It's Hoyer

[Westside Steve]

A no worries it didn't piss me off. If it had I would have responded with something referring to my dick as per usual around here.

B hey I thought it was a cute post!

 

C meaningful conversation? Dude I was talking to Mik.

 

But the way I see it the term immature is something somebody uses if they don't have anything solid against the kid.

 

didn't one of the Browns players get flagged for taunting last week? I don't remember any of you guys shitting your pants over that. Maybe I just didn't see it...

WSS

[Tour2ma]

Gordon got the "taunting" flag... the play after the Bills' player got one...

 

The reaction in a couple threads here was rightly very critical of Josh. Fortunately he made up for by running a wrong route later... Hoyer's 2nd INT.

[Westside Steve]

Gordon got the "taunting" flag... the play after the Bills' player got one...

 

The reaction in a couple threads here was rightly very critical of Josh. Fortunately he made up for by running a wrong route later... Hoyer's 2nd INT.

Oh I'm hip to the bad route. Now that's one thing that he and Gordon can get together that would improve Hoyer's game.

On the other hand he's missed lots of different receivers that he's had all season to work with. But seriously this really could be the key to his success. We will know in 25 hours.

 

Still while we are in excuse mode Johnny had two passes at least bounce off the receivers hands. No excuse for that either.

 

WSS

[Tour2ma]

Still while we are in excuse mode Johnny had two passes at least bounce off the receivers hands. No excuse for that either.

Not sure how when the WR himself says he ran the wrong route, that qualifies for "excuse mode", but whatever...

 

 

Unless you were counting JM's "infumpletion", only one drop actually... to Dray (S13P2) in JM's second series.

 

One other you may be trying to call a drop was too wide of Benji (S12P5). He barely got a finger tip on it. After play-action left, JM 1/4-rolled right and had pressure in his face and his footwork was well off. Pass still had "some" zip, but wobbled a tad and was wide of the mark. It was his only pressure and, quite understandably, the only time his mechanics were "off".

 

Two completions were helped by nice catches. Dray had great concentration to complement JM's best throw of the game on the deep seam. The only time he targeted Gordo, Josh had to reach behind him on a square in. It was a catch Josh would be expected to make.

[Westside Steve]

An excuse for brians interception. That's all. It meant it wasn't a bad pass.

OK?

[Westside Steve]

(also for other quarterbacks running bad routes or balls bouncing off their hands or dropped never seem to be added on to the other side of the scale)

 

WSS

[Tour2ma]

I historically had not broken down QB play to that level, Steve... May have noted "drop" or occasionally egregious footwork, but that was about it. If you'd read my mid-season comments on Hoyer, they included that his footwork had deteriorated for no apparaent reason.

 

The past two weeks have been more detailed as I wanted to examine BH's footwork. If you read my BH breakdown last week, then you'd know the good, bad and the ugly he displayed.

 

OK?

[Zombo]

I watched Johnny play in HS at Tivoli and every snap at TAMU. Been watching ball since mid 60s and I have never seen a more entertaining player . It makes no sense to try breaking down his skill set or comparing him to anyone else. His intangibles can't be quantified. He doesn't fathom losing; he knows he can win every time he steps on the field. His teammates know he gives 110% and makes them want to do the same.

 

If there was one play that comes closest to showing his heart and talent; it would be this one. Paste it into Youtube and see why the Browns need to put him him at halftime Sunday and never look back.

 

Never Give Up

 

We're not looking for entertaining. We need someone who can WIN at the NFL LEVEL. We'll play him when he's ready. Right now he seems a little reckless and teammates remarked that he may not know all the plays. So simmer down.

 

Zombo

[Lincoln Dukes]

My two sense. 38 year Browns fan. I have to say that the Browns fan base is the best & most loyal fan base around. That said, the younger generation fans are impatient, reactionary & have very little insight or foresight for a football franchise. I do believe the coaching staff is making the decision that will yield better results in the long run.

 

Brian Hoyer has offered the Browns something they haven't had in years. He put the Browns in a position this late in the season to at least flirt with the playoffs. He beat Pittsburgh (almost twice), he beat Cincy, & nearly beat the Ravens. He's smart, & a great game manager. He takes calculated risks & can shine late when the game is on the line, but he only works when the team is working. The reason people THINK he's bad: Every game there has been a suspension (Gordon), a significant injury (too many to list), a trade (Tate), & in general several changes to positioned players.... Hell, they keep changing the guy who snaps him the ball. Anyhow, Brian Hoyer has dealt with it in an amazing way, but here is the issue. The team is wittled down. He has less protection now than ever. He lost two receivers, a TE, & a center amongst others. When the TEAM works, he wins. When the running game stops, & the protection breaks down, Hoyer has problems, but that is hardly all on him. The defensive lines of Jax, & Bills were good. There was nothing Browns could do & Manziel wasn't the answer despite his good drive, & his inexperienced blunder drive. One other issue (& this might sound crazy to some) is Gordon. When Gordon came in, Hoyer went from the "hit the man who's open" guy to the "hit Gordon" guy. This messed Hoyer up big time. Opposing teams are double teaming Gordon number one. Number two, Gordon admitted that he didn't yet have his routes down which has resulted in many incompletions & a couple interceptions (Atlanta, & Buffalo). Despite all this, Hoyer is getting pressure from all sides to give Gordon first looks & more throws. This is not good. Alls Gordon has to do is be on the field. That free's the others up. Hoyer should go back to the "hit the man who's open" guy. Way too many first looks. He is going to Gordon way too much. I'm not saying don't throw to Gordon. I'm saying, let the run game work, then throw to the open man. When they least expect it, hit Gordon stategically for a deep strike, NOT early & often. Gordon will get better, but until then, let Hoyer hit the open man.

 

Browns Colts: It is not a crazy unheard of wacky idea that the Browns come out with a win. Not saying they will win but think about it. The best team IMO that the Colts beat were the Ravens. Colts did crush Cincy, but so did the Browns. Other than that, Colts crushed crappy teams in their own division, & lost big to elite teams. Their running game is subpar, which helps the Browns because that is a weak spot for us. That said, they will not run on the Browns. It's all on Luck. Their pass game is obviously good, but they may not be expecting our pass D. Our pass D has been nothing less than great, even in the Browns losses. They stop drives & make teams settle for field goals more often than not. Luck will get his, but it certainly won't be as easy as most other teams they played this year. I believe that they can be exposed with a great pass D & some pressure from "Freddy" Kruger on 3rd downs. (just sayin)

 

Browns: The run will work tomorrow. I am confident in saying that. & when the run works, Hoyer works. Gordon said that he has his routes down better, & the Colts are without one of their best corners. THE RUN HAS TO WORK OR ELSE NOTHING WORKS.

 

Manziel: Let him marinate at least until we are out of playoff contention. Manziel is going to do some good things, but he is also going to do some bad inexperienced things. That couldn't be more clear in Buffalo. Moreover than that, what would the Browns couching staff look like if he scrambled this year & got hurt? LAUGHING STOCK. Also, he still needs to learn the playbook. I noticed that his scrambling just covers up the fact that he doesn't know it yet. I can tell. He doesn't give looks as if he's looking for something. He's always itchin to run it. Next thing.....Think about next year. Think about the guys coming back from injury, the draft picks, more protection, a whole year of learning the book under his belt. It will not be a new coaching staff or a new system. It's the better move, but the impatient fans (along with the media which I wish didn't exist at all) want to just throw him in for what I think is entertainment value & not stategic planning.

 

To conclude: Hoyer great when run works, protection is there, & he gives all receivers a look like he used too.

Trap game against Colts not out of the realm of possibility.

Let Hoyer take it until Browns are mathmaticly eliminated. He beat Cincy, He beat Pittsburgh, He came damn close to beating the Ravens and will have another chance. He kept us in contention. Sounds silly that Browns fans want to pull him after all the years of bad luck before him. Doesn't make sense. Not only that, the team has injuries. Hardly the time to put a rookie in...... but hell, If Hoyer himself looks like Dawgshit or blows it at some point, put Manzeil in. Not going to defend dawgshit.

 

Just my opinion. Hopefully some of these points are still relevant after the game. haha

[darkside5]

My two sense. 38 year Browns fan. I have to say that the Browns fan base is the best & most loyal fan base around. That said, the younger generation fans are impatient, reactionary & have very little insight or foresight for a football franchise. I do believe the coaching staff is making the decision that will yield better results in the long run.

 

Brian Hoyer has offered the Browns something they haven't had in years. He put the Browns in a position this late in the season to at least flirt with the playoffs. He beat Pittsburgh (almost twice), he beat Cincy, & nearly beat the Ravens. He's smart, & a great game manager. He takes calculated risks & can shine late when the game is on the line, but he only works when the team is working. The reason people THINK he's bad: Every game there has been a suspension (Gordon), a significant injury (too many to list), a trade (Tate), & in general several changes to positioned players.... Hell, they keep changing the guy who snaps him the ball. Anyhow, Brian Hoyer has dealt with it in an amazing way, but here is the issue. The team is wittled down. He has less protection now than ever. He lost two receivers, a TE, & a center amongst others. When the TEAM works, he wins. When the running game stops, & the protection breaks down, Hoyer has problems, but that is hardly all on him. The defensive lines of Jax, & Bills were good. There was nothing Browns could do & Manziel wasn't the answer despite his good drive, & his inexperienced blunder drive. One other issue (& this might sound crazy to some) is Gordon. When Gordon came in, Hoyer went from the "hit the man who's open" guy to the "hit Gordon" guy. This messed Hoyer up big time. Opposing teams are double teaming Gordon number one. Number two, Gordon admitted that he didn't yet have his routes down which has resulted in many incompletions & a couple interceptions (Atlanta, & Buffalo). Despite all this, Hoyer is getting pressure from all sides to give Gordon first looks & more throws. This is not good. Alls Gordon has to do is be on the field. That free's the others up. Hoyer should go back to the "hit the man who's open" guy. Way too many first looks. He is going to Gordon way too much. I'm not saying don't throw to Gordon. I'm saying, let the run game work, then throw to the open man. When they least expect it, hit Gordon stategically for a deep strike, NOT early & often. Gordon will get better, but until then, let Hoyer hit the open man.

 

Browns Colts: It is not a crazy unheard of wacky idea that the Browns come out with a win. Not saying they will win but think about it. The best team IMO that the Colts beat were the Ravens. Colts did crush Cincy, but so did the Browns. Other than that, Colts crushed crappy teams in their own division, & lost big to elite teams. Their running game is subpar, which helps the Browns because that is a weak spot for us. That said, they will not run on the Browns. It's all on Luck. Their pass game is obviously good, but they may not be expecting our pass D. Our pass D has been nothing less than great, even in the Browns losses. They stop drives & make teams settle for field goals more often than not. Luck will get his, but it certainly won't be as easy as most other teams they played this year. I believe that they can be exposed with a great pass D & some pressure from "Freddy" Kruger on 3rd downs. (just sayin)

 

Browns: The run will work tomorrow. I am confident in saying that. & when the run works, Hoyer works. Gordon said that he has his routes down better, & the Colts are without one of their best corners. THE RUN HAS TO WORK OR ELSE NOTHING WORKS.

 

Manziel: Let him marinate at least until we are out of playoff contention. Manziel is going to do some good things, but he is also going to do some bad inexperienced things. That couldn't be more clear in Buffalo. Moreover than that, what would the Browns couching staff look like if he scrambled this year & got hurt? LAUGHING STOCK. Also, he still needs to learn the playbook. I noticed that his scrambling just covers up the fact that he doesn't know it yet. I can tell. He doesn't give looks as if he's looking for something. He's always itchin to run it. Next thing.....Think about next year. Think about the guys coming back from injury, the draft picks, more protection, a whole year of learning the book under his belt. It will not be a new coaching staff or a new system. It's the better move, but the impatient fans (along with the media which I wish didn't exist at all) want to just throw him in for what I think is entertainment value & not stategic planning.

 

To conclude: Hoyer great when run works, protection is there, & he gives all receivers a look like he used too.

Trap game against Colts not out of the realm of possibility.

Let Hoyer take it until Browns are mathmaticly eliminated. He beat Cincy, He beat Pittsburgh, He came damn close to beating the Ravens and will have another chance. He kept us in contention. Sounds silly that Browns fans want to pull him after all the years of bad luck before him. Doesn't make sense. Not only that, the team has injuries. Hardly the time to put a rookie in...... but hell, If Hoyer himself looks like Dawgshit or blows it at some point, put Manzeil in. Not going to defend dawgshit.

 

Just my opinion. Hopefully some of these points are still relevant after the game. haha

 

 

Great post Lincoln . Spot on, and welcome to the board

[Canton Dawg]

My two sense. 38 year Browns fan. I have to say that the Browns fan base is the best & most loyal fan base around. That said, the younger generation fans are impatient, reactionary & have very little insight or foresight for a football franchise. I do believe the coaching staff is making the decision that will yield better results in the long run.

 

Brian Hoyer has offered the Browns something they haven't had in years. He put the Browns in a position this late in the season to at least flirt with the playoffs. He beat Pittsburgh (almost twice), he beat Cincy, & nearly beat the Ravens. He's smart, & a great game manager. He takes calculated risks & can shine late when the game is on the line, but he only works when the team is working. The reason people THINK he's bad: Every game there has been a suspension (Gordon), a significant injury (too many to list), a trade (Tate), & in general several changes to positioned players.... Hell, they keep changing the guy who snaps him the ball. Anyhow, Brian Hoyer has dealt with it in an amazing way, but here is the issue. The team is wittled down. He has less protection now than ever. He lost two receivers, a TE, & a center amongst others. When the TEAM works, he wins. When the running game stops, & the protection breaks down, Hoyer has problems, but that is hardly all on him. The defensive lines of Jax, & Bills were good. There was nothing Browns could do & Manziel wasn't the answer despite his good drive, & his inexperienced blunder drive. One other issue (& this might sound crazy to some) is Gordon. When Gordon came in, Hoyer went from the "hit the man who's open" guy to the "hit Gordon" guy. This messed Hoyer up big time. Opposing teams are double teaming Gordon number one. Number two, Gordon admitted that he didn't yet have his routes down which has resulted in many incompletions & a couple interceptions (Atlanta, & Buffalo). Despite all this, Hoyer is getting pressure from all sides to give Gordon first looks & more throws. This is not good. Alls Gordon has to do is be on the field. That free's the others up. Hoyer should go back to the "hit the man who's open" guy. Way too many first looks. He is going to Gordon way too much. I'm not saying don't throw to Gordon. I'm saying, let the run game work, then throw to the open man. When they least expect it, hit Gordon stategically for a deep strike, NOT early & often. Gordon will get better, but until then, let Hoyer hit the open man.

 

Browns Colts: It is not a crazy unheard of wacky idea that the Browns come out with a win. Not saying they will win but think about it. The best team IMO that the Colts beat were the Ravens. Colts did crush Cincy, but so did the Browns. Other than that, Colts crushed crappy teams in their own division, & lost big to elite teams. Their running game is subpar, which helps the Browns because that is a weak spot for us. That said, they will not run on the Browns. It's all on Luck. Their pass game is obviously good, but they may not be expecting our pass D. Our pass D has been nothing less than great, even in the Browns losses. They stop drives & make teams settle for field goals more often than not. Luck will get his, but it certainly won't be as easy as most other teams they played this year. I believe that they can be exposed with a great pass D & some pressure from "Freddy" Kruger on 3rd downs. (just sayin)

 

Browns: The run will work tomorrow. I am confident in saying that. & when the run works, Hoyer works. Gordon said that he has his routes down better, & the Colts are without one of their best corners. THE RUN HAS TO WORK OR ELSE NOTHING WORKS.

 

Manziel: Let him marinate at least until we are out of playoff contention. Manziel is going to do some good things, but he is also going to do some bad inexperienced things. That couldn't be more clear in Buffalo. Moreover than that, what would the Browns couching staff look like if he scrambled this year & got hurt? LAUGHING STOCK. Also, he still needs to learn the playbook. I noticed that his scrambling just covers up the fact that he doesn't know it yet. I can tell. He doesn't give looks as if he's looking for something. He's always itchin to run it. Next thing.....Think about next year. Think about the guys coming back from injury, the draft picks, more protection, a whole year of learning the book under his belt. It will not be a new coaching staff or a new system. It's the better move, but the impatient fans (along with the media which I wish didn't exist at all) want to just throw him in for what I think is entertainment value & not stategic planning.

 

To conclude: Hoyer great when run works, protection is there, & he gives all receivers a look like he used too.

Trap game against Colts not out of the realm of possibility.

Let Hoyer take it until Browns are mathmaticly eliminated. He beat Cincy, He beat Pittsburgh, He came damn close to beating the Ravens and will have another chance. He kept us in contention. Sounds silly that Browns fans want to pull him after all the years of bad luck before him. Doesn't make sense. Not only that, the team has injuries. Hardly the time to put a rookie in...... but hell, If Hoyer himself looks like Dawgshit or blows it at some point, put Manzeil in. Not going to defend dawgshit.

 

Just my opinion. Hopefully some of these points are still relevant after the game. haha

The JFF booster club won't agree with your views, but I do.

 

Welcome to the Browns Board!

[miktoxic]

Mik anybody that clamors for an injury to any Browns player can suck my dick.

 

But let's not make the decision just because you're mad about Johnny. I think the Alfred E Newman line pretty much sums up your opinion and many of the guys here.

Personally I want to see the money sign 5 times every game at least.

 

Somebody bitched to "act like you've been there before". Well he hasn't. First time in an NFL end zone? What would you do? Apologize?

 

As for smarmy music I'm sure I've written some shit that would make you cringe from embarrassment.

 

WSS

 

i hope you don't think i;m rooting for someone to get hurt, just the opposite. if the browns were healthy at all positions right now i think we'd have 3 more in the wins column and be winning the division.

 

the alfred e. neuman thing was more a joke even though he reminds me of the guy on the cover of mad magazine, with that stupid smirk i see him wearing on the sideline. but looks and immaturity don't bother me if you can win the frickin game. like i've said before, pull a bum out of the gutter if he can win you games consistently. do i love how the kid puts himself out there in the public eye? no. but i understand that this is a new age of self promotion. hell this is the age of selfies and internet bullying so an athlete trying to make money by being out there is fine. just don't get caught doing something stupid that will come back and bite you in the arse.

 

there were plenty of people getting on gordon after the taunting penalty. most of it was in the tavern during the game. after the loss it didn't carry over to the other part of this forum prob because we were more upset with hoyer's play.

 

and your music isn't smarmy, if it is then i like smarmy music i guess. on the other hand your stance on the QB situation is befuddling to me. i see posts where your pro hoyer "love the cleveland kid. he's one of us." then it's as if you can't wait to see him gone and ticked that others are pulling for him. that's where the smarm comes in.

 

but as you said a lot of thing will be cleared up after this game, and i for one can't wait for whatever it is to happen. just get it done. god forbid another off/preseason of not knowing who your QB is. and if i hear the words QB competition next year i'll prob do a dave carradine.

[FairHooker11]

My two sense. 38 year Browns fan. I have to say that the Browns fan base is the best & most loyal fan base around. That said, the younger generation fans are impatient, reactionary & have very little insight or foresight for a football franchise. I do believe the coaching staff is making the decision that will yield better results in the long run.

 

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Browns Colts: It is not a crazy unheard of wacky idea that the Browns come out with a win. Not saying they will win but think about it. The best team IMO that the Colts beat were the Ravens. Colts did crush Cincy, but so did the Browns. Other than that, Colts crushed crappy teams in their own division, & lost big to elite teams. Their running game is subpar, which helps the Browns because that is a weak spot for us. That said, they will not run on the Browns. It's all on Luck. Their pass game is obviously good, but they may not be expecting our pass D. Our pass D has been nothing less than great, even in the Browns losses. They stop drives & make teams settle for field goals more often than not. Luck will get his, but it certainly won't be as easy as most other teams they played this year. I believe that they can be exposed with a great pass D & some pressure from "Freddy" Kruger on 3rd downs. (just sayin)

 

Browns: The run will work tomorrow. I am confident in saying that. & when the run works, Hoyer works. Gordon said that he has his routes down better, & the Colts are without one of their best corners. THE RUN HAS TO WORK OR ELSE NOTHING WORKS.

 

Manziel: Let him marinate at least until we are out of playoff contention. Manziel is going to do some good things, but he is also going to do some bad inexperienced things. That couldn't be more clear in Buffalo. Moreover than that, what would the Browns couching staff look like if he scrambled this year & got hurt? LAUGHING STOCK. Also, he still needs to learn the playbook. I noticed that his scrambling just covers up the fact that he doesn't know it yet. I can tell. He doesn't give looks as if he's looking for something. He's always itchin to run it. Next thing.....Think about next year. Think about the guys coming back from injury, the draft picks, more protection, a whole year of learning the book under his belt. It will not be a new coaching staff or a new system. It's the better move, but the impatient fans (along with the media which I wish didn't exist at all) want to just throw him in for what I think is entertainment value & not stategic planning.

 

To conclude: Hoyer great when run works, protection is there, & he gives all receivers a look like he used too.

Trap game against Colts not out of the realm of possibility.

Let Hoyer take it until Browns are mathmaticly eliminated. He beat Cincy, He beat Pittsburgh, He came damn close to beating the Ravens and will have another chance. He kept us in contention. Sounds silly that Browns fans want to pull him after all the years of bad luck before him. Doesn't make sense. Not only that, the team has injuries. Hardly the time to put a rookie in...... but hell, If Hoyer himself looks like Dawgshit or blows it at some point, put Manzeil in. Not going to defend dawgshit.

 

Just my opinion. Hopefully some of these points are still relevant after the game. haha

 

I think they took a look at Pissburgh game where Rothlisberger had the game of his life - and the colts were crushed

 

seems to fit Hoyer and his 30+ pass attempts, they just need to be completed... Gordon NEEDS to be on the same page

 

then run the ball to keep Luck off the field.

[Tour2ma]

My two sense. 38 year Browns fan.

 

Just my opinion. Hopefully some of these points are still relevant after the game. haha

Nice entrance... and I am not saying that just because I agree with most everything you said... although it helps.

 

Welcome aboard and Go Browns...

[USFBrown]

I watched Johnny play in HS at Tivoli and every snap at TAMU. Been watching ball since mid 60s and I have never seen a more entertaining player . It makes no sense to try breaking down his skill set or comparing him to anyone else. His intangibles can't be quantified. He doesn't fathom losing; he knows he can win every time he steps on the field. His teammates know he gives 110% and makes them want to do the same.

 

If there was one play that comes closest to showing his heart and talent; it would be this one. Paste it into Youtube and see why the Browns need to put him him at halftime Sunday and never look back.

 

Never Give Up

No one here gives a shit if you watched Johnny's birth. There's enough johnny fan boys here. We just want a winner for the browns.

[ballpeen]

Brian Hoyer. Another in a long line of EX Browns QBs.

[Mudfly]

Brian Hoyer. Another in a long line of EX Browns QBs.

You know. you are right, we have just added another head to the pole.....so to speak......another notch in our QB belt.....

 

Next man up......"Mr Football?.....Mr Football?.....are you here?.....you're next......up"

[D Bone]

You know. you are right, we have just added another head to the pole.....so to speak......another notch in our QB belt.....

 

Next man up......"Mr Football?.....Mr Football?.....are you here?.....you're next......up"

 

Yup, and that pole full of heads doesn't look like it is full yet. Hopefully Johnny can keep his head off of it.

[ballpeen]

 

 

 

 

 

I'll up it to a bottle of wine 'Peen- you didn't say starter.

 

I know I didn't say starter. I said even on the team.

 

 

 

I didn't reply earlier because you are a friend and I didn't want to steal your bottle of wine.

 

 

 

I wonder if we are going to hear Hoyer going to the press saying how he should be the starter next week? Brian Hoyer is a ex Browns QB,

 

 

 

[USFBrown]

Just sick of hearing everybody blow Hoyer. If you really want a winner for the Browns, stop propping the dingleberry #6; HE STINKS! I'm really starting to wonder if Clevealnd fans want to win, or if they want to lose with a hometown hero they can pout about on Mondays.

 

Grow a set, stop whining about your little hometown boytoy and put in a winner, JFF!

Show one post where anyone says we want a hometown guy over a winner.

 

We've heard from guys like yoi about how they've watched a qb since high school and how he'll turn the team around. Quinn, Anderson, ect...

 

Don't give a shit what you guys says. None of that matters. Just want a winner. If you want to proclaim his greatness and be here to say I told you so. Then step in line. Theres a long queue. We're still flushing out the Colt McCoy lover boys.

[BaconHound]

I was one of the few, not to Walter or Stockton's level, who wanted Manziel after Jax. It really had less to do with Hoyer's performance as it did with the reality of the NFL. As soon as Manziel came to Cleveland he was going to get AT LEAST an 8 game tryout. Hoyer was going to be looking over his shoulder all season long. Now we have the perfect storm, Hoyer will be gone unless he signs for peanuts to be the backup, Manziel will get significant minutes going forward but will be handed the keys to start next season and I think he is going to be average at best. So next year week 8 we still don't have a QB and we are a season and a half into the "Manziel Era". I hope I'm wrong about Manziel and he's the next Flutie but I really don't see it and I think if he showed it at all in practice he would've gotten a shot much earlier this season.

[USFBrown]

I was one of the few, not to Walter or Stockton's level, who wanted Manziel after Jax. It really had less to do with Hoyer's performance as it did with the reality of the NFL. As soon as Manziel came to Cleveland he was going to get AT LEAST an 8 game tryout. Hoyer was going to be looking over his shoulder all season long. Now we have the perfect storm, Hoyer will be gone unless he signs for peanuts to be the backup, Manziel will get significant minutes going forward but will be handed the keys to start next season and I think he is going to be average at best. So next year week 8 we still don't have a QB and we are a season and a half into the "Manziel Era". I hope I'm wrong about Manziel and he's the next Flutie but I really don't see it and I think if he showed it at all in practice he would've gotten a shot much earlier this season.

 

I was a Hoyer backer because he was winning games and made some last minute drives. Hoyer's strengths WERE (keyword) accuracy, quick throws, and reading the defense. Not sure what happened, maybe the knees or he couldn't handle the pressure. But i have lost faith in him and I believe he lost faith in himself. Time to move on. Thanks for the wins, but it's next man up.

[BaconHound]

 

I was a Hoyer backer because he was winning games and made some last minute drives. Hoyer's strengths WERE (keyword) accuracy, quick throws, and reading the defense. Not sure what happened, maybe the knees or he couldn't handle the pressure. But i have lost faith in him and I believe he lost faith in himself. Time to move on. Thanks for the wins, but it's next man up.

 

It was hard on everyone because the team was winning games but we weren't beating anyone who was any good and the back office is paid to make the best decision for the franchise. I really think they were staying with the "hot hand" because the team hadn't won in such a long time. I hope I'm wrong because if that's the case this back office is really bad not willing to take the "patient" approach they preached all offseason for a 7-9 season. If they really looked at Hoyer's skill set and saw playoff win or future QB they are morons as well.

[ballpeen]

Seems like his motion changed. I am a baseball guy. Was a catcher in college, and coached college aged players for a decade or more, so I get pitching. Seems like Hoyer started throwing a few degrees more overhand which led to a lot more overthrowws. The last 3-4 games he has been sailing the ball well over the heads of his receivers.

[USFBrown]

Seems like his motion changed. I am a baseball guy. Was a catcher in college, and coached college aged players for a decade or more, so I get pitching. Seems like Hoyer started throwing a few degrees more overhand which led to a lot more overthrowws. The last 3-4 games he has been sailing the ball well over the heads of his receivers.

 

Listening on radio, heard them saying he was throwing off his back foot a lot. His feet mechanics have been off.

[BaconHound]

Seems like his motion changed. I am a baseball guy. Was a catcher in college, and coached college aged players for a decade or more, so I get pitching. Seems like Hoyer started throwing a few degrees more overhand which led to a lot more overthrowws. The last 3-4 games he has been sailing the ball well over the heads of his receivers.

While I agree his footwork was off today, sports is a game of confidence and Hoyer lost his 3 games ago.

[Canton Dawg]

While I agree his footwork was off today, sports is a game of confidence and Hoyer lost his 3 games ago.

Nailed it.

[Tour2ma]

Seems like his motion changed. I am a baseball guy. Was a catcher in college, and coached college aged players for a decade or more, so I get pitching.

Maybe so on the wild high throws, but like the above couple posts, I think there is problem lower, i.e., not stepping to his target, and not doing so by a wide margin. If 90 deg is directly at target, he was under 45 deg early and often.

 

What did you do to help a pitcher who was flying open early? Whatever it was, tell Brian before he steps on the field for us again... if he ever does.

[USFBrown]

The Browns would be better off if they would have kept Colt McCoy.

Yes because he did so well here and is doing just as well for redskins. Dude can't handle the weather outside Texas.

[Opal312]

My Name is Hoyer and I'm here to say,

I just don't feel like being benched today.

The Defense came out Smokin

They had scored Fourteen

Now it was up to me,

Just ask Pettine

I threw some interceptions

And couldn't complete a pass

But is that any reason to kick me in the ass?

Ok, we lost another

But what is all the Fuss?

Just because Inthrew my teammates under the bus

It was windy on the field and they ran the wrong routes

What was I supposed to do

I'm not Dan Fouts!

Next week will be different

You can put that in the vault

But just in case we lose

It's not my fault