hoorta Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 14 hours ago, BernieSuperbowl said: F - it was the worst performance I've seen by a winning QB that I remember in recent memory (not just the Browns but any team). Boo hoo, the operative word is we WON. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 8:04 PM, hoorta said: Yeah- Baker did sort of mention about popping something back in place. Nephew dislocated his shoulder and said getting it back in place hurt like hell. Usually that's a ER visit with some painkillers. I hope it's not something like a torn rotator cuff. Got mine dislocated a few times, and even had surgery. It never hurt getting it back in place, simply because as the first doctor told me "YOU are the one that will put it in place, if you relax all your muscles, I will just move it a bit and it will find its position." The thing with shoulders is that they are awful if they get injured. The body compensates and then your "good shoulder" hurts too. The back muscles connect both of them so I would understand it throwing your mechanics off. Maybe simply Baker needs to put "a lot" into the ball to keep the same passing range he usually has, as he relies in his upper body (his footwork needing some improvement is no news), and at some point he simply is doing something a tad different. Learning to work around some pain and hurt parts must be very challenging if you are a NFL QB where the windows are further and smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 2:04 PM, hoorta said: Yeah- Baker did sort of mention about popping something back in place. Nephew dislocated his shoulder and said getting it back in place hurt like hell. Usually that's a ER visit with some painkillers. I hope it's not something like a torn rotator cuff. I fell on my elbow some years back - dislocated my shoulder but it popped right back in. I walked into the house, and my Wife came running from another room knowing something was really wrong- because I was too quiet. lol I simply slipped on some mud at night walking back to the house, and could barely lift my arm. Had an MRI and one of my rotator cuffs was completely popped apart. Hopefully it's just a sprain, but that has to hurt like hell in a game. BTW, Baker said in the press conference - He takes a lot of pride in his accuracy - and he doesn't know what the hell that was" (referring to his dismal outing vs the vikings). He also mentioned about wanting to get the ball out faster - I think he rushed several throws. That can be fixed. If Hubbard has to play at LT in place of Wills, I wonder if that changes the playcalling and Baker's confidence in not getting his left shoulder banged up and making him leave the game. The knashing of teeth about Baker etc is just ridiculous. He has led the NFL in at least 4 categories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 11:39 PM, BernieSuperbowl said: F - it was the worst performance I've seen The cure for your chronic despair Is nothing exotic or rare. A lead lobotomy Simply ought to be The relevant standard of care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALCON7 Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Last 2 drives sucked! Stefanski calls were shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 There is no way that a torn labrum in his non-thrrowng shoulder is not impacting his throws, I partially tore my left anterior labrum golfing and tried in vain to let it heal. A year later it would still kill me everytime i tried to reach be behind my bqck. Something which I leaned I did more than I thought I would, e.g., drying off after a shower. It got to where I dreaded any backward/ yorso-rotational reach with my left arm due to anticipation of the pain. I guarantee you that this anticipation has crept into BM's mind. While the non-throwing arm is not powering the ball,it is rotating out of itns way. And then there are the hits.... Corteson can buy a hour or so of relief. But the cartilage will not heal on its own. It is only going to worse, be more painful and potentially more difficult to repair(?) My Ortho was able to scope my repair so my recovery time was about 6 weeks. Had he had to open my shoulder up for the repair the time jumped to 6 months. To me it's a no-braainer... shut BM one now and set the Docs to work. Maybe we get him back for a deep playoff run, but we will for sure get him back for an offseason workout to feed our 5th-year option decision. There will be some good, young QBs in the 2022 Draft, if we need to tab one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Tour2ma said: There is no way that a torn labrum in his non-thrrowng shoulder is not impacting his throws, I partially tore my left anterior labrum golfing and tried in vain to let it heal. A year later it would still kill me everytime i tried to reach be behind my bqck. Something which I leaned I did more than I thought I would, e.g., drying off after a shower. It got to where I dreaded any backward/ yorso-rotational reach with my left arm due to anticipation of the pain. I guarantee you that this anticipation has crept into BM's mind. While the non-throwing arm is not powering the ball,it is rotating out of itns way. And then there are the hits.... Corteson can buy a hour or so of relief. But the cartilage will not heal on its own. It is only going to worse, be more painful and potentially more difficult to repair(?) My Ortho was able to scope my repair so my recovery time was about 6 weeks. Had he had to open my shoulder up for the repair the time jumped to 6 months. To me it's a no-braainer... shut BM one now and set the Docs to work. Maybe we get him back for a deep playoff run, but we will for sure get him back for an offseason workout to feed our 5th-year option decision. There will be some good, young QBs in the 2022 Draft, if we need to tab one. Interesting thought, but I think it's hard to make that move when the defense has so many injuries you won't be able to rely on them solely to win the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 9 hours ago, Tour2ma said: There is no way that a torn labrum in his non-thrrowng shoulder is not impacting his throws, I partially tore my left anterior labrum golfing and tried in vain to let it heal. A year later it would still kill me everytime i tried to reach be behind my bqck. Something which I leaned I did more than I thought I would, e.g., drying off after a shower. It got to where I dreaded any backward/ yorso-rotational reach with my left arm due to anticipation of the pain. I guarantee you that this anticipation has crept into BM's mind. While the non-throwing arm is not powering the ball,it is rotating out of itns way. And then there are the hits.... Corteson can buy a hour or so of relief. But the cartilage will not heal on its own. It is only going to worse, be more painful and potentially more difficult to repair(?) My Ortho was able to scope my repair so my recovery time was about 6 weeks. Had he had to open my shoulder up for the repair the time jumped to 6 months. To me it's a no-braainer... shut BM one now and set the Docs to work. Maybe we get him back for a deep playoff run, but we will for sure get him back for an offseason workout to feed our 5th-year option decision. There will be some good, young QBs in the 2022 Draft, if we need to tab one. Injury decisions or not, we need to draft a good young QB. New England had Brady but drafted a few. One, it never hurts to have a solid prospect on the shelf. Secondly, it gives you a nice prospect to trade when the time is right. We don't really draft for need as a primary draft focus, so sooner or later a QB is going to be sitting there in round 2-3-4 where it makes sense to draft the kid. Heck, maybe round 1 if it is the right player, but I do agree that is probably a stretch. Need does play some role in your draft investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 Mrs. Baker Mayfield dropped this gem on the Twitters Monday afternoon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 45 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Mrs. Baker Mayfield dropped this gem on the Twitters Monday afternoon... Baker had a fine game against the Chargers. Odell dropping a pass in his chest on 4th down, a blown coverage for a TD can't happen against a good team like the Chargers. That was a tough one to swallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Neo said: Baker had a fine game against the Chargers. Odell dropping a pass in his chest on 4th down, a blown coverage for a TD can't happen against a good team like the Chargers. That was a tough one to swallow. Baker definitely played well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 16 hours ago, Nero said: Interesting thought, but I think it's hard to make that move when the defense has so many injuries you won't be able to rely on them solely to win the game. Still a lot to like abut BM, but ya gottta know if he can be repaired before you commit to him. If the rest of the team cannot carry us to his potential return,and I agree that it is unlikely they then that's on them, But it is far more important in my mind to attempt the repair and know the result of that effort. Than a dim SB hope this year when even a perfectly healthy BM nets us maybe a 6th seed on the AFC side of the bracket. We can hang with the best, but "hanging with" ain't beating.... and if you cannot commit to BM, then the search is on again starting in 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: Baker definitely played well. more the reason, Mrs. Baker needs to shut down her social media for 17 weeks... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDDawg Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 6:52 PM, Neo said: Baker had a fine game against the Chargers. Odell dropping a pass in his chest on 4th down, a blown coverage for a TD can't happen against a good team like the Chargers. That was a tough one to swallow. Baker played well but the elite QB on that field was Herbert. In the final drive Baker missed an open OBJ but went for a contested throw to Higgins. After the Defensive players were dropping like flies we needed elite play from Baker but didn’t get it. That may be due to injury but is it what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 hours ago, MDDawg said: Baker played well but the elite QB on that field was Herbert. In the final drive Baker missed an open OBJ but went for a contested throw to Higgins. After the Defensive players were dropping like flies we needed elite play from Baker but didn’t get it. That may be due to injury but is it what it is. Then why did Baker complete 71.8 % of his passes and Herbert completed only 60.4 % of his passes? It's a team game. And the Browns have injuries to their offensive line? ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 7:10 PM, Dutch Oven said: Baker definitely played well. he usually plays well but he is not an elite qb....he's had numerous chances dating back to the divisional playoff game against the chiefs to make a statement and still has not.....maybe it changes....odell will be gone at the trading deadline by the way....hope he goes to the packers...don't want to see brady win another ring....the pack getting odell will put them in pretty damn good position....odell i think is still a top 5 reciever...just not with the browns...don't know what the issue or issues are but it ain't gonna work here with him....its quite obvious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 This thread should be retitled "Why Cleveland Can't Have Nice Things". I hoped and prayed for a Baker Mayfield for 20 years, and now that we have one people are shitting on him after a 300 yard, no turnover, 42 point game because he's not "elite" enough for them. Zombo 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 This thread does read like some sort of talk therapy with a 25-year-old.. "My parents never had a 300-yard pass game with no INT's so if it happens now, that can't be REAL! And I have FEELINGS about it! And somehow OBJ is responsible I just know it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 18 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Then why did Baker complete 71.8 % of his passes and Herbert completed only 60.4 % of his passes? It's a team game. And the Browns have injuries to their offensive line? ??? Offensive structure is something many people fail to take into account. Offensive structure also involves passing volume. There are good reasons I've mentioned this sort of thing many times before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Offensive structure is something many people fail to take into account. Offensive structure also involves passing volume. There are good reasons I've mentioned this sort of thing many times before. I think it's fair to say Baker throws high percentage passes like flare outs..And medium rage (safe passes) Dump offs.. that sort of thing.. That can skew the numbers a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 16, 2021 Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 23 hours ago, nickers said: I think it's fair to say Baker throws high percentage passes like flare outs..And medium rage (safe passes) Dump offs.. that sort of thing.. That can skew the numbers a bit... The higher percentage throws are a part of that. The balanced attack is the bigger piece, the running game opening up passing lanes is a QB's best friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 16, 2021 Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 51 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: The higher percentage throws are a part of that. The balanced attack is the bigger piece, the running game opening up passing lanes is a QB's best friend. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieSuperbowl Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 I give him a D- today. Held onto the ball too long, 3 turnovers, 5 sacks. Has a bad left shoulder - scrambles to get 1 or two yards instead of throwing the ball away and loses a fumble and dislocates his left shoulder again. He's not a top 15 QB, he's just not. We're not going anywhere with Baker. I admire his toughness, but he's a low IQ quarterback who has benefited from having two top 10 RB's. No excuses anymore for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns50 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Agreed, we aint going anywhere with baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Agree , Baker has the toughness, he’s just not a true franchise QB . Joe Woods isn’t a good DC either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Said when he was drafted, hoped for the best but felt Baker wasn’t it. Flashes of good play but too inconsistent. Not the #1 pick in the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 He had a 102.4 rating today, with one arm, his two starting tackles out, his best wr out, and his best running back out. And we've given up 84 points in 2 weeks. So, maybe take a different angle on this. Z 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieSuperbowl Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Zombo said: He had a 102.4 rating today, with one arm, his two starting tackles out, his best wr out, and his best running back out. And we've given up 84 points in 2 weeks. So, maybe take a different angle on this. Z Nope. It's football. There will always be injuries. Every year, every team. The defense won't always play like a top 10 defense. He turned the ball over 3 times, held onto the ball way too long like he's done all his career, and continues to make rookie mistakes. My angle is Baker is not the answer, believe whatever you want. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 Well Kevvy gets a big FAT F from me... Worst gameplan I ever saw on both sides of the ball.. Despite the loss... It was great to meet Hoorta after the game!... 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, BernieSuperbowl said: Nope. It's football. There will always be injuries. Every year, every team. The defense won't always play like a top 10 defense. He turned the ball over 3 times, held onto the ball way too long like he's done all his career, and continues to make rookie mistakes. My angle is Baker is not the answer, believe whatever you want. Yes, there will always be injuries, but when your two starting tackles are out, well that's an anomaly. Last season, the Browns offense pretty much was injury free except for OBJ, & Mayfield was fantastic. There's no way I'd let Baker go if I was Andrew Berry. He, Jarvis, & Myles are 3 players who dragged the Browns out of the doldrums. I have no idea what the price tag will be on Baker. My guess is another hungry QB team would throw money at him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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