hoorta Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: McDaniels is what Haslam has wanted for a long time. The dismissal of Dorsey was a large red flag for us and a roadblock for him. McD is a control freak. So this won't end well... LOL, and Belichick isn't? Josh has had 10 years to learn from the master. That said, I'm well aware that in general the Bill coaching tree has produced rotten fruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, hoorta said: LOL, and Belichick isn't? Josh has had 10 years to learn from the master. That said, I'm well aware that in general the Bill coaching tree has produced rotten fruit. BB is as detail oriented as you'll ever find. But there is a difference with how he has a vision for his team vs being an ego-centric, micromanaging, overbearing douche bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Why hurry now? I don't think we lost "our guy" to anybody else and we are the last job out there. Seems like taking our time would be prudent. Finish the opening round... hold a couple callback interviews... deliberate... hire... move on to the GM role. Agree....in fact, I don't think we lost any of several people who could be "our guy": Not McD, Stefanski, Bienemy, Saleh. Rhule nor the Judge were even on the Browns radar, I do not believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 39 minutes ago, hoorta said: Except getting quality coordinators and assistants. The other guys will waste no time rounding out their staffs. We still have Wilks and Monken in the building, but will the new HC want to keep them? Why on Earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said: Agree, Josh is another one of those coaches that think he's a GM too. Well....he has worked with BB all this time....and I suspect that he saw how that worked. BB being the boss. If Josh is chosen, he may be able to select his GM/DPP......Caserio. It can and has worked....going back even a generation along the coaching tree to Parcells. You know, the whole "buying some of the groceries" thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, hoorta said: LOL, and Belichick isn't? Josh has had 10 years to learn from the master. That said, I'm well aware that in general the Bill coaching tree has produced rotten fruit. Vrabel and O'Brien still in the playoffs......those pieces of fruit seem pretty ripe to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Which would still be an improvement. We had way too many key plays where we have all these horses and we are targeting Harris or Hilliard. That would be on Kitchens relying on “plays, not players” and we had 4 capable skill players. Landry, OBJ, Hunt, Chubb. You’re bringing up a different issue. I personally can’t stand any type of offensive trick play that has the potential to derail a drive and force a punt. Hue/Haley ran those plays, and so did Kitchens(ex. Kareem Hunt HB toss pass on 3rd and short) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week. In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good." Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week. In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good." Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room. I'm not on board with a McDaniels hire, he just ain't our guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 47 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week. In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good." Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room. You mean the clip where they're studying Ed Reed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: The thing my mind keeps going back to is the footage of Bill and Tom sitting in Bill's office going over game film of their upcoming opponents Defense. I must have seen it at least three times last week. In it Tom was pointing out... "if that CB does that, then we can..." Bill asking, "Do you mean...?" Tom: "Yes." Bill: "Oh... I see... that's good." Apparently this was a weekly ritual lasting an hour or so... and McDaniels was nowhere in the room. There was also a clip in 'Tom vs Time' where Tom was watching film at home and he would call McDaniels, watch a certain play together, comment on it and adapt it for their offense if they didn't have it or check some possible imorovements... I wouldn’t say McDaniels was left behind on film analysis, offense playbook and gameplan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, stillmotion said: I'm not on board with a McDaniels hire, he just ain't our guy. Or....he may just be our guy. All speculation has him as the frontrunner, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Nero said: I wouldn’t say McDaniels was left behind on film analysis, offense playbook and gameplan. Not what I was intending to intimate. Just saying that there was a Belichick-Brady bond/rapport that cut across reporting relationships. In a way I can even admire McD's acceptance of such an interaction that likely preceded his OC days with the Pats. It'd take a self-secure individual to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Kind of an odd day today. All of a sudden all of the coaching vacancies are full and the path is cleared for the Browns two top choices. The Panthers & Giants BOTH left McDaniels standing at the altar. (thinking he would be interviewing with them). Only fitting I suppose. So, who's gonna get their guy? DePodesta or Jimmuh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: Agree....in fact, I don't think we lost any of several people who could be "our guy": Not McD, Stefanski, Bienemy, Saleh. Rhule nor the Judge were even on the Browns radar, I do not believe. I would not have liked Rhule, not really that impressed honestly. But he WAS on the radar of Cleveland until he turned them down to interview. I give him a few years and he is gone in Carolina. And they really shelled out for him as well. Reported 7/60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Canton Dawg said: If he's smart...he'll send them packing. Just don't bring back Ray Horton. Third times a charm? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Third times a charm? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Gunz41 said: I would not have liked Rhule, not really that impressed honestly. But he WAS on the radar of Cleveland until he turned them down to interview. I give him a few years and he is gone in Carolina. And they really shelled out for him as well. Reported 7/60 Didn’t hear that he denied the interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Didn’t hear that he denied the interview Just what I read sometime around their Bowl game. Pretty sure it was before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Didn’t hear that he denied the interview https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/baylor-head-coach-matt-rhule-declines-interview-with-browns-for-vacant-hc-position-per-report/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Orion said: Kind of an odd day today. All of a sudden all of the coaching vacancies are full and the path is cleared for the Browns two top choices. The Panthers & Giants BOTH left McDaniels standing at the altar. (thinking he would be interviewing with them). Only fitting I suppose. So, who's gonna get their guy? DePodesta or Jimmuh? The way I understand it is DePodesta will make his recommendation- but the final call is up to Jimmuh to sign off on it. You had better be right Paul. And please don't talk to the Homeless Guy before you make the call Haslam. 3 hours ago, Gunz41 said: I would not have liked Rhule, not really that impressed honestly. But he WAS on the radar of Cleveland until he turned them down to interview. I give him a few years and he is gone in Carolina. And they really shelled out for him as well. Reported 7/60 Yup, heard it on Sports Center. Carolina was slobbering all over Rhule for their new coach. New owner was willing to back up the Brinks truck to land him. Not letting him leave until he said OK. Hope their owner (Tepper) has the same slow learning curve as Haslam. BTW, the purchase price of an NFL franchise has now escalated to $2.3 billion. Other owners may be POed he blew up the salary scale for new head coaches. Rhule is #6 on the list before he ever coaches a regular season game. If your curious- and to no one's surprise- Bill B. tops the list at $12 million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 4:34 PM, gumby73 said: Next: I will keep a updated list of Browns interviewees in order of interviewed #1.Mike McCarthy (open) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-mike-mccarthy *DALLAS #2.Greg Roman (Ravens OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-greg-roman #3.Eric Bieniemy (KC OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-eric-bieniemy #4.Robert Saleh (49'ers DC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-robert-saleh #5. Ryan Daboll (Bills OC) https://clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-ryan-daboll McCarthy hired in Dallas same day interviewed Daboll (1-6-20) Stefanski later in week, won wildcard game, on to 9'ers Saturday..day pending ..Josh McDaniel's. loss to Titans Sunday. confirmed for this Friday(as of 1-6-20) Not much to add here fellows... Seems more like weeks since the walls fell in around John Dorsey, but it's only been 8 days... So this maybe the Final HC'ing interview Candidate list.. Jim Schwartz (DC Philly)- Wednesday Kevin Stefanski (Vikings OC)- Thursday (cannot be hired till Vikes Out) Josh McDaniels (Patriots OC)- Friday Jimmy's 5th coaching change 🤷♂️ .... FANS:: Only 32 get in "Get it F*king Right!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, hoorta said: The way I understand it is DePodesta will make his recommendation- but the final call is up to Jimmuh to sign off on it. You had better be right Paul. And please don't talk to the Homeless Guy before you make the call Haslam. Yup, heard it on Sports Center. Carolina was slobbering all over Rhule for their new coach. New owner was willing to back up the Brinks truck to land him. Not letting him leave until he said OK. Hope their owner (Tepper) has the same slow learning curve as Haslam. BTW, the purchase price of an NFL franchise has now escalated to $2.3 billion. Other owners may be POed he blew up the salary scale for new head coaches. Rhule is #6 on the list before he ever coaches a regular season game. If your curious- and to no one's surprise- Bill B. tops the list at $12 million a year. Sweet 8lb, 6oz baby Jesus... if Rhule got 7yrs/$60mill what would Urban Meyer get? Lincoln Riley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Sweet 8lb, 6oz baby Jesus... if Rhule got 7yrs/$60mill what would Urban Meyer get? Lincoln Riley? LOL, a Jon Gruden 10 years $100 million? Silly for unproven talent, for sure..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Schwartz ftw!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Another Saleh article... this one highlights a connection with Gary Kubiak. So those thinking of Kubiak for OC might have hope in this quarter as well... https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/01/07/cleveland-browns-robert-saleh-head-coach/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, hoorta said: BTW, the purchase price of an NFL franchise has now escalated to $2.3 billion. Other owners may be POed he blew up the salary scale for new head coaches. Rhule is #6 on the list before he ever coaches a regular season game. If your curious- and to no one's surprise- Bill B. tops the list at $12 million a year. Damn... and just as I was getting close to affording a team... And if Ruhle is #6, then nothing as blown up. First time means nothing... the guy was in demand. What did Gruden get? 10 years at $10mm per year? Now that's blowing up the HC salary structure. It makes Bill look cheap by comparison since he wears the GM hat as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Here's the list of Coaches hired in Order 1) Ron Rivera- Redskins.. Browns never interviewed. And was hired in DC the Day after John Dorsey was released of his duties.. 2) Mike McCarthy- Dallas..Browns did interview 1st on List.. Browns were in process of Daboll interview,when McCarty hired in Dallas..Dallas 1st interview, Marvin Lewis..Next day, McCarthy wakes up at Jerry's house coaching the Dallas Cowboys.. 3) Matt Rhule- Panthers.. Took all of 2 days, since Haslam's hiring staff was put in place.. Called to Interview M.Rhule..Matt Rhule, DeClined to interview with Browns.. 3) Joe Judge- Giants.. ST coach at Patriots..Shocked to everyone known to football..Baylor/Temple coach Matt Rhule was the suppose'it Giant's target. Rhule called Giants to match Panthers deal, Giants refused to match (click) Here's a List of Coaches *That still could be Hired* Jason Garrett Marvin Lewis Kris Richard Don Martindale Wade Phillips Lincoln Riley (maybe) Urban Meyer (maybe) Do they fit? ////Who did i forget?////// Anybody else in the whole wide World 🌎 including College football you'd like to included to the Interview list? Speak _UP in the next 48 hours, and not* when were 0-3.... 8 remaining Playoff teams coaches could be added as well (example--Titans-Deen Pees?).. LSU or Clemson? Look under your Rocks & Who else Ya Got!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Another Saleh article... this one highlights a connection with Gary Kubiak. So those thinking of Kubiak for OC might have hope in this quarter as well... https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/01/07/cleveland-browns-robert-saleh-head-coach/ How is his health? That is why he retired as Broncos HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, gumby73 said: Here's the list of Coaches hired in Order 1) Ron Rivera- Redskins.. Browns never interviewed. And was hired in DC the Day after John Dorsey was released of his duties.. 2) Mike McCarthy- Dallas..Browns did interview 1st on List.. Browns were in process of Daboll interview,when McCarty hired in Dallas..Dallas 1st interview, Marvin Lewis..Next day, McCarthy wakes up at Jerry's house coaching the Dallas Cowboys.. 3) Matt Rhule- Panthers.. Took all of 2 days, since Haslam's hiring staff was put in place.. Called to Interview M.Rhule..Matt Rhule, DeClined to interview with Browns.. 3) Joe Judge- Giants.. ST coach at Patriots..Shocked to everyone known to football..Baylor/Temple coach Matt Rhule was the suppose'it Giant's target. Rhule called Giants to match Panthers deal, Giants refused to match (click) Here's a List of Coaches *That still could be Hired* Jason Garrett Marvin Lewis Kris Richard Don Martindale Wade Phillips Lincoln Riley (maybe) Urban Meyer (maybe) Do they fit? ////Who did i forget?////// Anybody else in the whole wide World 🌎 including College football you'd like to included to the Interview list? Speak _UP in the next 48 hours, and not* when were 0-3.... 8 remaining Playoff teams coaches could be added as well (example--Titans-Deen Pees?).. LSU or Clemson? Look under your Rocks & Who else Ya Got!! Who did you miss? Everyone that has been under consideration: McDaniels, Saleh, Stefanski, Daboll, Bienemy, Schwartz, Roman....and maybe more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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