▪︎ 🏈 The Official [ Browns 39 -at- Colts 38 ] Game 6 Thread 🏈 Oct. 22

[nickers]

12 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Wham bam thank ya ma’am

LOL! :))

[Neo]

38 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

 

 I know emotions are high after a win, but I have to keep you on Earth.  Unless Ray, Rod Woodson and The Goose are walking through the doors of Barea, this defense ain't them. 

 They're pretty damn good. But there are weaknesses that I've been talking about for a few weeks now.   But the Cleveland media would have you believe otherwise.   Don't. 

 You caught a large dose of that today and a glimpse va The Ravens. 

You're probably right about this not being the Ravens defense but this Browns D is a bandaid for the poor QB play of Walker and sooner or later it won't be enough. We need a competant backup to Watson.

[syd]

23 minutes ago, nickers said:

I didn't know David Bowie was my dead brother

what can i say ? we are part of the illuminati and you were not invited and i  am not dead

[TexasAg1969]

1 hour ago, Bowser76 said:

ANDREW BERRY GETS THE GAME BALL FOR THIS WIN:

 

DUSTIN HOPKINS, P.J. WALKER AND KAREEM HUNT

3 PLAYERS WHO WERE NOT ON OUR TRAINING CAMP ROSTER OR THE PRESEASON, BUT THEY WON US THE GAME.

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

 

58 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

Well where did you come from ....  but you are CORRECT .... Virgin Islands, nice.   

And welcome to TBB, check out our welcome new members thread.   mjp.

And here I was about to ask who had been sacrificing virgins the last couple of weeks to insure that Browns win games. But now I have the answer: Bowser76.🤣

 

[mjp28]

20 minutes ago, nickers said:

I didn't know David Bowie was my dead brother

I also know that  Mopar  is beating me 114-76  as of right now including the BROWNS 22 points today on Defense.  Thats on my favorite Fleaflicker Fantasy League  much better than the Yahoo or ESPN Leagues ...... even though im in a rare 1st place in out Yahoo League here on TBB.

Oh well  Browns57 will probably get a rare win here on our TBB this weekend.   And such it goes on the FLs.  

[BernieSuperBowl2]

Hopkins is the first kicker in NFL history to kick 50+ yard field goals in 5 consecutive games in a single season. Getting Hopkins and moving on from York has saved us so far. Congratulations to Hopkins and he should for surely get another special teams player of the week award. Amazing!

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/browns-kicker-dustin-hopkins-makes-nfl-history

[bbedward]

Hopkins is great, refs were great. Was a great game and I’m happy they tipped it in our favor at the end.

Please, please, please be on the phone for a QB. Foles, Flacco, anybody that can throw the ball is needed.

[mjp28]

59 minutes ago, syd said:

why you so upset for ?       

Simple I hate to lose anytime to anyone on anything ..... ever !      Cards, dice, MONOPOLY, anything.  "No more Mr Nice Guy",   lol.      mjp.            

[mjp28]

59 minutes ago, syd said:

why you so upset for ?       

Simple I hate to lose anytime to anyone on anything ..... ever !      Cards, dice, MONOPOLY, anything.  "No more Mr Nice Guy",   lol.      mjp.            

[mjp28]

59 minutes ago, syd said:

why you so upset for ?       

Simple I hate to lose anytime to anyone on anything ..... ever !      Cards, dice, MONOPOLY, anything.  "No more Mr Nice Guy",   lol.      mjp.            

[mjp28]

1 hour ago, syd said:

why you so upset for ?       

Simple I hate to lose anytime to anyone on anything ..... ever !      Cards, dice, MONOPOLY, anything.  "No more Mr Nice Guy",   lol.      mjp.               

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[Orion]

After the fumbled pass attempt and Indy recovery I got up and went to gather my tools and use up the remaining sunlight when.........on my way out past the tv, I see that we have it first & goal.    

Refs played for the Browns there at the end...but...we'll take it.  Hunt still had to get it in from 2 yards out.

[Ibleedbrown]

28 minutes ago, BernieSuperBowl2 said:

Hopkins is the first kicker in NFL history to kick 50+ yard field goals in 5 consecutive games in a single season. Getting Hopkins and moving on from York has saved us so far. Congratulations to Hopkins and he should for surely get another special teams player of the week award. Amazing!

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/browns-kicker-dustin-hopkins-makes-nfl-history

Yesss!

I’m out of upvotes for the day. Why is that a thing? Why cannot l upvote/thank/love endlessly all day long? 

Dustin mothafukkin Hokins.

I thought the knock against him was he couldn’t hit the long one?The schlong one?!?

I propose we nickname him Schlong Hopkins. 

[AP1]

Local media showed a clip of Dawand Jones' mom running down the stands to give him a hug.

It's awesome seeing him win at LOS. He's a product of Ben Davis High School on the west side of Indianapolis. They are an Indiana High School Football Blue Blood, 9 State Championships in Indiana's largest class since 1987.

[Ibleedbrown]

3 minutes ago, AP1 said:

Local media showed a clip of Dawand Jones' mom running down the stands to give him a hug.

It's awesome seeing him win at LOS. He's a product of Ben Davis High School on the west side of Indianapolis. They are an Indiana High School Football Blue Blood, 9 State Championships in Indiana's largest class since 1987.

Upvote/love

[SdBacker80]

34 minutes ago, Orion said:

After the fumbled pass attempt and Indy recovery I got up and went to gather my tools and use up the remaining sunlight when.........on my way out past the tv, I see that we have it first & goal.    

Refs played for the Browns there at the end...but...we'll take it.  Hunt still had to get it in from 2 yards out.

Yeah we’ve been on the “let them play” side far too often…remember Christmas in Green Bay a few years back.  It was contact.  Don’t feel bad Browns fans.   The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.  
 

Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center. 
 

[mjp28]

AFCN Sunday.

Pittsburgh  24   LA Rams  17 final.

Cleveland 39   Indianopolis  38  final.

Baltimore  38   Detroit  6   final.

Cincinnati   BYE

▪︎~~~~~~~~~~▪︎

 

[bbedward]

2 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

AFCN Sunday.

Pittsburgh  24   LA Rams  17 final.

Cleveland 39   Indianopolis  38  final.

Baltimore  38   Detroit  6   final.

Cincinnati   BYE

▪︎~~~~~~~~~~▪︎

 

I really did not expect the lions and rams to let us down, but as it stands we control our destiny so can’t complain. At least it’s a very bad bye for Cincinnati.

[Ibleedbrown]

This is wildly petty, but there are no asterisks in this thread title and it bothers me. Can we Mod-ify that?

[Orion]

2 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.  
 

Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center. 

I didn't mind the pass attempts.  ( yeah, the fear a bad QB decision )  Because we had the run in our back pocket if there was nobody open.  

We now have the tiebreaker over the Colts.

[TexasAg1969]

3 hours ago, mjp28 said:

Simple I hate to lose anytime to anyone on anything ..... ever !      Cards, dice, MONOPOLY, anything.  "No more Mr Nice Guy",   lol.      mjp.               

( enlarge for better view )

When did the Orangeman grow a pornstache?😁

[MDDawg]

3 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

Yeah we’ve been on the “let them play” side far too often…remember Christmas in Green Bay a few years back.  It was contact.  Don’t feel bad Browns fans.   The Colts are a really solid team but their secondary is garbage.  
 

Hunt at the 1 with 30 seconds…no timeouts…I got two runs called…he’s by far one of the best weapons inside the 5…didn’t like three passes with the turnover machine behind center. 
 

Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.

[nickers]

3 minutes ago, MDDawg said:

Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.

Kwence sucks... LOL c'mon man.. All he does is repeat himself over and over like a dolt..

[SdBacker80]

16 minutes ago, MDDawg said:

Quincy Carrier gave his opinion on the final sequence of playcalling and I tend to agree with him. In summary with 30 secs left and a back up QB more time conserved with throws rather than stuffed runs. Leave the run for last so if it's stuffed it's the end of the game anyway.

The second play was a shuffle pass into the teeth of the defense with someone not named Hunt I believe.   May as well have been a run.

I don’t know…I’d take Hunt twice from the 1.  

[bbedward]

I think kevsky play calling was great today. The ford muffed pitch was perfect given the defense scheme, lots of runs. PJ walker is atrocious at actually seeing receivers. I gotta think there’s a free agent out there who can at least throw it in the direction of wide open guys. 
 

edit:

 

for the love of god bring in a quarterback berry. There’s better guys on the street

[LondonBrown]

INDIANAPOLIS — Two hours after the Browns stole a stunning 39-38 win on the road over the Indianapolis Colts, a handful of stadium workers assembled a bed at midfield of Lucas Oil Stadium.

I have no idea why there was a bed on the Colts’ logo, but it was certainly appropriate for this wild afternoon. Browns coaches and executives might need to lie down for a minute.

Even the wins are messy right now.

The Browns are 4-2 and running near the front of the pack in a tightly bunched AFC playoff race. They’re getting some questionable officiating calls to finally go their way and they’re figuring out how to win games that for years they always managed to lose.

And yet it’s a five-alarm fire right now at quarterback. Flames are bursting through the roof and bed sheets are hanging out the windows. Deshaun Watson is either hurt and therefore terrible or just terrible and also hurt.

A franchise that backstroked through the bloody waters of a messy shoulder injury to its starting quarterback two years ago is putting on its snorkel and flippers again.

Watson was yanked late in the first quarter Sunday after four series. He took a nasty hit on his right shoulder and he hit his head on the turf, but he cleared concussion protocol and he wasn’t pulled for injury.

He was essentially benched.

“I felt like I wanted to protect him,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “I did not want to see him get hit. He was hit hard.”

Stefanski can spin this however he wants, but he benched his $230 million quarterback with good reason. Watson was awful and completely ineffective: 1-of-5 for 5 yards and an interception. He should’ve thrown a second pick but had the call overturned on replay because the ball hit the turf.

After missing a month with a bruised rotator cuff, Watson clearly wasn’t fit to play an NFL game. He made terrible decisions with the ball and had no accuracy or velocity.

I’m trying not to break the glass and pull all of the alarms on Watson’s atrocious play to this point because there is a legitimate injury to his throwing shoulder and, more importantly, it won’t do any good.

This is a marriage no divorce attorney will touch. The dead cap hit on Watson means he is the Browns’ quarterback for better or worse through at least 2026. There is no getting out of this. Watson has played one excellent game in 10 chances in a Browns uniform, yet the team can do nothing but cling to the memory of Tennessee Watson and pray at the altar he’ll be like he was against the Titans when he’s healthy.

Exactly when will that be?

Stefanski said Watson will start next week at Seattle, but Watson said he wasn’t sure. How can the Browns count on him right now? Stefanski sounded more confident than the quarterback in terms of where he’s at and if he’ll be ready to play.

“I’m praying that it wasn’t anything worse,” Watson said. “That’s all I can do right now is just continue to send prayers up and see what happens tomorrow.”

In an AFC race that is this tightly contested, every win matters. The Browns have beaten the 49ers and Colts in consecutive weeks with snake oil and circus mirrors. It’s a huge credit to this defense and Myles Garrett, who was jumping over other humans Sunday and played the game of his life with two strip sacks, but the Browns won’t keep this up without better quarterback play. It’s untenable.

 

That’s why it’s time to call Washington and ask for Jacoby Brissett back.

I can’t believe I just typed that, but it’s actually the best path out of a terrible predicament. Brissett knows Stefanski’s offense better than anyone available and only left town because of money. The Commanders were able to give him $8 million, far more than the Browns could spend for a backup quarterback given the strain Watson is putting on the Browns’ cap sheet in the years ahead.

Reacquiring Brissett now would only cost the Browns the prorated portion of his $3 million base salary — roughly $2 million. They signed Josh Dobbs for a little less than that to be the backup before they were fooled into thinking Dorian Thompson-Robinson was ready to be the No. 2.

Trading for Brissett now would cost them close to what they originally were going to pay Dobbs, and they could likely get him for something close to the fifth-round pick they received from Arizona for Dobbs in August.

Washington has to agree to all of this, of course, and maybe it wants Brissett to continue mentoring Sam Howell. But the Commanders lost again Sunday to fall to 3-4 and are no better than the third-best team in their division. It’s at least tempting for them.

Nobody will confuse Brissett with an elite NFL starting quarterback, but Watson’s lingering shoulder issue has become ambiguous enough that it could derail the entire season.

Trading Dobbs was a mistake. That’s clear now. But the Browns can rectify it for basically the same price, both in currency and trade assets — and Brissett is better than both what they have currently and what Dobbs could’ve offered in the same role.

It makes too much sense not to do. Brissett could land in Cleveland on Tuesday and be ready to start Sunday if necessary.

P.J. Walker, bless his heart, went 0-for-5 on the game-winning drive last week and was 3-for-8 on the winning drive against the Colts, including a four-seam fastball into David Njoku’s face mask on a short shovel pass at the goal line. He previously missed badly on a fourth-down pitch to Jerome Ford in the third quarter that could’ve been a touchdown and instead was a turnover on downs.

That’s 3-for-13 passing in the game’s most critical moments. He has performed admirably the last two weeks and was thrust into another difficult position Sunday after a few practice reps this week, but there’s a reason the Bears cut him despite owing him guaranteed money this year. He’s not a quarterback who can take the Browns to the playoffs if this shoulder injury to Watson continues to linger.

Brissett might not be, either, but he’s better than the other backups on the roster and he’s at least a veteran who can keep the Browns above sea level for the next few weeks if they need him.

Watson is not helping this team right now and, given what we saw Sunday, it’s irresponsible to believe he’ll be ready to play a full game next week. The Browns have a championship-level defense and a practice squad quarterback.

Brissett at least buys the Browns more time, however long it takes, to get Watson ready to play. And if he’s still throwing it into the ground and to the other team when his shoulder is healthy?

We’re not there yet. But grab the ax and hose. Just in case.

 

[Bob806]

1 hour ago, LondonBrown said:

INDIANAPOLIS — Two hours after the Browns stole a stunning 39-38 win on the road over the Indianapolis Colts, a handful of stadium workers assembled a bed at midfield of Lucas Oil Stadium.

I have no idea why there was a bed on the Colts’ logo, but it was certainly appropriate for this wild afternoon. Browns coaches and executives might need to lie down for a minute.

Even the wins are messy right now.

The Browns are 4-2 and running near the front of the pack in a tightly bunched AFC playoff race. They’re getting some questionable officiating calls to finally go their way and they’re figuring out how to win games that for years they always managed to lose.

And yet it’s a five-alarm fire right now at quarterback. Flames are bursting through the roof and bed sheets are hanging out the windows. Deshaun Watson is either hurt and therefore terrible or just terrible and also hurt.

A franchise that backstroked through the bloody waters of a messy shoulder injury to its starting quarterback two years ago is putting on its snorkel and flippers again.

Watson was yanked late in the first quarter Sunday after four series. He took a nasty hit on his right shoulder and he hit his head on the turf, but he cleared concussion protocol and he wasn’t pulled for injury.

He was essentially benched.

“I felt like I wanted to protect him,” Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “I did not want to see him get hit. He was hit hard.”

Stefanski can spin this however he wants, but he benched his $230 million quarterback with good reason. Watson was awful and completely ineffective: 1-of-5 for 5 yards and an interception. He should’ve thrown a second pick but had the call overturned on replay because the ball hit the turf.

After missing a month with a bruised rotator cuff, Watson clearly wasn’t fit to play an NFL game. He made terrible decisions with the ball and had no accuracy or velocity.

I’m trying not to break the glass and pull all of the alarms on Watson’s atrocious play to this point because there is a legitimate injury to his throwing shoulder and, more importantly, it won’t do any good.

This is a marriage no divorce attorney will touch. The dead cap hit on Watson means he is the Browns’ quarterback for better or worse through at least 2026. There is no getting out of this. Watson has played one excellent game in 10 chances in a Browns uniform, yet the team can do nothing but cling to the memory of Tennessee Watson and pray at the altar he’ll be like he was against the Titans when he’s healthy.

Exactly when will that be?

Stefanski said Watson will start next week at Seattle, but Watson said he wasn’t sure. How can the Browns count on him right now? Stefanski sounded more confident than the quarterback in terms of where he’s at and if he’ll be ready to play.

“I’m praying that it wasn’t anything worse,” Watson said. “That’s all I can do right now is just continue to send prayers up and see what happens tomorrow.”

In an AFC race that is this tightly contested, every win matters. The Browns have beaten the 49ers and Colts in consecutive weeks with snake oil and circus mirrors. It’s a huge credit to this defense and Myles Garrett, who was jumping over other humans Sunday and played the game of his life with two strip sacks, but the Browns won’t keep this up without better quarterback play. It’s untenable.

 

That’s why it’s time to call Washington and ask for Jacoby Brissett back.

I can’t believe I just typed that, but it’s actually the best path out of a terrible predicament. Brissett knows Stefanski’s offense better than anyone available and only left town because of money. The Commanders were able to give him $8 million, far more than the Browns could spend for a backup quarterback given the strain Watson is putting on the Browns’ cap sheet in the years ahead.

Reacquiring Brissett now would only cost the Browns the prorated portion of his $3 million base salary — roughly $2 million. They signed Josh Dobbs for a little less than that to be the backup before they were fooled into thinking Dorian Thompson-Robinson was ready to be the No. 2.

Trading for Brissett now would cost them close to what they originally were going to pay Dobbs, and they could likely get him for something close to the fifth-round pick they received from Arizona for Dobbs in August.

Washington has to agree to all of this, of course, and maybe it wants Brissett to continue mentoring Sam Howell. But the Commanders lost again Sunday to fall to 3-4 and are no better than the third-best team in their division. It’s at least tempting for them.

Nobody will confuse Brissett with an elite NFL starting quarterback, but Watson’s lingering shoulder issue has become ambiguous enough that it could derail the entire season.

Trading Dobbs was a mistake. That’s clear now. But the Browns can rectify it for basically the same price, both in currency and trade assets — and Brissett is better than both what they have currently and what Dobbs could’ve offered in the same role.

It makes too much sense not to do. Brissett could land in Cleveland on Tuesday and be ready to start Sunday if necessary.

P.J. Walker, bless his heart, went 0-for-5 on the game-winning drive last week and was 3-for-8 on the winning drive against the Colts, including a four-seam fastball into David Njoku’s face mask on a short shovel pass at the goal line. He previously missed badly on a fourth-down pitch to Jerome Ford in the third quarter that could’ve been a touchdown and instead was a turnover on downs.

That’s 3-for-13 passing in the game’s most critical moments. He has performed admirably the last two weeks and was thrust into another difficult position Sunday after a few practice reps this week, but there’s a reason the Bears cut him despite owing him guaranteed money this year. He’s not a quarterback who can take the Browns to the playoffs if this shoulder injury to Watson continues to linger.

Brissett might not be, either, but he’s better than the other backups on the roster and he’s at least a veteran who can keep the Browns above sea level for the next few weeks if they need him.

Watson is not helping this team right now and, given what we saw Sunday, it’s irresponsible to believe he’ll be ready to play a full game next week. The Browns have a championship-level defense and a practice squad quarterback.

Brissett at least buys the Browns more time, however long it takes, to get Watson ready to play. And if he’s still throwing it into the ground and to the other team when his shoulder is healthy?

We’re not there yet. But grab the ax and hose. Just in case.

 

This is spot on. 

I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls  You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need. 

Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.

We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team? 

Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it. 

[TexasAg1969]

26 minutes ago, Bob806 said:

This is spot on. 

I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls  You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need. 

Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.

We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team? 

Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it. 

Yep, other GMs know the Browns will have to pay dearly for a Chevy Nova repatriated from Mexico or some such place (BTW "No va" means doesn't go in Spanish). 😱

[jrb12711]

1 hour ago, Bob806 said:

This is spot on. 

I'm sure the Browns are & have been making phone calls  You have to have a willing trade partner. Washington most likely ups it's price due to the Browns need. 

Right now, it's a lot like buying a new car because your other one is a lemon. You know you're going to overpay.

We will see. Did this contract anger the 31 other owners so much that they won't want to aid Haslam's team? 

Damn. As fans there's not much we can do about it. 

I get as well that Jacoby isn't a guy you'll offer the max deal to. But it's also worth noting that in 11 games played Brissett was 8th in the league in total QBR, above both of the big dog QB's in our division. that stat is for sure a bit flawed as the latter played several more games, but Brissett could easily lead this team to significant success and would only need a short time to get on his feet. 

I rarely overhype potential moves but this one in particular is worth exploring heavily.

[bbedward]

29 minutes ago, jrb12711 said:

I get as well that Jacoby isn't a guy you'll offer the max deal to. But it's also worth noting that in 11 games played Brissett was 8th in the league in total QBR, above both of the big dog QB's in our division. that stat is for sure a bit flawed as the latter played several more games, but Brissett could easily lead this team to significant success and would only need a short time to get on his feet. 

I rarely overhype potential moves but this one in particular is worth exploring heavily.

Brisket fits in well to stefanskis offense, though bringing him back will make fans even more hostile to Deshaun if he finally starts playing again.

But what would be a browns season without people demanding the backup. After all, some did demand DTR after week 1. That’d be amplified x 100 with brisket.