success of the drug? There is enough of this drug to go around and there are ways to limit hoarding without denying covid 19 patients the drug. In Ohio a pharmacist cannot dispense this drug unless a covid 19 patient has been positively diagnosed and for inpatient treatment as well as limiting prescriptions to 14 days. Some people hoard that is a fact. That is the reason many people cannot find toilet paper on the shelves right now. The answer is not preventing anyone from buying toilet paper but to limit buying of toilet paper and not letting some customers buy shopping carts full of it..
The posts were from the same American doctor but there are doctors all over the world using hydroxychlorine for covid 19 patients and I am seeing more doctors in our country saying this drug is beneficial.
The bottom line there is not much out there to treat covid19 patients except putting those with severe covid19 symptoms on a ventilator. I would take hydroxycholoroquine and zpac combo in a second if I had the virus with breathing problems. The patients and the doctors should make the decision to take hydroxychloroquine. The FDA seems to agree as they just approved it for covid19 patients.
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44 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:
Folks... meet the proverbial fly on the DNC wall. But, hey, at least it was your thoughts, OBF.
Moderate Dems were split among several candidates while Bernie was riding a decent percentage of his true believers from 2016. But once Joe pulled S. Carolina out of his ass... as his campaign had been telling all who would listen that he would... the bulk of the Dems turned to him. Sanders' numbers haven't fallen. Joe's rose... Know who else's rose? Sanders... when Warren dropped out.
So, in short, your prediction sucked.
As for Sanders being demoralized... have you seen him lately?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/
Uhm no Tour it was Biden whose numbers went up when Warren got out of the race. The dem establishment and their media allies did a good job in taking down Sanders. Sanders didn't seem too demoralized last time around in 2016 when Hillary Clinton and the DNC shafted him so he doesn't seem to get too upset at these things.
Biden, not Sanders, gains in popularity after Warren drops out: Reuters/Ipsos poll
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9 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:
WTF is a "Carlson?"
And how does the DNC revoke a nomination?
Joe... looked shaky at times... especially in the mass debates when limited time forced him to make his points quickly, concisely. I'd be lying, if I said I was not a tad concerned.
But 1-on-1 vs. Bernie he was much more controlled, relaxed and in command. The collective sigh of relief was nationwide... well, except in Vermont...
I can't wait for the debates with Trump...
Looks like some democrats are looking to Obama to help get Biden to exit the race...
Democrats need to recruit Obama to bench Biden, find another candidate: Goodwin
Looking isolated and lapsing into occasional gibberish, he seemed every bit the mentally challenged 77-year-old he was on the worst days of the campaign. Although he did better on a CNN virtual town hall Friday, his tics, such as having a three-point answer to every question, do not inspire confidence that he is capable of being president for four years.
I also am looking forward to see Biden debating Trump...it should be...interesting.
So what can Dems do?
Find another nominee. But first, they must bench Biden, or persuade him to bench himself.
It’s a job for Barack Obama.
The former president remains the most trusted member of his party and is uniquely situated to deliver the bad news to his vice president. In fact, it won’t be a total surprise given that Obama never endorsed Biden, despite making it clear he did not want Sanders, the only other choice, to be the nominee.
Obama could pitch withdrawal as a final public service to country and party. For all we know, members of Biden’s family share the idea and would welcome Obama’s intervention.
The timing is tricky because the remaining primary schedule is in flux, leaving Biden about 800 delegates short of the required majority of 1,991. It is even possible the July convention will be postponed or canceled, creating huge complications around the nomination.
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3 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:
Cautionary tale about Aldi Home Delivery...
Not sure how many of you have this odd little Grocery chain in your area... I went in one once. Need a quarter to release a cart... but get it back when you return the cart... different but not weird. Inside? Seems like selection was basically whatever was in surplus that week... weird.
But I digress...
Wife used their online system to place an order for home delivery. To paraphrase Seinfeld at the rental car kiosk, "Aldi knew how to take the order... they did not know how to fill the order."
Order was for over a dozen items... we received one... a bag of lemons.
With fees, delivery charge, etc.... total cost of that bag?
$17...
Contacted Aldi... awaiting response.
We have an Aldi in our town. The quarter for the shopping cart is a great idea to keep the parking lot from being full of carts and having to have store employees taking care of it. This way carts get returned by shoppers. I am surprised more stores don't do this.
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Not ready for prime time.....but "A" for effort
Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device
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4 minutes ago, hoorta said:
It's problematic to the extent- you at least have to have a bunch of controlled field trials. Are there side effects? Anyone out there want to take this vaccine and then get exposed to Corona to be a human guinea pig? Show of hands out there for volunteers.
Yeah I understand but everything is relative. This may be going at "lightning" speed in relation to past vaccines but when it is desperately needed right now that lightning speed seems incredibly slow.
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UK furious over China’s coronavirus disinformation campaign against US
https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/uk-furious-over-chinas-coronavirus-disinformation-campaign-against-us/
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1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:
Johnson & Johnson will begin live pilot testing of a vaccine starting in Sept. and if it is proving out will be able to mass produce in case of dire emergency by Jan 2021.
They say they are moving on this with "lightning" speed but when you need something right away it doesn't seem like it.
Much like in an emergency you call the police or the rescue squad and they respond quickly in minutes and those minutes seem like hours.
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10 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:
Assuming there is extra of it to go around and not take from the people that actually need it.
And the people with covid taking it understand there may be side effects we don't know about yet
There should be a lot of it. It is cheap and easy to mfg. Israel recently gave us 10 million doses and I saw where another pharmaceutical is giving us 30 million doses.
Most states are putting some restrictions such as only 14 days supply at a time and must have positive covid 19 tests. I am fine with these types of restrictions that will prevent hoarding but I do not want to see anyone diagnosed with covid 19 not having the choice of taking hydroxychloroquine and zpack if they choose to.
Later we may find better and more clinically tested alternative drugs but this is the best option for now that we know about.
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1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:
- So the Dr himself said the drug is only "successful" when the damage isn't that bad. If that's the case then how many of those people were just going to recover anyway?
- For your analogy to work the army you have may also occasionally sit still on the battlefield and not do anything. Or worse they may shoot your own civilians. That's why the army you have needs to be vetted through FDA bout camp.
He said that because at the point of a patient having lung damage that is different than just having covid 19. It is a whole new problem..
Here is the bottom line with taking Hydroxychloroquine:
It may help and appears to have helped patients with covid19. The drug is cheap and easy to mfg. There is little to lose in offering patients this drug when there is no other options available. It is unlikely to worsen covid19 and it may help when nothing else is being offered.
Hot Off the Presses... Government watchdog: Hospitals face severe shortages of medical gear, confusing guidance from government
in POLITICAL DISCUSSION
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Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg News: Federal stockpile of N95 masks was depleted under Obama and never restocked
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/los-angeles-times-and-bloomberg-news-federal-stockpile-of-n95-masks-was-depleted-under-obama-and-never-restocked