Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 When Tom Brady was drafted nobody thought he was likely to be Tom Brady. Right, and since Tom Brady has been drafted, there hasn't been another one. He changed the way teams value intangibles like competitive fire and leadership. Goff doesn't possess those qualities, in my opinion. Not to the same extent as Brady. Nobody does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Sure, but if the point is 'Goff dominated the other QBs in this draft class' then it would be nice to see how it stacks up with Wentz, that's my point. Wentz also missed 8 games, so his stats wouldn't have been very flattering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Insider Buzz: NFL GM Expects Goff to Go No. 1 Overall; 'Smartest QB Since Luck'http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2625494-insider-buzz-nfl-gm-expects-goff-to-go-no-1-overall-smartest-qb-since-luck?utm_source=teamstream&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=tsandroid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Insider Buzz: NFL GM Expects Goff to Go No. 1 Overall; 'Smartest QB Since Luck' http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2625494-insider-buzz-nfl-gm-expects-goff-to-go-no-1-overall-smartest-qb-since-luck?utm_source=teamstream&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=tsandroid Wew Lad. Let's hope he falls to #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I still don't see anyone the Titans would be willing to drop for unless the cowgirls go for it. Depends whether they believe this is the best shot they will ever have to find Romo's heir apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Pro Day.... to day.... 12 noon EDT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I still don't see anyone the Titans would be willing to drop for unless the cowgirls go for it. Depends whether they believe this is the best shot they will ever have to find Romo's heir apparent. I agree, unless the pokes or someone else offers up a king's ransom (ref. RGIII type deal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Insider Buzz: NFL GM Expects Goff to Go No. 1 Overall; 'Smartest QB Since Luck' http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2625494-insider-buzz-nfl-gm-expects-goff-to-go-no-1-overall-smartest-qb-since-luck?utm_source=teamstream&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=tsandroid Then I guess we can presume that some team will be willing to trade up to #1? Tits ain't taking him. Who makes that trade? Cowboys? Rams? 49ers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Then I guess we can presume that some team will be willing to trade up to #1? Tits ain't taking him. Who makes that trade? Cowboys? Rams? 49ers? I'd think the 49ers would be the most likely to do it, but I don't see a trade happening at all - Tits likely will want way too much, #1 overalls don't get traded too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 as far as just smart, Goff is not smarter than Wentz. I suppose he meant "football qb smart"... ...Goff is more NFL ready to start. But Wentz is the better pick. I don't see leadership in Goff's personality in interviews. Don't know why, he doesn't smile much, or get intrigued by much. Wentz shows confidence, smiles a lot, has a sense of humor, and a fierce competitiveness about football. As far as trading up to #1... the price a team would have to pay isn't worth the difference between these two excellent qb prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 as far as just smart, Goff is not smarter than Wentz. I suppose he meant "football qb smart"... ...Goff is more NFL ready to start. But Wentz is the better pick. I don't see leadership in Goff's personality in interviews. Don't know why, he doesn't smile much, or get intrigued by much. Wentz shows confidence, smiles a lot, has a sense of humor, and a fierce competitiveness about football. As far as trading up to #1... the price a team would have to pay isn't worth the difference between these two excellent qb prospects. The price is set hy the seller. If the 49ers want to trade up to #1 the Titans may decide its worth their 2017 1st and #7. The price is really set by the market for the pick, not some goofy points system someone made up, if the Titans are determined to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 The price is set by the seller The price is really set by the market These two things don't go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I'd think the 49ers would be the most likely to do it, but I don't see a trade happening at all - Tits likely will want way too much, #1 overalls don't get traded too often. Actually, the thing that should happen is that Kaepernick should stay with the Niners....and play under Chip Kelly's system for which I believe he would be supremely suited to play. But I also really believe that Kaepernik is deploying a certain amount of indirect racial prejudice in his attitude toward Kelly. He perceives that there were certain issues with race on the Eagles....and then prejudges Kelly because of that. Anyone deny that possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 The price is set hy the seller. If the 49ers want to trade up to #1 the Titans may decide its worth their 2017 1st and #7. The price is really set by the market for the pick, not some goofy points system someone made up, if the Titans are determined to sell. Quite true... WSH only was raped because they had to have RG3... Redskins receive: 2012 first-rounder Rams receive: 2012 first-rounder, 2012 second-round selection, 2013 first-rounder, 2014 first-rounder ... and because the Rams "liked" WSH better than they did us... With friends like them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Quite true... WSH only was raped because they had to have RG3... Redskins receive: 2012 first-rounder Rams receive: 2012 first-rounder, 2012 second-round selection, 2013 first-rounder, 2014 first-rounder ... and because the Rams "liked" WSH better than they did us... With friends like them... And what good did all those first round picks do for the Rams. Their track record at drafting in round one is about as bad as the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 And what good did all those first round picks do for the Rams. Their track record at drafting in round one is about as bad as the Browns.Well, they do have 4 first round picks on their DL. They also have a pretty good HC and running game with Gurley. Ironically, the only missing ingredient seems to be lack of a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Well, they do have 4 first round picks on their DL. They also have a pretty good HC and running game with Gurley. Ironically, the only missing ingredient seems to be lack of a franchise QB. Do they now? I used to think so. But, With all that talent....maybe his is overrated. And we know that in LA-LA-Land, if that team does not win in like the first 4 weeks, the city will just ignore the team altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Do they now? I used to think so. But, With all that talent....maybe his is overrated. And we know that in LA-LA-Land, if that team does not win in like the first 4 weeks, the city will just ignore the team altogether. Fisher will never be mentioned in the same breath as Paul Brown or Lombardi, but I would take him as the Browns HC over anyone we've had since '99. Look at what the Tits have accomplished since he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Goff's hand grew to 9.25" at pro day (nevermind, guess it was 9 1/8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Do they sell hand growth hormone pills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Breaking pictures of Goff's hands from pro day. https://ummyummyfood.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/img_1025.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Jared Goff speaking at a press conference following his pro day workout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Breaking pictures of Goff's hands from pro day. https://ummyummyfood.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/img_1025.jpg Bugles.... I remember those... All right... Pro Day is in the books. Commentators giving Goff high marks for his script being loaded with many, high difficulty throws.... many more than the average Pro day. Script totaled just shy of 70 throws. After the script our Pep Hamilton came out with a water bottle and doused the ball for about another half dozen throws of Pep's choice. Undoubtedly a preview of a private workout yet to come. One wobbler was produced, but others were nice, tight throws. Nice performance by Jared "Big Hands" Goff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 My hand measures 101/4th inch.....so I am used to reactions like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Undoubtedly a preview of a private workout yet to come. Ok end the mystery? Listening to Maycock & Polian. Combine & Pro days ends throwing due to new players union rules? At private workout you chalk talk, tape, medical, view gym workout with agent's clearance. No on Field Throwing or on field drills period even RB/WR? Could go back a year or 2.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I was listening to Serius XM NFL radio on the way home today and they made a good point in whether the Browns go with Wentz or Goff. Basically they said that in that division you need a rugged big man in the QB position just because of the nature of the physical defenses they have to go against. They concluded both that since next year's QB class is pretty week and because Wentz is more sturdily build, they would go with him since they are really one - two in the QB class. They would not wait until next year. They think either will be a very good QB, but feel for the guy who has to survive while rebuilding the Browns completely. And of course they mentioned that Hue needs to be given a full 5 years to implement this turnaround. Also said that given how Thomas had at least two very good friends leave the team, they would not be surprised if he requested to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 That would be awesome if we take the less talented guy for his build... But why stop at Wentz? Cardale looks a lot more sturdy to me... Hyperbole aside... Size would be an acceptable tie-breaker, if all else was equal, but I just do not see "all else" even close to being equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 My hand measures 101/4th inch.....so I am used to reactions like this: Devastated that the myth is untrue??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 That would be awesome if we take the less talented guy for his build... But why stop at Wentz? Cardale looks a lot more sturdy to me... Hyperbole aside... Size would be an acceptable tie-breaker, if all else was equal, but I just do not see "all else" even close to being equal. Conversely, it would be awesome to take a more cerebral guy just for his brains. Can Chad Pennington still suit up? One of the most intelligent guys I've ever seen behind center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 watched Goff's pro day - he is terrific. You have to balance his experience, etc, with Wentz's ruggeder? build, and much better, imho, downfield throws with zip on the ball. They said vs Oregon, Goff as a freshman, got pulled from the game in the rain. who cares, he's a freshman. and also said... that Goff had a tough time again, something like 15 of 40, in the wind and rain, again, in Oregon. Of course, he wasn't playing with a terrific cast of other players around him to match up with Oregon. Goff has serious moxie. I'll be impressed with either one - I just think I'd give the edge to Wentz. He has more zip on long throws, and at the combine, he was accurate like crazy throughout. We'll see at his pro day next week, I think it was. But saying that Wentz is less talented is baloney. They have different "A+...s", that's all. Goff did have a few throws, that when he really goes to zing it, a few wobbled... big deal, right? Nope. Interesting to watch Wentz's pro day, and Lynch's pro day, and compare all three after watching them in a row. And Pep put gatorade or water on the ball at the end of practice, and asked Goff to throw five more. That is just funny. Goff zinged the ball, no problem. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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