Ghoolie Always Ghoolie Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 14 hours ago, ballpeen said: The thought of blitzing is great, but the reality is i would prefer if we could just rush Garrett and get to the QB and drop 10 in to coverage. We could play man and zone at the same time. The point is if you can provide solid pressure with a fewer number, the better off you are. It wouldn't bother me if we never blitzed. This was the Butch Davis philosophy,.and for a very.short time, maybe 4 weeks, the Brownsnhad the most formidable 4 man pass rush in the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Orion said: Basic logic. (I use your line now and then, Blitzing is like running 1 or 2 of our guys off the field) But that was back when we had absolutely no pass rush. At least now we have Myles. I am impressed you remember. At that time, it was probably more because when we blitzed, it seemed like our guys stumbled in to each other, more or less blocking each other. Kind of like the old 3 Stooges gag where they all tried to walk through the door at the same time. It was like the DT and 2 backers all attacked the same gap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 6:03 PM, Dutch Oven said: The Jets asked to talk to Bill Callahan about possibly taking their vacant OC job, but the Browns extended BC's contract, so he'll be here for years to come. Has anyone heard locally or any leaked years/$$ of Bill Callahan's extended contract? Great News! and Why are NFL coaching contracts still not public to only it's Owners? found these of interest? Callahan’s son, Brian, is the offensive coordinator with the Bengals and interviewed with the Colts on Friday for their head coaching job. Aug 30, 2017 — College Coaches' contracts are just a records request. College sports at public colleges are subject to standard public records laws. Generally, coach bonuses and incentives will be based on either a predetermined amount of money or a percentage of the NFL coach's base salary. Can find Stef is at 3.5M or 4M next season.. Jan 9, 2020 — There is no salary cap for NFL coaches, either, so owners that are significantly underpaying have every incentive to keep that information private. Fabulous ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, gumby73 said: Has anyone heard locally or any leaked years/$$ of Bill Callahan's extended contract? and Why are NFL coaching contracts still not public to only it's Owners? found these of interest? Aug 30, 2017 — College Coaches' contracts are just a records request. College sports at public colleges are subject to standard public records laws. Generally, coach bonuses and incentives will be based on either a predetermined amount of money or a percentage of the NFL coach's base salary. Can find Stef is at 3.5M or 4M next season.. Jan 9, 2020 — There is no salary cap for NFL coaches, either, so owners that are significantly underpaying have every incentive to keep that information private. Fabulous ! Interesting Gumbs. It's also kind of interesting that the last 2 Defensive Coordinators for Michigan (Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter) were on John Harbaugh's NFL staff before they went to Michigan. After Mike McDonald helped John's brother Jim finally beat Ohio State - John Harbaugh rehired and promoted him to DC for the Ravens in 2022. In the process, former Ratbird Def Back Coach in 2020 Jesse Minter was hired as Defensive Coordinator by Jim Harbaugh in 2022. Also, former Ratbird QB Coach in 2019-2020 (Matt Weiss) was hired as QB Coach for Michigan in 2021; before he received an additional title of Assistant OC along w/being the QB Coach in 2022. Is that how this is supposed to work? That seems like 1 Hell of a Recruiting Tool up North. Maybe even just coincidentally, Baltimore drafted the injured OLB David Ojabo from Michigan in the 2nd round (45th overall) in 2022 (knowing he wouldn't play much, if at all, in 2022). In 2021 they drafted Michigan FB/TE Ben Mason in round 5. You don't say... 😉 This is like modern day Tom Osborne stuff when his roided up team was all over campus getting in trouble; while NCAA Five-O only had eyes for Barry Switzer. See what happens when you shake all the right hands and kiss all the right babies? Edited January 22, 2023 by Flugel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Flugel said: See what happens when you shake all the right hands and kiss all the right babies? As long as someone doesn't kiss all the right hands and shake all the right babies.... 😉 This might be the offseason where we dive into the OLine conversation regarding the upcoming Draft. Anyone optimistic about the tackles going forward? Conklin is perpetually banged up, Wills seems stuck on "mediocre". At guard, Joel Bitonio is still playing at a high level, but as we all know, Father Time is undefeated. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: As long as someone doesn't kiss all the right hands and shake all the right babies.... 😉 This might be the offseason where we dive into the OLine conversation regarding the upcoming Draft. Anyone optimistic about the tackles going forward? Conklin is perpetually banged up, Wills seems stuck on "mediocre". At guard, Joel Bitonio is still playing at a high level, but as we all know, Father Time is undefeated. Yes, it is somewhere just behind DT, LB and maybe right on par with Safety (perhaps when Johnson is cut). I don’t have the PFF scores or analytics but I thought Hudson played better this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 hours ago, ballpeen said: I am impressed you remember. I've started taking Lion's Mane. What I saw was guys being absorbed into the LOS, never to emerge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Flugel said: former Ratbird QB Coach in 2019-2020 (Matt Weiss) was ... Just fired from Michigan for charges that 99% of the time are child porn. Sure, it might not end up being that, 1% chance does happen, but vast majority of the time, that's what the Asserted Vague Phrasing [Computer Access Crimes] stated as his firing reason means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: ... Just fired from Michigan for charges that 99% of the time are child porn. Sure, it might not end up being that, 1% chance does happen, but vast majority of the time, that's what the Asserted Vague Phrasing [Computer Access Crimes] stated as his firing reason means. Yeah, I saw that. The bigger message I was trying to bring to the discussion was the Harbaugh brothers using the same coaches. In 1 case, Mike McDonald was hired to be Michigan's DC only to return to Baltimore as the DC the next year or so. In the process, another Ratbird Defensive Coach (Jesse Minter DB Coach) was hired to be Jim Harbaugh's new DC. That seems like quite a recruiting tool that other programs don't have. The defensive side of the ball is where Michigan recently separated itself from Ohio State and the rest of the pack IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 See, this is the shit I'm talking about. This article is absolutely trash. The fact people speed read through shit, through some nonsense together (half of it they didn't even put together themselves) then send it out onto the internet just fucking bothers me. There's no real analysis here, no reviews of previous personnel deployments, no real substance of any kind. If somebody got paid from ad revenue, then holy shit am I in the wrong business. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/2/27/23616027/defensive-tackles-in-the-jim-schwartz-system?fbclid=IwAR1FtB2T34utTJxY3ANjNX4QAMMOOvs8hvXj2hgmMTnzI14UmkG0Bd1GiSg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 In fairness, most of these people are under some sort of deadline, which precludes any real investigative reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 hours ago, ballpeen said: In fairness, most of these people are under some sort of deadline, which precludes any real investigative reporting. You're right, and I do get that. The first problem, for me at least, is you put out something that is so incomplete and vague, it might as well be almost nothing. The second problem, is there are fans who are going to absolutely eat this up (even though there isn't much to chew) for some odd reason. People just seem to love short and sweet, lack any attention span, regardless if the information is poor or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 hours ago, tiamat63 said: You're right, and I do get that. The first problem, for me at least, is you put out something that is so incomplete and vague, it might as well be almost nothing. The second problem, is there are fans who are going to absolutely eat this up (even though there isn't much to chew) for some odd reason. People just seem to love short and sweet, lack any attention span, regardless if the information is poor or not. I don't disagree. They don't have the time and in many cases the space. And as you alluded to, most people don't want, or have the attention span to actually read an in depth article. Many people today grew up on text messages, tweets, and news stations that don't really report news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 4, 2023 Report Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) On 2/28/2023 at 6:27 PM, tiamat63 said: See, this is the shit I'm talking about. This article is absolutely trash. The fact people speed read through shit, through some nonsense together (half of it they didn't even put together themselves) then send it out onto the internet just fucking bothers me. There's no real analysis here, no reviews of previous personnel deployments, no real substance of any kind. If somebody got paid from ad revenue, then holy shit am I in the wrong business. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/2/27/23616027/defensive-tackles-in-the-jim-schwartz-system?fbclid=IwAR1FtB2T34utTJxY3ANjNX4QAMMOOvs8hvXj2hgmMTnzI14UmkG0Bd1GiSg I'll start with the good. Looks like the author put some time into the article. EDIT: He also showed us a small group of IDL prospects that the Browns could possibly choose from for each of our draft picks in every round. Now the bad. The things he focused on were heights and weights of former players for Schwartz as opposed to what each guy brought to Schwartz' D as well as why/how long they were successful in it. Why would they have been players he liked to join his system? Were they 1 gap or 2 gap or all situation players? Do they play with good pad height? Do they play football with their eyes? Might be the least thing talked about with DTs; but vision leads to knowing when/how to get their hand up in the air at the right time to bat down a pass - or disengage the blocker when spotting a ballcarrier coming in your gap. Also, can you tackle someone you can't see? How many times have we seen 1st contact on ballcarriers at the point of attack ending up as missed tackles/big gains for the opponents? Does he move? Does he win? What's been the prospect's previous experience? How does that experience project in Schwartz' Defense? Schwartz beginning his career with BB was great because of Bill's extensive experience that exposed himself to coaching with different fronts, different schemes, etc. When Bill was in NE, a heavy volume of injuries to the DL caused him to change the front. That's why Bill drafted a guy like Richard Seymour who could win matchups inside just as easily as he won them outside or provide excellence with 1 gap or 2 or with setting up an x-stunt blitz for one of the backers. He didn't draft the height and weight first hoping for everything else. He drafted a unique power and explosion from a wirey framed guy that FILM showed the right personnel evaluator he could be an excellent fit for IDL or anything from a 5 technique on out. Again, the guy that wanted him was previously forced to change fronts; so he added this football player projecting many strengths (who is now in the NFL HOF). When we're looking at prospects, the heights and weights/book covers don't give us the story about the guys. I want the stories of why they're intriguing for a defensive line that got bullied most of the 2022 season. What do they offer specifically that can change this? No more putting the blind folds on from our FO or we're FUBAR. It's that simple. They better have their research and film ready for Schwartz like Bill Belichick used to demand/still does from his FO. No more excuses... Edited March 5, 2023 by Flugel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 5, 2023 Report Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 8:28 AM, Flugel said: I'll start with the good. Looks like the author put some time into the article. EDIT: He also showed us a small group of IDL prospects that the Browns could possibly choose from for each of our draft picks in every round. Copy and pasting a top 10 takes all of 30 seconds my guy. On 3/4/2023 at 8:28 AM, Flugel said: Now the bad. I didn't even make it that far. Well, I skimmed it like a work email after I saw his cited work was basically a questionnaire of a random fan. But the worst red flag was that the author arrived at the conclusion Tommy Togiai would best be served by getting in the weight room and being "stronger". *blink* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 5, 2023 Report Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, tiamat63 said: Copy and pasting a top 10 takes all of 30 seconds my guy. I didn't even make it that far. Well, I skimmed it like a work email after I saw his cited work was basically a questionnaire of a random fan. But the worst red flag was that the author arrived at the conclusion Tommy Togiai would best be served by getting in the weight room and being "stronger". *blink* 😆 Let's just say I wanted to be nice before I wasn't nice. The sad thing is I didn't even criticize him for the part in bold. Can you tell which one of us majored in Summer School? Anyone that thinks Togiai needed to get in the weight room is a Dumbbell that's never used Dumbbells or Barbells. This was way back in the late 70s/early 80s. The Browns drafted a All American NT from Florida State by the name of Ron Simmons that was bench pressing over 500 pounds at the time. He never panned out in the NFL. Turned out things like shorter levers up top weren't a liability for college football nearly as much as they were for the NFL trenches. There were more weaknesses as well. Bottom line: If an NFL player or team has a weakness - his opponents will know it and exploit it. Edited March 5, 2023 by Flugel typos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 5, 2023 Report Share Posted March 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flugel said: 😆 Let's just say I wanted to be nice before I wasn't nice. The sad thing is I didn't even criticize him for the part in bold. Can you tell which one of us majored in Summer School? Anyone that thinks Togiai needed to get in the weight room is a Dumbbell that's never used Dumbbells or Barbells. This was way back when you in the last 70s/early 80s. The Browns drafted a All American NT from Florida State by the name of Ron Simmons that was bench pressing over 500 pounds at the time. He never panned out in the NFL. Turned out things like shorter levers up top weren't a liability for college football nearly as much as they were for the NFL trenches. There were more weaknesses as well. Bottom line: If an NFL player or team has a weakness - his opponents will know it and exploit it. And you're highlighting the crux of my point. Tommy's issues go WAY beyond saying "get big kid". But the author, instead of putting out a piece that says "Togiai's struggles are a combination of size, burst and run scheme faced that we dive into later " (giving him MORE content to put out at a later date) he basically says "he too smol". It's dumb, and a disservice to Browns fans and football fans everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 5, 2023 Report Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Flugel said: 😆 Let's just say I wanted to be nice before I wasn't nice. The sad thing is I didn't even criticize him for the part in bold. Can you tell which one of us majored in Summer School? Anyone that thinks Togiai needed to get in the weight room is a Dumbbell that's never used Dumbbells or Barbells. This was way back in the late 70s/early 80s. The Browns drafted a All American NT from Florida State by the name of Ron Simmons that was bench pressing over 500 pounds at the time. He never panned out in the NFL. Turned out things like shorter levers up top weren't a liability for college football nearly as much as they were for the NFL trenches. There were more weaknesses as well. Bottom line: If an NFL player or team has a weakness - his opponents will know it and exploit it. When I think guys who under achieved... 2 come to mind...... Courntey Brown (injuries) And Kamerion Wimbley (All the physical talent , No drive) Wimbley was Mack Mitchell Part Deaux... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted March 5, 2023 Report Share Posted March 5, 2023 2 hours ago, nickers said: When I think guys who under achieved... 2 come to mind...... Courntey Brown (injuries) And Kamerion Wimbley (All the physical talent , No drive) Wimbley was Mack Mitchell Part Deaux... Don’t forget #3 overall pick in Gerard “Big Money”Warren. He should’ve been called Gerard “Big Bust” Warren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Canton Dawg said: Don’t forget Justin Gilbert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Orion said: Justin Gilbert. Horrific pick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 26 minutes ago, Orion said: Justin Gilbert. It's almost impressive that in a first round that had the Browns take Billy Manziel, they actually did worse with the other first rounder in Gilbert. Sweet 8lb, 6oz baby Jesus. But then they picked a possible HOF in Joel Bitonio in the second round. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, nickers said: Horrific pick! as was baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 Rumored defensive coaching addition one step closer to joining Jim Schwartz https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/05/browns-dennard-wilson-step-jim-schwartz/ When the Cleveland Browns were looking to replace Joe Woods at their defensive coordinator post, they brought in Dennard Wilson, who was the passing game coordinator and defensive backs coach for the Philadelphia Eagles, in for an interview. They ultimately hired Jim Schwartz for the job, but now Wilson is one step closer to coming to Cleveland anyway as it was rumored he could after he was passed over for the defensive coordinator gig in Philadelphia. As the Eagles opted to hire Sean Desai for their post, Wilson has now mutually agreed to part ways with the Eagles. The Browns did not hire a defensive passing game coordinator, nor a defensive backs coach when they announced their staffing adds last week. Look for Wilson to potentially join the staff of Schwartz soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 1 hour ago, nickers said: Horrific pick! Pettine's tall CB's that he loves so much. I started hating that kid when he held out. And Winfrey got off to the wrong foot when he dragged things on and on, becoming the final draft pick to sign. I don't like that in rookies...they haven't done a damned thing, yet they act like there some big star or somethin'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Flugel said: 😆 Let's just say I wanted to be nice before I wasn't nice. The sad thing is I didn't even criticize him for the part in bold. Can you tell which one of us majored in Summer School? OK i'll bite ..... which one of you majored in in Summer School ? Anyone that thinks Togiai needed to get in the weight room is a Dumbbell that's never used Dumbbells or Barbells. This was way back in the late 70s/early 80s. The Browns drafted a All American NT from Florida State by the name of Ron Simmons that was bench pressing over 500 pounds at the time. He never panned out in the NFL. Turned out things like shorter levers up top weren't a liability for college football nearly as much as they were for the NFL trenches. There were more weaknesses as well. Bottom line: If an NFL player or team has a weakness - his opponents will know it and exploit it. This thread keeps getting more and more interesting. Edited March 6, 2023 by mjp28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 5 hours ago, syd said: as was baker No Manziel was... Baker had some success... Johnny Fucktard had nothing... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 13 hours ago, nickers said: No Manziel was... Baker had some success... Johnny Fucktard had nothing... Nickers is pretty much right on with Johnny no football Manzel ..... not much value for a draft pick of his status. All with CLE - GS 8. TD 7 INT 7 YDS 1675 CAREER QB RATING 74.4 Kind of an -eh- type QB. I'm not sure what he did in Canada -or- with his toking smoking buddy either. Basicly a big 6' 0" washout in the NFL. The stats : Stats Regular Season Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds Sk% NY/A ANY/A 4QC GWD AV Career 14 8 2-6-0 147 258 57.0 1675 7 2.7 7 2.7 78 61 6.5 5.8 11.4 119.6 74.4 22 167 7.9 5.39 4.76 4 2014 22 CLE QB 2 5 2 0-2-0 18 35 51.4 175 0 0.0 2 5.7 6 32 5.0 2.4 9.7 35.0 42.0 7.8 3 26 7.9 3.92 1.55 0 2015 23 CLE QB 2 9 6 2-4-0 129 223 57.8 1500 7 3.1 5 2.2 72 61 6.7 6.3 11.6 166.7 79.4 58.6 19 141 7.9 5.62 5.26 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 I'd love to know who on here was celebrating the night the Browns drafted Manziel. I have some suspicions. 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I'd love to know who on here was celebrating the night the Browns drafted Manziel. I did not want him. But when he was chosen by us I said, OK...he's got a clean slate. Just like when Trump got elected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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