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[calfoxwc]

45 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

Lol. You posted that again and still didn't read the bottom.

Damn you are stupid. 

no, you are just being as ass. I think clevis has taken over your account.

I am fair and balanced. You are a trolling bigot, an eggsucking liberal weiner, and you suck bilgewater out of three rivers scum river.

oh, and you are also mean, terrible, ignorant, wicked bad and nasty.

[The Cysko Kid]

You still didn't read it stupid. You're crowing about the anti gay movement when it clearly states at the bottom he left that and started a group for gay christians. 

[OldBrownsFan]

19 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Why would I want to worship the guy that doesn't want me to eat from the tree of knowledge?

But now through Jesus we are eating from the tree of life:

(John 4:13-14) Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, {14} “but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

(John 6:47-48) “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. {48} “I am the bread of life.

[MLD Woody]

6 minutes ago, hoorta said:

You forgetting that's a myth too, like Noah's Ark?   

It's not a slippery slope Woody- just the eventual conclusion of the way "acceptance of other lifestyles" is going to wind up. 

And we have to have equal understanding of pedophiles as anyone who's a homosexual- they don't have any choice either- that's where your "consensual" argument blows up. 

Sarcasm intended.  

.....

It doesn't matter if it's a myth because we're talking about what you believe. What you believe is what it is. And that belief is saying the tree of knowledge is bad. No thanks.

 

The argument isn't blown up at all. There is a very clear distinction between both. You refuse to see it because at the heart of your belief is the desire to discriminate against another group. The equivalency you're making is another example of that. 

Discrimination hiding behind religion

[MLD Woody]

2 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

But now through Jesus we are eating from the tree of life:

(John 4:13-14) Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, {14} “but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

(John 6:47-48) “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. {48} “I am the bread of life.

You see nothing fishy at all with your religion telling you to essentially reject knowledge?

[The Cysko Kid]

Your insults are as laughable as your intelligence. Why don't you go swill down some root beer? Maybe it will make you smarter like some kind of Retarded Popeye. 

[The Cysko Kid]

3 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

You see nothing fishy at all with your religion telling you to essentially reject knowledge?

"But if you know stuff you'll just want to know more stuff. That's no way to live. Just do the stuff I say and let me handle the thinkin' "

-Jesus (paraphrased)

[tiamat63]

2 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Actually conservative doesn't equal Anarchy even though that's one way of looking at it. I guess. 

WSS

I'm not advocating for anarchy.

[calfoxwc]

15 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

You still didn't read it stupid. You're crowing about the anti gay movement when it clearly states at the bottom he left that and started a group for gay christians. 

of course I read it. I just included it because it's true. Unlike your epithets against all Christians...

[calfoxwc]

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The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible. We have listed statements ...

Science and the Bible
	The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible. We have listed statements on this page that are consistent with known scientific facts. Many of them were listed in the Bible hundreds or even thousands of years before being recorded elsewhere. Many concepts and notes on this page are adapted from ideas and statements that appear in The DEFENDER’S Study Bible.[1] Statements Consistent With Paleontology Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible. (Actually reading the Bible would help, though. ) Click this sentence to see our Dinosaurs page if you would like more information in this subject area. Statements Consistent With Astronomy The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.   Genesis 22:17 Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.   Jeremiah 33:22 “As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.” Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?) The Bible also says that each star is unique.   1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.) The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.   Jeremiah 31:35,36 Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for a light by day, The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night, Who disturbs the sea, And its waves roar (The LORD of hosts is His name): “If those ordinances depart From before Me, says the LORD, Then the seed of Israel shall also cease From being a nation before Me forever.” The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.   Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.   Statements Consistent With Meteorology The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.   Ecclesiastes 1:6 The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit. The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.   Job 28:25 To establish a weight for the wind, And apportion the waters by measure. The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.) Statements Consistent With Biology The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.   Leviticus 17:11 ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’ The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.[1] The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living organism.   Genesis 1:11,12 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.   Genesis 1:21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.   Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. The phrase “according to its kind” occurs repeatedly, stressing the reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their genetic codes.[1] The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.   Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.   Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return. It is a proven fact that a person’s mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health.[1] The Bible revealed this to us with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.   Proverbs 12:4 An excellent wife is the crown of her husband, But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.   Proverbs 14:30 A sound heart is life to the body, But envy is rottenness to the bones.   Proverbs 15:30 The light of the eyes rejoices the heart, And a good report makes the bones healthy.   Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words are like a honeycomb, Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.   Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart does good, like medicine, But a broken spirit dries the bones. Statements Consistent With Anthropology We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves. The Bible also describes cave men.   Job 30:5,6 They were driven out from among men, They shouted at them as at a thief. They had to live in the clefts of the valleys, In caves of the earth and the rocks. Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually.[1] (Go into a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.) Statements Consistent With Hydrology The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.[3]   Psalm 135:7 He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain; He brings the wind out of His treasuries.   Jeremiah 10:13 When He utters His voice, There is a multitude of waters in the heavens: “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, He brings the wind out of His treasuries.” In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle—the worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.[1] Job 36:27-29 For He draws up drops of water, Which distill as rain from the mist, Which the clouds drop down And pour abundantly on man. Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds, The thunder from His canopy? This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.[1] The Bible describes the recirculation of water.   Ecclesiastes 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea, Yet the sea is not full; To the place from which the rivers come, There they return again.   Isaiah 55:10 For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater, The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.   Job 26:8 He binds up the water in His thick clouds, Yet the clouds are not broken under it.   Job 37:11 Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds; He scatters His bright clouds. Hydrothermal vents[4] are described in two books of the Bible written before 1400BC—more than 3,000 years before their discovery by science.   Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.   Job 38:16 Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths? We discuss the “fountains of the great deep” further in our Creation Versus Evolution page. Statements Consistent With Geology The Bible describes the Earth’s crust (along with a comment on astronomy).   Jeremiah 31:37 Thus says the LORD: “If heaven above can be measured, And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel For all that they have done, says the LORD.” Although some scientists claim that they have now measured the size of the universe, it is interesting to note that every human attempt to drill through the earth’s crust to the plastic mantle beneath has, thus far, ended in failure.[1] The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.   Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. The word translated “circle” here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also translated “circuit,” or “compass” (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square. The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680 BC. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a sphere in this book On the Heavens. This brings up an important historical note related to this topic. Many people are aware of the conflict between Galileo and the Roman Catholic Pope, Paul V. After publishing A Dialogue on the Two Principal Systems of the World, Galileo was summoned to Rome, where he was forced to renounce his findings. (At that time, “theologians” of the Roman Catholic Church maintained that the Earth was the center of the universe, and to assert otherwise was deemed heretical.) We could not find any place in the Bible that claims that the Earth is flat, or that it is the center of the universe. History shows that this conflict, which took place at the time of the Inquisition, was part of a power struggle. As a result, scientific and biblical knowledge became casualties—an effect we still feel to this day. Statements Consistent With Physics The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that could have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter wrote the following verse).   2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. The television is a practical (if not always worthwhile ) device that uses electromagnetic waves (which transmit its video signal). The Bible contains passages that describe something like television—something that allows everyone on earth see a single event. (Note: such passages typically refer to the end of time. It may not be long before all of us learn for sure whether the Bible is true or not.)   Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.   Revelation 11:9-11 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. Things In The Bible That Science Can Not Explain The purpose of this page is not to explain what a great science text the Bible is, but to show that it is consistent with scientific facts. Still, the Bible mentions some things that we can not explain. Yet, if God is really God, He should have the ability to do some things we can not explain. In the last 100 years (and especially in the last ten) scientists discovered many proofs that confirm the Bible’s accuracy. Since these proofs support the accuracy of the text we can understand scientifically, it makes sense to trust the Bible’s text that we can not yet understand. (For example, how many people knew what hydrothermal vents were 30 years ago?) If you would like to see the proof we have for the accuracy of the Bible, click on the link below. How Do You Know The Bible Is True? If you like reading books, a good one that addresses the facts that support Christianity is Know Why You Believe by Paul Little. There is an advantage to a book—it does not change as a page on the Internet can. Plus, a million copies of Paul Little’s book have been printed (about 40 times the number required to be called a “best seller”) which proves it is not an isolated person’s opinion. References [1] The DEFENDER’S Study Bible, Word Publishing, Grand Rapids, Michigan (1995). [2] The Number of Stars [3] The Hydrologic Cycle [4] Submarine Volcanic Ecosystems (An article on hydrothermal vents.) This page does not deal with the beliefs proposed by Mary Baker Eddy or the doctrines of the Christian Science movement she started. You will find information about them on our “What is a Cult?” page.
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[calfoxwc]

[calfoxwc]

20 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

You see nothing fishy at all with your religion telling you to essentially reject knowledge?

you haven't lived life enough to know how to drink coffee. lol

[calfoxwc]

Cysko knows how, he is just hung over and angry

[OldBrownsFan]

32 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

You see nothing fishy at all with your religion telling you to essentially reject knowledge?

What really happened in the garden nobody knows for sure but I found this on the net. One thing I believe though it was in the garden that satan got dominion over the world and he got it through Adam. God had given Adam dominion and Adam turned it over to satan. When satan  tried to tempt Jesus he said he was given dominion over the world and we know God did not give it to him, Adam had to.

What Did The Tree Mean?

Concretely, the tree represented for Adam the choice between submitting to God’s law or pursuing moral autonomy: Fearing the Lord (the beginning of wisdom), or judging for himself what good and evil are. Learning obedience would result in greater wisdom, maturity, and freedom. That is what the serpent tempted Adam and Eve with: “You shall be as gods, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5). That is, you shall judge for yourselves. You will not be in the position of children, having good and evil dictated to you. The serpent tempted Adam and Eve with the prerogatives of autonomous, mature adulthood, before they had learned submission to God—and he tempted them to achieve this by way of disobedience. But it is important to understand that it could have been achieved with obedience as well, without the consequences of sin—and that is the tragedy. Adam and Eve were indeed destined to rule creation. Becoming like gods was not a bad thing or a bad desire. But this was to be achieved in the same way the rule of Jesus was achieved—by submission to God (Philippians 2:8-9).

Note also, “good and evil” here is probably a broader category than just morality. The immediate antecedent is God’s judgment over his creation in Genesis 1: “God saw that it was good.” This is not a question of the moral uprightness of the moon and plants and fishes. It is “good” in the sense of “fitting” or “beautiful.” The tree, as the testing point of Adam’s obedience, would also be the opportunity for him to exercise his judgment with regard to what is proper and fitting. One thing that was very unfitting in Adam’s action was that he allowed himself to be drawn away and made subservient to the serpent, a “beast of the field” (Genesis 3:1), a creature that God had given Adam and Eve a commission to exercise dominion over.

So an immediate effect of Adam and Eve’s sin was that their eyes were opened, and they saw that they were naked. Having acted out of accord with truth, goodness, and beauty by stepping outside of God’s command and seeking autonomy for themselves, all the while submitting to a creature who they should ruler over, they recognized their exposure and vulnerability, and their lack of glory. Clothing in the Bible represents glory, and Adam and Eve realized that in their immaturity they had reached for a godlikeness that they were not ready for, because they had not learned obedience.[2] Adam and Eve were like little kids who want mommy and daddy’s tools and devices, and upon getting them, realize they do not know what to do with them and simply end up hurting themselves.

Paul says, “The heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is owner of everything, but he is under guardians and stewards until the date set by his father” (Galatians 4:1-2). This was Adam and Eve’s position exactly. They were children, in the position of servants, having not yet entered the promised inheritance. They first needed the schoolmaster of the law. Their obedience to God would have issued in greater freedom and greater glory, and being trained in righteousness, righteousness and not sin is what they would have used their freedom to pursue (cf. Galatians 5:13). They would have understood that submission to God’s rule is good and fitting—and thus humbling themselves, they would have been exalted.

Having stepped out and grasped at this glory however, they did achieve a kind of maturity of experience, and so God acknowledges that “the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:22), though it was in a tragic manner. He also clothes them in recognition of this.[3]

Conclusion

God laid a temporary prohibition on his children, who were set to grow into wise, mature, and free adulthood by way of obedience. They were to become like gods, judging between good and evil, and the tree was an opportunity to train them in this. However, the serpent tempted them with seizing this prerogative prematurely, by way of rebellion. Adam and Eve did judge between good and evil, but their act of judgment was flawed and proved fatal.

 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

17 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

Cysko knows how, he is just hung over and angry

I think Cysko has a personality disorder.

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said:

If I have to accept Christianity logically that means I have to accept Islam too. Nah. Hard pass. 

I could point out the difference between the two, but I'll pass. I realize now it would be like talking to a brick wall. Why stop there? We have Hindu, Buddhism, and a few other flavors if you don't care for the first two...  (and I do know a thing or two about Hindu and Buddhism) 

1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:

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It doesn't matter if it's a myth because we're talking about what you believe. What you believe is what it is. And that belief is saying the tree of knowledge is bad. No thanks.

The argument isn't blown up at all. There is a very clear distinction between both. You refuse to see it because at the heart of your belief is the desire to discriminate against another group. The equivalency you're making is another example of that. 

Discrimination hiding behind religion

I can see enough now arguing in this thread that both you and Cysko have the same POV, and that's OK. I'll just point it out to you in a different way that OBF just did. If you reject God\religion- that frees you to set up your own morality code of right\wrong. You can view morality through your very own personal lens. (thanks Bishop B. for jogging my memory) Those religious nuts hate anyone who's different. Sorry to tell you most religious folks don't, there's always a few extremists that give the silent majority a bad rap. 

I was taught to "love the sinner, hate the sin".  Essentially you're saying what some of these folks are doing isn't sinful- because without God, sin doesn't exist. Just governmental authority saying you can't go around shooting people you don't like, and blowing up buildings.  

[The Cysko Kid]

1 hour ago, hoorta said:

I could point out the difference between the two, but I'll pass. I realize now it would be like talking to a brick wall. Why stop there? We have Hindu, Buddhism, and a few other flavors if you don't care for the first two...  (and I do know a thing or two about Hindu and Buddhism) 

I can see enough now arguing in this thread that both you and Cysko have the same POV, and that's OK. I'll just point it out to you in a different way that OBF just did. If you reject God\religion- that frees you to set up your own morality code of right\wrong. You can view morality through your very own personal lens. (thanks Bishop B. for jogging my memory) Those religious nuts hate anyone who's different. Sorry to tell you most religious folks don't, there's always a few extremists that give the silent majority a bad rap. 

I was taught to "love the sinner, hate the sin".  Essentially you're saying what some of these folks are doing isn't sinful- because without God, sin doesn't exist. Just governmental authority saying you can't go around shooting people you don't like, and blowing up buildings.  

You can equate homisexuality to pedophilia to beastiality but the comparison of Christianity and Islam is too much for you to stand for? 

[The Cysko Kid]

1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

I think Cysko has a personality disorder.

Could be. Who knows? People with personality disorders can lead pretty productive lives. Haven't you ever seen American psycho? I'm a gemini. We have inherent personality disorders to begin with. We can flip unpredictability on a dime. Look at trump for instance. 

 

One thing is for certain, when diehard, the resident elder statesmen of browns board trolls tells you to give up because you're getting trolled too hard...it's probably sound advice. 

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, hoorta said:

I could point out the difference between the two, but I'll pass. I realize now it would be like talking to a brick wall. Why stop there? We have Hindu, Buddhism, and a few other flavors if you don't care for the first two...  (and I do know a thing or two about Hindu and Buddhism) 

I can see enough now arguing in this thread that both you and Cysko have the same POV, and that's OK. I'll just point it out to you in a different way that OBF just did. If you reject God\religion- that frees you to set up your own morality code of right\wrong. You can view morality through your very own personal lens. (thanks Bishop B. for jogging my memory) Those religious nuts hate anyone who's different. Sorry to tell you most religious folks don't, there's always a few extremists that give the silent majority a bad rap. 

I was taught to "love the sinner, hate the sin".  Essentially you're saying what some of these folks are doing isn't sinful- because without God, sin doesn't exist. Just governmental authority saying you can't go around shooting people you don't like, and blowing up buildings.  

Or I don't need an old book to tell me right fr wrong. I don't need the rewards/punishment of heaven/hell to keep me from being a bad person.

 

It's not that homosexuality isn't sinful because without God there's no sin.... It just isn't "sinful" inherently. There's nothing wrong with it. 

 

 

 

Regardless, you can believe whatever crazy shit you want. The point is you can't use your crazy shit to legislate how others live their life. You can use your crazy shit as a shield to hide behind after discriminating against others. 

[Westside Steve]

1 hour ago, hoorta said:

I could point out the difference between the two, but I'll pass. I realize now it would be like talking to a brick wall. Why stop there? We have Hindu, Buddhism, and a few other flavors if you don't care for the first two...  (and I do know a thing or two about Hindu and Buddhism) 

I can see enough now arguing in this thread that both you and Cysko have the same POV, and that's OK. I'll just point it out to you in a different way that OBF just did. If you reject God\religion- that frees you to set up your own morality code of right\wrong. You can view morality through your very own personal lens. (thanks Bishop B. for jogging my memory) Those religious nuts hate anyone who's different. Sorry to tell you most religious folks don't, there's always a few extremists that give the silent majority a bad rap. 

I was taught to "love the sinner, hate the sin".  Essentially you're saying what some of these folks are doing isn't sinful- because without God, sin doesn't exist. Just governmental authority saying you can't go around shooting people you don't like, and blowing up buildings.  

And a point that I've made often enough is that if we accept the bitter left view that there actually is no God, no Supreme Being then there must be no ultimate spiritual right and wrong. Right and wrong is now created and handed down by politicians who set those rules for financial gain.

Almost none of those artificial rules have much to do with natural law at best and hypocrisies at worst.

WSS

[tiamat63]

5 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

And a point that I've made often enough is that if we accept the bitter left view that there actually is no God, no Supreme Being then there must be no ultimate spiritual right and wrong. Right and wrong is now created and handed down by politicians who set those rules for financial gain.

Almost none of those artificial rules have much to do with natural law at best and hypocrisies at wor st.

WSS

Oh, that doesn't happen already?  Well fuck me...  I guess I missed that.

2nd bold -  ehhhh....  I hardly doubt that spirituality is required for things like Do not cheat, steal, rape, kill etc etc.  

[DieHardBrownsFan]

 

[Westside Steve]

15 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Oh, that doesn't happen already?  Well fuck me...  I guess I missed that.

 will what you missed is the point. That being that those of you who sneer at heart official rules made up by people you don't like because they espouse a certain religion get on your knees and shutter to the same rules that are made up by politicians. Just saying that you're no better than them, that's all.

2nd bold -  ehhhh....  I hardly doubt that spirituality is required for things like Do not cheat, steal, rape, kill etc etc.  

 Each and every one false rules unrelated to the nature of man. What do you want to pretend it's good or bad whatever.

Quick example it's perfectly okay to kill a viable infant in the last days of his month month for the sake of convenience but it is immoral to make fun of somebody because of his race. So bitches and Negroes should all vote for me.

WSS

 

 

[tiamat63]

11 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

 

I dislike plenty of rules and laws that have little or nothing to do with anyone espousing their religion.    I have a particular disdain for the ones that are, however. 

Right now it's perfectly legal to kill a "viable" infant in the last days of their month...  however mostly only when a danger to the mother.    So I must ask since I've seen this phrase brought up re: the 11 year old rape case.   What has that baby done to deserve death?  It's not like they're intentionally compromising the birthing process or the life of the mother.     So isn't it still murder in this case?   Thus not a moral confliction for some and not others?    Again, perspective is a big one.      I tend to ere on the side of personal choice when it comes to matters regarding consequences that will affect only the singular party or anything/anyone within said party.                 I also think it immoral to make fun of anyone for something over which they have no control of.   I'm confused how you somehow stuck these two together and I feel it's a big reach.  

The nature of man is something you're attempting to define and not doing so well because, in and of itself, is a very broad and nearly undefinable phrase.    

Life decides life on its terms.  I've always believed that.   To the parents who would be faced with a horrific choice of being forced to abort a pregnancy or face death - ranging to those who feel forced to steal simply so they won't starve.   Morality can be and is flexible person to person.         However the best qualities of mankind all seem to have a universe binding generally around the things I've mentioned.       Existence has some severe grey areas at times.    The black and white rigid structure of the some of souls around here that are years seasoned past mine is.... confusing.

 

 

[The Cysko Kid]

40 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

And a point that I've made often enough is that if we accept the bitter left view that there actually is no God, no Supreme Being then there must be no ultimate spiritual right and wrong. Right and wrong is now created and handed down by politicians who set those rules for financial gain.

Almost none of those artificial rules have much to do with natural law at best and hypocrisies at worst.

WSS

Horseshit. It doesn't take god or politicians or anything else to know right from wrong. 

[MLD Woody]

 Damn you just Typical Steve'd all over this thread. You're not only determining what I apparently think, but other posters on this thread as well. Geez

I'll leave you to them

(And I'm sure that statement above will come with some snarky response)

[Clevfan4life]

1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:

And a point that I've made often enough is that if we accept the bitter left view that there actually is no God

 

stop painting tge world as black and white. There are liberal people who beleive in god...there are conservative people who are atheists. The world is weird i get it, take a deep breathe and cslmly work through the mind altering concept i just laid out for u. 

[Gorka]

32 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

stop painting tge world as black and white. There are liberal people who beleive in god...there are conservative people who are atheists. The world is weird i get it, take a deep breathe and cslmly work through the mind altering concept i just laid out for u. 

But Steve said the "left", not liberals.  There is a stark difference... and sadly liberalism is being consumed by leftists.

"As a Liberal, a Jew, and an American, I far more fear the left than the right" - Alan Dershowitz.

So should you.

This video will enlighten you. I have to admit it did me.

 

[Clevfan4life]

so basically its the same nuance between conservative people and right wing nut jobs that want to outlaw essentislly every personsl choice  a human can mske that doesnt conform to biblical teachings? 

the left leaning people here hsve established for some time now we're not flaming left wing fgts thatvwant to outlaw even flint lock firearms. This is not a new concept. But what people like u dont understand is that even far left/right people arent wrong on absolutely everything. Trump isnt wrong on everything and neither is AOC. How they go about fixing the things they accurately acknowledged as problems....thats another matter.

[MLD Woody]

24 minutes ago, Gorka said:

But Steve said the "left", not liberals.  There is a stark difference... and sadly liberalism is being consumed by leftists.

"As a Liberal, a Jew, and an American, I far more fear the left than the right" - Alan Dershowitz.

So should you.

This video will enlighten you. I have to admit it did me.

 

 

Ha, a Prager U video.... Classic

 

15 seconds in "The left has appropriated the term liberal"

Uhhh... Cal calls anyone on here that lightly disagrees with him a liberal. Multiple posters day libtard, liberal, etc and say left wing right after. Whatever nuance you're trying to point out I'm not sure you can blame the left for it as well...