bbedward Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Garapollos biggest knock isn't a weak arm, it's that he hasn't played top competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 2014 Senior Bowl Tuesday...While Carr is the top quarterback on the South roster, Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo has been the next-most-impressive at the position and, in my opinion, is the second-best quarterback in Mobile. He doesn't have elite arm strength, but his velocity is good enough and it has been noticeably better than the arm strength of San Jose State QB David Fales, the other quarterback on the South team. Garoppolo started to build some momentum in St. Petersburg last week at the East-West Shrine Game and it's continuing here at the Senior Bowl. He projects as a solid second day draft choice and a future starter in a year or two in the NFL. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com Dane Brugler's analysis > yours. No one said his arm strength was WEAK, just that it could be better. I haven't seen anything from Manziel to make me think his arm strength is much better. His arm strength is more than adequate for an NFL QB. I'm not saying he's elite or anything, but his arm strength and velocity are good enough. I like his accuracy and touch, although I saw it waiver a bit under pressure. Good developmental QB IMO. He's not a Dalton or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackbrownie2 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Thanks, I feel better about it already. I can't believe I was so stupid, that, after watching several of his games, I noticed a weakness in his otherwise clean skill-set. Your impressive breakdown of his arm strength really opened my eyes. If you look at competition when evaluating QBs, you can say the same thing about Teddy Twatwater. For the most part, he played cupcakes. Thank God actual draft analysts don't let that deter them they see real translatable skills in prospects. You are ripping someone because they don't have the same opinion as an NFL scout? There are plenty of NFL analysts with differing opinions and even the best make plenty of mistakes. YOU aren't an analyst. Quit being a douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I wrote scouting notes for Dan Shonka at Ourlads this year. Some of those will be in the scouting books teams have on their table during the draft. I'm no pro, but I know to value Brugler over bbdeward on theBrownsboard.comWell, Brugler still said he'll be a starter in a year or two right? Brugler doesn't make Garrapolo sound too bad at all. His arm strength is far from the worst in the draft. Don't be a closed minded schmuck. This is a discussion board. I'm not on any one of these QBs that hard, but nobody really has much bad to say about garappolo, including me. The "professionals" are interested in garappolo too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 this QB class is sooooo fucking over rated. the fact of the matter is there are so many teams looking to land their franchise QB with this upcoming draft that it has every other one of the other teams looking at QBs make all these guys seem irresistible to all these franchises including the browns. what, do you think rome was built in a day? do you think we need help with other positions? do you think the next class of QBs next year will be worse than this year's? i would ask half you guys just to slow down a second or two and really think about what you are willing to do to get someone you are in love with (see PoG in your mirror). we have a HUGE opportunity this coming draft to upgrade both sides of the ball. if we don't get these guys in the draft, do you think we can get them in FA considering no coach wanted to touch this job with a ten foot pole? i wouldn't mind getting someone in a later round that might develop into something special sitting behind the starters we will have coming into training camp, and hey if the guy actually beats out hoyer or campbell in training camp, then start him. i'd rather concentrate on getting getting 5-6 quality rookie starters that boost performance and stats both on D and O this year, see what hoyer can do with more talent around him, and if he's the guy fine. if not go all in in 2015 for QB. i don't care if peyton manning plays behind our OL next year, we still ain't going anywhere until we fix all the other problems non-QB related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'd take a flyer on Jimmy @ 3 or 4. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 This same logic has gotten the Browns 4 and 5 win seasons since 2007. I'm guilty of it, too, wanting to give Weeden and Quinn their "shot"... Giving Hoyer his shot doesn't mean you can't take a QB to compete with him/learn under him for a year. With Hoyers small frame, I'm worried about him staying healthy at the NFL level. He has an injury history in the league.---see, this can work both ways. Can still draft a QB and add 5-6 rookie starters, including playmakers at RB and WR to go with Gordon and Cameron. What other holes are left? ILB, CB, OG. They have FA and SEVEN other picks to use or trade up to get those players. Not every team has pro bowlers at every position. Peyton manning makes his injured line look good. The Broncos defense isn't exactly dominating anyone either. If a team has a good QB, it masks a lot of things. I don't care how they get a QB, at what draft slot, but it's insane to think they won't. It's even crazier to plan on Hoyer being a long-term franchise QB without having a backup plan. It's written on the wall in their draft war room... The road to the super bowl. "We will have a CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL QB" I don't think my opinion or anything else is better than yours, I think my understanding of their philosophy and the game itself is, though. It's no secret that we're taking a QB. People just want to give hoyer a shot. Otherwise I agree with you, but I wouldnt go around saying "I'm not saying my opinion is better, but I really think it is because I understand the game better" The odds of us finding a Peyton manning in this draft are very slim though, so I'm more in favor of us building a defensive Baltimore/Seattle/SF type of team that can win with a competent QB. I don't know who that guy is whether it be bortles, manziel, bridgewater, Carr, garappolo - but that's what we have to talk about until draft day. It's just not a good comparison to say "look at Peyton's broncos, their defense isn't that great nor is their o-line." I hope we find our Peyton manning, but shit at this point I'll take a foles, wilson, kaepernick, ben. Flacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'd take a flyer on Jimmy @ 3 or 4. WSS Meaning round 3 or 4....... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Meaning round 3 or 4....... WSS Yeah he is definitely worth a late flyer. Develop behind the first rounder and Hoyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 This same logic has gotten the Browns 4 and 5 win seasons since 2007. I'm guilty of it, too, wanting to give Weeden and Quinn their "shot"... Giving Hoyer his shot doesn't mean you can't take a QB to compete with him/learn under him for a year. With Hoyers small frame, I'm worried about him staying healthy at the NFL level. He has an injury history in the league.---see, this can work both ways. Can still draft a QB and add 5-6 rookie starters, including playmakers at RB and WR to go with Gordon and Cameron. What other holes are left? ILB, CB, OG. They have FA and SEVEN other picks to use or trade up to get those players. Not every team has pro bowlers at every position. Peyton manning makes his injured line look good. The Broncos defense isn't exactly dominating anyone either. If a team has a good QB, it masks a lot of things. I don't care how they get a QB, at what draft slot, but it's insane to think they won't. It's even crazier to plan on Hoyer being a long-term franchise QB without having a backup plan. It's written on the wall in their draft war room... The road to the super bowl. "We will have a CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL QB" I don't think my opinion or anything else is better than yours, I think my understanding of their philosophy and the game itself is, though. The Pittsburgh model- draft your franchise qb last seemed to work out well. I'd daresay Kapernick and Wilson were among the last pieces of the puzzle in SF and Seattle. & you know it & I know if- if Winston and Mariotta were in this draft it would slide everyone else down two slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I could care less if we didnt draft a QB in this years draft or not...None of the prospects look like a sure fire hit in this draft...Id rather take Sammy Watkins and take a flyer on fales or garappolo and develope them as a potential starter/backup behind Hoyer. I wont be disappointed either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 The Pittsburgh model- draft your franchise qb last seemed to work out well. I'd daresay Kapernick and Wilson were among the last pieces of the puzzle in SF and Seattle. & you know it & I know if- if Winston and Mariotta were in this draft it would slide everyone else down two slots. Not so sure about the Winston and Mariota part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 The Browns have drafted tons of young talent. 6 pro bowlers. You're blind if you think the team isnt the right mix of young talent and veterans, to be successful on Sundays. Can't do that without a QB. It's been real fun, good luck. Mike, no one is debating not taking a qb- it's where and when do we draft one. I don't want the Browns to take a half-assed swing at a half-assed talent. If the Browns brass doesn't see multiple Pro Bowl level qb talent, personally- I'd pass.Go with Hoyer and take a developmental guy later. Gip put out the facts- There isn't a Manning, Brady or Brees in every draft- and you don't have to draft him top 5 either. You have to go back 10 years to find two stud qbs top five same draft- Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers. Plenty of those years no qb was taken top 5, and this might just be the year to take a pass. It's early yet- we'll see what transpires at the combine and private workouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Take him if he is there. Period. (I hate QB's , but we need one behind Hoyer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffinwv Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 in college way way better in every facet of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Credibility gone???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 We need a QB that's better in the pros then in college Someone like Wilson, Kaepernick, Brady, Montana, Aikmen,Marino.............................................. When are the Browns going to get a guy that changes the game? WE NEED A BETTER FRONT OFFICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 in college way way better in every facet of the game Wilson - 72.8% comp. 191.8 Rate. 33 TDs, 4 INTs (in 309 pass attempts) 338 rush yds. 6 rush TDs (in 79 rush attempts) - in 2011 Manziel - 69.9% comp. 172.9 Rate. 37 TDs. 13 INTs (in 429 pass attempts) 759 rush yds, 9 rush TDs (in 144 rush attempts) - in 2013 hmm.... way better huh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffinwv Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 well....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Wilson - 72.8% comp. 191.8 Rate. 33 TDs, 4 INTs (in 309 pass attempts) 338 rush yds. 6 rush TDs (in 79 rush attempts) - in 2011 Manziel - 69.9% comp. 172.9 Rate. 37 TDs. 13 INTs (in 429 pass attempts) 759 rush yds, 9 rush TDs (in 144 rush attempts) - in 2013 hmm.... way better huh?? how about the same, and now Wilson is a SUPERBOWL CHAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 well....lol He ment if he played for Cleveland. College held him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffinwv Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 He is....I guess that's a good sign for Manziel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Wilson won a super bowl, he's better at this point in time. When johnny plays at the same level I'll give him that credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 how about the same, and now Wilson is a SUPERBOWL CHAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and he did very little QB-wise to put up the points seattle did. yes he moved the chains when needed to, but the special teams and WR efforts (kearse and harvin) far outdid anything wilson did. a QB passing league? yeah ok. didn't manning set a completion record tonite and their asses are smeared all over the jersey turnpike. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Take him if he is there. Period. (I hate QB's , but we need one behind Hoyer) Sorry Roach- I don't know what Super Bowl you just watched- but the Seahawks won that game with a stellar defense and a third round quarterback calling the shots. They probably would have won that game with Brandon Weeden at quarterback, certainly with Hoyer. You don't win games when the other team forces 4 turnovers. Seattle made Peyton Manning look like Peyton Crapola- he had miniscule windows to throw into the whole game, and his receivers were getting killed on all the short stuff he was trying- until the 'Hawks justifiably went into prevent mode being up by 30. . BTW I remember Lawrence Taylor & Co. making Joe Montana look like Joe Blow in a playoff game way back. There's two ways to win a football game- score more points than the other guys- or make the other guys score fewer points than you do. I just hope this defensive tour de force by the Seahawks shuts up the qb homos for a week or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffinwv Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 When they got pressure on Manning he was awful...his throws were way off and he couldn't move at all. A QB like Manziel woulda scrambled and made something outa nothing in some of those situations.A scrabling QB woulda made that a different superbowl. I magine Manziel rolling out of the pocket where the Doomy D cant just rush one area of the field make them cover the whole field. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 God u are such a tag. We get it ud let john football fuck u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffinwv Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 tag or fag? lol Im not gay BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Sometimes he gets his favorite fans to do it too. I heard it's the only way he can get off these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffinwv Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I bought one he signed for me about a year ago...Its in my trophy case beside Weedens potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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