Mike H Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Gee, lets see....Didn't the Denver Broncos just win a Super Bowl doing that? (Oh...but that is no plan for the Browns to follow) Doh! That's the most important tenant of playing NFL defense. And has been long before the Broncos won the Super Bowl because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 That's the most important tenant of playing NFL defense. And has been long before the Broncos won the Super Bowl because of it. Well we're about to see if the analytics guys come to the same conclusion or if they try to get a pitcher.................err QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Well we're about to see if the analytics guys come to the same conclusion or if they try to get a pitcher.................err QB. Well, he had better be a starter and not a reliever, thats all I got to say..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Well we're about to see if the analytics guys come to the same conclusion or if they try to get a pitcher.................err QB. Hopefully the analytics guys do the smart thing and take the best player: Jalen Ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmDiggy Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Gee, lets see....Didn't the Denver Broncos just win a Super Bowl doing that? (Oh...but that is no plan for the Browns to follow) Doh! You miss the memo Gip? Von Miller doesn't play DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 hoorta- Gip was responding to Mike who said DL's "and edge rushers who could collapse the pocket", so that would include Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 hoorta- Gip was responding to Mike who said DL's "and edge rushers who could collapse the pocket", so that would include Miller. OK, must have missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 #msu QB Connor Cook said he'll meet with #Browns tonight. Looking forward meeting hue Jackson. Would love to play for #Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 #msu QB Connor Cook said he'll meet with #Browns tonight. Looking forward meeting hue Jackson. Would love to play for #Browns" He took three Pamprin to prepare for the interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/ Connor Cook has a private workout with the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/ Connor Cook has a private workout with the Browns. Only if they're planning on taking him @ #32. I wouldn't read much into this- the Browns will workout every viable QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Only if they're planning on taking him @ #32. This is my fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 I don't see Cook being available to us in the second round. I know that just about all of the mock drafts say he will, but something tells me the Broncos will snap him up with the last pick of the first. To me, he makes the most sense for them. Believe it or not, I think Wentz might actually slide. I could see the Rams taking Cook over Wentz because they need a guy right NOW. In many drafts, a QB can slide pretty far down if he makes it by the initial "QB hungry teams". The real question to me is, if Wentz begins to slide, to we make a move to get back into the first round? I would severely doubt it, but we'll see. We've all heard the comments about Cook, and how it appears he wasn't a leader and all that, but how much do we really know about the guy? Is this all conjecture and bullshit? I would say where there's smoke there is fire, but has Cook been in trouble off the field? Does he have any of those red flags? I honestly don't know much about the guy, but what I've seen regarding his ability to play football, he seems like a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 I think Wentz is better than Cook right now, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strglzer Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I don't see Cook being available to us in the second round. I know that just about all of the mock drafts say he will, but something tells me the Broncos will snap him up with the last pick of the first. To me, he makes the most sense for them. Believe it or not, I think Wentz might actually slide. I could see the Rams taking Cook over Wentz because they need a guy right NOW. In many drafts, a QB can slide pretty far down if he makes it by the initial "QB hungry teams". The real question to me is, if Wentz begins to slide, to we make a move to get back into the first round? I would severely doubt it, but we'll see. We've all heard the comments about Cook, and how it appears he wasn't a leader and all that, but how much do we really know about the guy? Is this all conjecture and bullshit? I would say where there's smoke there is fire, but has Cook been in trouble off the field? Does he have any of those red flags? I honestly don't know much about the guy, but what I've seen regarding his ability to play football, he seems like a player. OK, I'm going to chime in on this one, I've worked with Connor Cook's mom for over 25 years, she's been involved in Connor's football career his whole life, and I have followed him at the Green and White..... This kid is squeaky clean, With what I know, I would have no problem with him being the face of any franchise. If you watched him play as I have over his 3 years as a starter, there's no way he's not a leader of men. Alot of what you hear is all about money and to set the order of the draft, This kid is a winner both on an off the field... Goff and Wentz are grabbing all the head lines but Connor is as good as both of them, The team that draft's Connor is going to get the sleeper QB in this draft.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 no, Conner Cook is second tier vs Goff and Wentz. He doesn't have off the field red flags, he just isn't an elite qb prospect. Here's a nice article about the good and not so good about Conner Cook on the field. I think he is more a mid 2nd round pick at best, just my opinion. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2610727-quarterback-connor-cook-is-most-polarizing-player-in-2016-nfl-draft# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I took him in about round 3 for the cowboys and I could see that playing out in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Jon Gruden just said on ESPN that Michigan State's Connor Cook "is gonna be the best QB in this draft." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Jon Gruden just said on ESPN that Michigan State's Connor Cook "is gonna be the best QB in this draft." Nail in the coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 no, Conner Cook is second tier vs Goff and Wentz. He doesn't have off the field red flags, he just isn't an elite qb prospect. Here's a nice article about the good and not so good about Conner Cook on the field. I think he is more a mid 2nd round pick at best, just my opinion. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2610727-quarterback-connor-cook-is-most-polarizing-player-in-2016-nfl-draft# ESPN was discussing him- Knocks are completion % and accuracy. Jon Gruden just said on ESPN that Michigan State's Connor Cook "is gonna be the best QB in this draft." I saw that during the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I don't like Cook for many reasons, some I have already said. Plus his arm strength is poor. Know how many QBs have succeeded with a bad arm? Not many. Cook is now expected to take a major drop down the draft boards after registering a 50mph velocity at the combine. He had the weakest arm out of any QB at the combine. In comparison Kellen Moore threw a 52 mph ball at the combine. Michigan State's Connor Cook registered a velocity measurement of just 50 miles per hour on the radar gun at the NFL Combine.Paxton Lynch (59 MPH), Jared Goff (58), and Carson Wentz (57) all exhibited strong velocity at the Combine. Per Rotoviz's Jon Moore via Ourlads' Dan Shonka, Cook's miles-per-hour measurement was the weakest of all quarterbacks invited to Indianapolis. Cook also opted out of the Senior Bowl, which is where NFL scouts assess throwing strength live. A big-named passer in college, Cook is likely headed for a draft-day plunge. And there are several additional red flags on Cook not related to his underwhelming passing ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I don't like Cook for many reasons, some I have already said. Plus his arm strength is poor. Know how many QBs have succeeded with a bad arm? Not many. Cook is now expected to take a major drop down the draft boards after registering a 50mph velocity at the combine. He had the weakest arm out of any QB at the combine. In comparison Kellen Moore threw a 52 mph ball at the combine. Michigan State's Connor Cook registered a velocity measurement of just 50 miles per hour on the radar gun at the NFL Combine. Paxton Lynch (59 MPH), Jared Goff (58), and Carson Wentz (57) all exhibited strong velocity at the Combine. Per Rotoviz's Jon Moore via Ourlads' Dan Shonka, Cook's miles-per-hour measurement was the weakest of all quarterbacks invited to Indianapolis. Cook also opted out of the Senior Bowl, which is where NFL scouts assess throwing strength live. A big-named passer in college, Cook is likely headed for a draft-day plunge. And there are several additional red flags on Cook not related to his underwhelming passing ability. Do you know how fast some current or former NFL QBs have thrown the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Do you know how fast some current or former NFL QBs have thrown the ball? Year: 2016 Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59 Jared Goff, California 58 Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57 Christian Hackenberg, Penn State 56 Joel Stave, Wisconsin 56 Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56 Josh Woodrum, Liberty 56 Cody Kessler, Southern Cal 55 Brandon Allen, Arkansas 55 Trevone Boykin, TCU 55 Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54 Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54 Kevin Hogan, Stanford 53 Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky 53 Vernon Adams, Oregon 53 Jeff Driskel, Louisana Tech 52 Connor Cook, Michigan State 50 Cardale Jones, Ohio State, Did not throw Bryan Bennett, SE Louisiana Year: 2015 Bryan Bennett, SE Louisiana 60 Sean Mannion, Oregon State 57 Brandon Bridge, South Alabama 57 Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56 Anthony Boone, Duke 56 Jameis Winston, Florida State 55 Cody Fajardo, Nevada 55 Bryce Petty, Baylor 53 Brett Hundley, UCLA 53 Shane Carden, East Carolina 52 Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View A&M 51 Nick Marshall, Auburn 50 Blake Sims, Alabama 42 Garrett Grayson, Colorado State, Did not throw Connor Halliday, Washington State, Did not throw Jimmy Garoppolo – 2014 YEAR: 2014 Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 60 Stephen Morris, Miami 59 Tom Savage, Pittsburgh 57 Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56 Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56 Jeff Mathews, Cornell 56 Keith Wenning, Ball State 56 Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois 55 Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54 Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54 David Fales, San Jose State 53 AJ McCarron, Alabama 53 Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53 Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50 Teddy Twatwater, Louisville – Did not throw Derek Carr, Fresno State – Did not throw Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M – Did not throw Zach Mettenberger, LSU – Did not throw Aaron Murray, Georgia – Did not throw Geno Smith – 2013 YEAR: 2013 Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59 Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59 James Vandenberg, Iowa 57 Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56 Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56 Geno Smith, West Virginia 55 Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55 EJ Manuel, Florida State 54 Matthew Scott, Arizona 54 Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53 Collin Klein, Kansas State 52 Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51 Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51 Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49 Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw Brandon Weeden – 2012 YEAR: 2012 Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59 Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59 Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi 58 Nick Foles, Arizona 57 Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois 57 Jordan Jefferson, LSU 57 Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55 Casey Keenum, Houston 55 Patrick Witt, Yale 54 Darron Thomas, Oregon 53 Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52 Kellen Moore, Boise State 52 Jacory Harris, Miami 50 Aaron Corp, Richmond 50 BJ Coleman, Tennessee-Chattanooga Did not throw Robert Griffin III, Baylor Did not throw Andrew Luck, Stanford Did not throw Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Did not throw Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M Did not throw Andy Dalton 2011 YEAR: 2011 Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59 Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58 Patrick Devlin, Delaware 56 Andy Dalton, TCU 56 Cam Newton, Auburn 56 Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 55 Nathan Enderle, Idaho 54 Jake Locker, Washington 54 TJ Yates, North Carolina 52 Christian Ponder, Florida St 51 Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50 Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50 Greg McElroy, Alabama Did not throw Blaine Gabbert, Missouri Did not throw John Skelton 2010 YEAR: 2010 Levi Brown, Troy 56 Colt McCoy, Texas 56 (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball. Max Hall, BYU 52 Tim Hiller, Western Michigan 52 Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52 Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St. 52 Jevan Snead, Mississippi 52 Sean Canfield, Oregon St. 51 Jarrett Brown, West Virginia 50 John Skelton, Fordham 50 Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan 49 Tony Pike, Cincinnati 49 Armanti Edwards, Appalachian St. 46.5 Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Did not throw Jimmy Clausen,Notre Dame Did not throw Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee Did not throw Tim Tebow, Florida Did not throw Josh Freeman 2009 YEAR: 2009 John Wilson Parker, Alabama 58 Mike Reilly, Central Washington 58 Drew Willy, Buffalo 58 Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57 Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57 Chase Daniels, Missouri 57 Nate Davis, Ball State 56 Curtis Painter, Purdue 56 Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 55 Tom Brandstetter, Fresno State 53 Cullen Harper, Clemson 53 Stephen McGee, Texas A & M 53 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 52 Pat White, West Virginia 52 Matt Stafford, Georgia Did not throw Joe Flacco 2008 YEAR 2008: Paul Smith, Tulsa 57 Joe Flacco, Delaware 55 Kevin O’Connell, San Diego St 55 Brian Brohm, Louisville 53 Chad Henne, Michigan 53 Erik Ainge, Tennessee 52 John David Booty, Southern Cal 51 Matt Flynn, LSU 50 Josh Johnson, San Diego 49 Colt Brennan, Hawaii 44 Dennis Dixon, Oregon Did not throw Matt Ryan, Boston College Did not throw Andre Woodson, Kentucky Did not throw Connor Shaw, Ricky Stanzi and Tyrod Taylor are the most notable players to hit just 50 MPH since 2008. Not a great group to be in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting) Hey Dan -- how are the velocity speeds calculated for this? http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ … Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills? Mar 2 Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque... Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 As a HS football scout this is LOL Gold. Gip, these scouts have got all the info anybody would need. Does a college or pro head of scouting trust the info? No way José. Did we see Hue & staff with Wentz & Goff. Hell Yes,(with our old scouting masters still in place . I don't blame them).. They have their own OWN IT answer. We will see & We will all know at pick#2.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting) Hey Dan -- how are the velocity speeds calculated for this? http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ … Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills? Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque... Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me Verrrryyyy interesting Mike. Shows just because you can throw rockets doesn't guarantee NFL success. Fer sure, looks like you had better be in the mid 50s+ though. Regarding Cook- weak arm + I forgot he skipped the Senior Bowl + was never voted a team Captain- steer clear MHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 FWIW, Cook hurt his throwing shoulder in November 2015 and may not have been fully healed by the time the combine measurement was taken. I still didn't see a "live" arm before the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59 Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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