Zombo Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Seriously how many years do we have to go three qbs deep? This year we did it with a twist. started McCown, hurt 1st game Quickly to Manziel Back to Mccown when healthy Back to Manziel when Josh hurt again. Manziel named starter when season is lost. Manziel fails the bye week. Mccown starts again, injured again Austin Davis starts Manziel out of doghouse, starts again. Davis starts finale when Johnny gets concussion out of nowhere. That is 8 QB changes in 16 games folks. Something tells me we will see Pryor too. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I would not be surprised if Davis plays really well against Pittsburgh. Only thingto worry about is miscommunication with wr like at Baltimore. But with the Offensive line and Running game playing at the best it has all year this could be an excellent chance to see the comparison between John and Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Actually Westside, you both made good points; but, I think mud is saying we would not have had to use another offense if we had 3 similar QBs and the Cinn game would not have been so bad. At least that is how I read it; I could be wrong. I didn't think they had to. Kyle Shanahan thought they had to. And I think it was a miscalculation. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Problem is that the differences are not "slight" when JM is in the mix. Tell you what, call me when the rest of the team blocks tackles and runs the ball. Even your boy Hoyer looked OK on the occasions they did that. At least once in awhile. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I think Flip is pretty good, actually. Zombo I'm glad someone else has noticed this. there are still a few times where you smack your forehead and say what the hell was that, but I'll take his rookie year over Manziel rookie and sophomore year every time. But you do? Zombo Hahahahhahahaha. And hasn't even looked at this thread since. Right now Zombo is backpeddling down the court posing the broken goose neck because he just drained it. Manziel the reason the defense and running game have been 1000x better as of late? He has "shown flashes" running around and escaping pressure in the pocket. But I haven't seen any flashes when it comes to making the reads, being accurate, etc. The guy will have the cleanest pocket in the world, then instead of stepping up and making the throw like other quarterbacks he opens his body up and throws it off the back foot 3 YDs behind the receiver. And he continues to just chuck the ball up for grabs at midfield to avoid taking a sack. I could have accepted that mistake a couple times from a rookie - but he isn't a rookie and he has done it repeatedly. I'm sick of hearing this bullshit too. They have been piggybacking off of last years running scheme with no success. since flip made the adjustments the rushing attack run blocking and even pass blocking has been better. more of a testament to flip than to Manziel. You are back to my first excuse buffer in my first post. We are right around 13 points per game when Manziel starts or has the majority of snaps over the past two years. Hoyer in 2014 ... 21.3 McCown in 2015 ... 21.8 Johnny ... 13.1 Same team. Same weapons. And I am even willing to throw 2014 out because Little Johnny forgot to practice n stuff. But in 2015 ... 21.8 with McCown and 15.3 for Johnny 6.5 points a game. I know you all want to give him another year, just like those that wanted to give Brady Quinn another year. Can't you just look at him and see how far away he is and how improbable it is that he'll ever be a trusted franchise QB? I can. I'm not patting myself on the back or anything ... I don't want him to fail, I root for him like he's my son on Sundays. I even started him on playoff fantasy team down the stretch ... I'm just saying ... Can't you see it? He's got major passing issues. We have. And now, I'm saying ... it's time to try again. Zombo And FYI Drew Brees and Russel Wilson will never be at the top of the Draft board for those who like to compare JM to them. You find these guys by accident basically. Like Ghoolie said we need standards. And one of them standards should be never take a qb in the draft that is shorter than 6'3". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkid3 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Yet Manziel had more wins... played less games in a row. If given a full season he would have done a lot better then mccown. Not saying Manziel is a franchise qb. But comparing him to a career backup that only won 1 game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joedawg69 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 OK, I see where you are coming from westside; but, do you really think Manziel could have run the offense the way it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Again, Johnny Hater On The Spot, this certainly isn't a fault of Johnny's but when you have a run first, small QB injuries seem a lot more likely. Again it seems like a no brainer to part ways when it doesn't appear that he is the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Again, Johnny Hater On The Spot, this certainly isn't a fault of Johnny's but when you have a run first, small QB injuries seem a lot more likely. Again it seems like a no brainer to part ways when it doesn't appear that he is the future.Unlike Josh, the man of glass?Or Dalton or Hoyer or... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 OK, I see where you are coming from westside; but, do you really think Manziel could have run the offense the way it was?Why not?It has been basically vanilla. I mean there were a lot of weird signals to call but I never saw anything complicated, did you? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Unlike Josh, the man of glass? Or Dalton or Hoyer or... WSS I think the Browns organization, and fans, would be very happy with Andy Dalton being the starter week 1 2016. The other 2 seem are just place holders until you find "the guy". Johnny is also a place holder but one with baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 And to be honest I do fault Johnny for not knowing the offence the first year. I've never argued that. So when you pull out a completely new one when he didn't know the old one and expect the rest of the team to be on the same page... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Hey it only gets better Tramon Williams is on the concussion protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Johnny Manziel theme song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I think the Browns organization, and fans, would be very happy with Andy Dalton being the starter week 1 2016. The other 2 seem are just place holders until you find "the guy". Johnny is also a place holder but one with baggage. Yeah? You think Andy Dalton would be going to the playoffs with this team? Guess it's a good thing he didn't get shitcanned early in Cincinnati? Along with the coaching staff and front office. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why?!?!? Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Austin "Wounded Duck" Davis . . . Woo Can't wait til this season is finally over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Hey it only gets better Tramon Williams is on the concussion protocol. Can we just forfeit, and get it over with? Or is every guy with a f**king headache now in "concussion protocol"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joedawg69 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Oh, I am sure it did not help him any; but I am just not sure anything can help him. He reminds me to much of Brady Quinn whom I also did not like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Can we just forfeit, and get it over with? Or is every guy with a f**king headache now in "concussion protocol"? I have a feeling that it's more like our guys know Pitt is coming off a bad loss and Sunday is going to be a bloodbath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 There goes the season down the toilet. One of the best I've read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Johnny Manziel theme song Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Yet Manziel had more wins... played less games in a row. If given a full season he would have done a lot better then mccown. Not saying Manziel is a franchise qb. But comparing him to a career backup that only won 1 game...yea but the real honest difference is in the Baltimore win and any other game the browns coulda won McCown absolutely carried the team. John needs a lot of help to win. Always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 yea but the real honest difference is in the Baltimore win and any other game the browns coulda won McCown absolutely carried the team. John needs a lot of help to win. Always will. You mean a guy 4 starts into his career was less adept at reading defenses than a guy who's been playing since 1942? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Oh, I am sure it did not help him any; but I am just not sure anything can help him. He reminds me to much of Brady Quinn whom I also did not like.I don't get that comparison at all. For one thing he's 6 foot 3 and 235 pounds. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 You mean a guy 4 starts into his career was less adept at reading defenses than a guy who's been playing since 1942?maybe we going about it all wrong. He couldn't beat out "backup" Hoyer. Couldn't beat out much older "backup" McCown. Maybe it's time to bring in Hasselbeck? Maybe just then Manzeil would be best option to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 maybe we going about it all wrong. He couldn't beat out "backup" Hoyer. Couldn't beat out much older "backup" McCown. Maybe it's time to bring in Hasselbeck? Maybe just then Manzeil would be best option to win. You mean a rookie with 0 starts couldn't bear out a guy with 6 years experience? Then a guy with 2 and a half starts couldn't beat out a guy with a million years experience? Surely a guy with 6 starts can beat out a guy with a million years experience AND a super bowl appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Yeah? You think Andy Dalton would be going to the playoffs with this team? Guess it's a good thing he didn't get shitcanned early in Cincinnati? Along with the coaching staff and front office. WSS The simple point being made is small running QBs have prove susceptible to injury. Which is just another check in the "cut ties" column for Johnny Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 You mean a rookie with 0 starts couldn't bear out a guy with 6 years experience? Then a guy with 2 and a half starts couldn't beat out a guy with a million years experience? Surely a guy with 6 starts can beat out a guy with a million years experience AND a super bowl appearance. Blake Bortles beat out Chad Henne. Teddy Twatwater beat out Matt Cassell Derek Carr beat out Matt Schaub You mean a first round pick couldn't beat out EITHER Brian Hoyer (Career backup with 3 wins) OR Josh McCown (Career backup coming off 1-10 season)? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 The simple point being made is small running QBs have prove susceptible to injury. Which is just another check in the "cut ties" column for Johnny Manziel.si si si senor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Browns' Manziel diagnosed with concussion; unlikely to play Sunday vs. Steelers Dec 30 2015, 3:57 PMJoe Thomson Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has been diagnosed with a concussion and is not expected to play against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday. good time for him to go out and take somemore selfies of himself and piss pettine off.....this is hilarious...best comedy show i have seen since i don't know when...hee hee heeeeeee. Only in cleeeeeeeevelin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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