The Gipper Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Trubisky quietly put up 300 yards 3 td and an 80% comp rate He could end up being the Carson Wentz of next years draft. A guy not given much consideration....but they shoots up the rankings like a rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Garrett created a lot of pressure and he did it against what will be a first rounder THIS year. Also a 3 year starter. Allen is awesome but he's going against a 3 star true freshman who not an Aggie in the world can figure out why is still starting. Context people. Rewatched the game last night. MG was excellent against the run but definitely didn't create pressure consistently until the 4th quarter. However, I think you can tell by his lack of pursuit at times that his injury is still bothering him quite a bit. Allen is an animal looking for meat. So is their entire D, of course. I've graded the OL in all 6 of our P5 games. Some great DL in there. Adams and Lawson from Auburn, Vanderdoes from UCLA, Barnett and Vereen at Tennessee, Wise at Arkansas. Nobody has the raw talent and strength Alabama does. We have a pretty good center and RG. They're both country boys. Oxen strong. They got tossed around like rag dolls all day in Tuscaloosa. We can take anyone in that front 7 and I'd be giddy. Allen, Williams, Foster, Anderson, Hand, Payne, Tomlinson. Any one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Question for people: - Assuming we win a game and end up picking second somehow (because the browns suck so much they even suck at sucking); - Assuming Cody Kessler (or someone?) shows enough to convince us he's the guy to build around as QB; - Assuming Myles Garrett goes first overall; Who are you looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Question for people: - Assuming we win a game and end up picking second somehow (because the browns suck so much they even suck at sucking); - Assuming Cody Kessler (or someone?) shows enough to convince us he's the guy to build around as QB; - Assuming Myles Garrett goes first overall; Who are you looking at? Here is the current CBS Sports Top Ten prospect ranks: 1 Myles Garrett DE 1 Texas A&M Jr 6-5 262 1 2 Jabrill Peppers SS 1 Michigan rSo 6-0 208 1 3 Jonathan Allen DE 2 Alabama Sr 6-3 291 1 4 Leonard Fournette RB 1 LSU Jr 6-1 230 1 5 Teez Tabor CB 1 Florida Jr 6-0 199 1 6 Malik McDowell DT 1 Michigan State Jr 6-5 282 1 7 Mitch Trubisky QB 1 North Carolina rJr 6-3 220 1 8 Cam Robinson OT 1 Alabama Jr 6-6 310 1 9 Jamal Adams SS 2 LSU Jr 6-0 211 1 10 Tim Williams OLB 1 Alabama Sr 6-3 252 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Thanks google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Thanks google. Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Question for people: - Assuming we win a game and end up picking second somehow (because the browns suck so much they even suck at sucking); - Assuming Cody Kessler (or someone?) shows enough to convince us he's the guy to build around as QB; - Assuming Myles Garrett goes first overall; Who are you looking at? AS of now... It's hard for me to see a team (us) who desires to have a 3-4 D passing on Allen, BUT... Who is that on the other end of the phone that is ringing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 AS of now... It's hard for me to see a team (us) who desires to have a 3-4 D passing on Allen, BUT... Who is that on the other end of the phone that is ringing? After the Jets decided to go with Hackenburg, they just kept piling on that front seven with Myles Garrett. The browns are picking second, and on the other end of the phone, it's the chicago bears, offering their No 5 pick, along with their first rounder next year, and their third rounder this year, in exchange for our No2 pick. Go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 In related news, who gets cut at the end of this year, whose contract gets renewed, and who gets rewarded? For me I see: Cut or not renewed - Williams, Taylor, Poyer, Hawkins, Bailey, RG3, Pasztor, Paea, Lemonier Renew - Pryor, Crowell (could be RFA tagged), Colquitt, Meder (ERFA) for reference: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cleveland-browns/ There's a bunch of scrubby ERFAs at the bottom that will end up as camp fodder for sure but not make the roster next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 After the Jets decided to go with Hackenburg, they just kept piling on that front seven with Myles Garrett. The browns are picking second, and on the other end of the phone, it's the chicago bears, offering their No 5 pick, along with their first rounder next year, and their third rounder this year, in exchange for our No2 pick. Deal! http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pages/the-harvard-trade-value-chart In related news, who gets cut at the end of this year, whose contract gets renewed, and who gets rewarded? For me I see: Cut or not renewed - Williams, Taylor, Poyer, Hawkins, Bailey, RG3, Pasztor, Paea, Lemonier Renew - Pryor, Crowell (could be RFA tagged), Colquitt, Meder (ERFA) Are you on the fence with Winston? Our IR list just would not be the same without him... I'll defend Bailey and Paz. The former has back-filled well for both Greco and Bito at OG. The latter filled in well last year for Bito after the Cam experiment; he is simply not a viable candidate to play on the end of the line. Entirely possible that one or the other ends up getting caught in a numbers game before the end of camp, but both are worthy of a resign. http://overthecap.com/free-agency/cleveland-browns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 i was hoping Mitch would fly under the radar this year but it seems CBS is catching on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Question for people: - Assuming we win a game and end up picking second somehow (because the browns suck so much they even suck at sucking); - Assuming Cody Kessler (or someone?) shows enough to convince us he's the guy to build around as QB; - Assuming Myles Garrett goes first overall; Who are you looking at? Jonathan Allen, Tim Williams (as good now as Myles though maybe a little lower ceiling), Cam Robinson, Jamal Adams. A DL of Shelton, Allen, and Nassib is arousing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 After the Jets decided to go with Hackenburg, they just kept piling on that front seven with Myles Garrett. The browns are picking second, and on the other end of the phone, it's the chicago bears, offering their No 5 pick, along with their first rounder next year, and their third rounder this year, in exchange for our No2 pick. Go. A first rounder to drop just three spots? Yeah, I'm probably doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 A first rounder to drop just three spots? Yeah, I'm probably doing that. We got one to drop 5 places from 4th to 9th, and second is a lot more than 4th. I mean, I'm just spitballing, you can see a scenario where a team around 5th or 6th is QB hungry and we've said we're not and the pick is for sale, and you've got another of those QB hungry teams at 3. For example, draft order looks like: Jets (Garrett) Browns Bears Jags 49ers 49ers might *really* want to get ahead of the bears and it might be worth a lot to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 So lets look at the draft order. Here's the rules.............http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/ At the moment we have only two serious candidates in competition (!?) for #1 overall. Bears and 49's have 1 win each. I am going to assume the Panthers with their one win will eliminate themselves because they are too talented not to do so without intentionally losing out. The Bears play the 49's Dec. 4 so one of those two will have two wins and unless a miracle happens with the Browns winning two, that team is eliminated. We play neither of those teams ourselves so that is a wash. So IF, a huge IF, the Browns should tie the other loser of those two with one win each, who has the greatest strength of schedule between us and the other two "competitors"? The rules state "Overall ties are then broken by strength of schedule, which is a calculation of the combined record of all of a team's opponents in that year, with divisional opponents counting twice." We all know this is where we are headed this year. There has not been enough improvement in play or game day coaching to think otherwise thus far. And quite frankly without a win over the Jets this weekend, we are the "winners" of the draft order game. EDIT: At them moment our division above us is 10-11, 49s 10-8-2 and the Bears 13-6. Since that is the largest factor, we need to root for the 49's to beat the Bears if nothing changes between now and Dec. 4th, even if we beat someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domcucch1994 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Mitch Trubinsky looks like the real deal if he declares. Take him at #1 and give him an oline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Mitch Trubinsky looks like the real deal if he declares. Take him at #1 and give him an oline No. Hell no actually. QB has not been the glaring problem this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 No. Hell no actually. QB has not been the glaring problem this year. Well, there have been glaring problems - mostly revolving around staying on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Myles Garrett at #1, and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face. With the Eagles' and Titans' picks, you take OL and safety/DB. With our 2nd round pick, we take ANOTHER OL, or middle linebacker. We're probably going to have 4 picks out of the first 45 selections in the entire draft. That's insane. This is how YOU ASSEMBLE A COMPETITIVE TEAM. Through the damn draft, and we have the ammunition to do it. Hue Jackson asked everyone to "trust him" regarding the Kessler pick, and I'll be the first one to admit I thought he was crazy. But now I do, and I'm a believer. Build a team around the kid. Accuracy, heart, pocket presence, and leadership outweigh arm strength, size, and speed. Make fun of me all you want, but I think we got it going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Well, there have been glaring problems - mostly revolving around staying on the field... I believe the cardboard cut out o-line may have something to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Myles Garrett at #1, and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face. With the Eagles' and Titans' picks, you take OL and safety/DB. With our 2nd round pick, we take ANOTHER OL, or middle linebacker. We're probably going to have 4 picks out of the first 45 selections in the entire draft. That's insane. This is how YOU ASSEMBLE A COMPETITIVE TEAM. Through the damn draft, and we have the ammunition to do it. Hue Jackson asked everyone to "trust him" regarding the Kessler pick, and I'll be the first one to admit I thought he was crazy. But now I do, and I'm a believer. Build a team around the kid. Accuracy, heart, pocket presence, and leadership outweigh arm strength, size, and speed. Make fun of me all you want, but I think we got it going. You've been on a roll lately, but... predetermining picks for positions is ludicrous; and if there is a QB out there that does not make you pick between your two baskets of qualities, then you take that QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 So lets look at the draft order. Here's the rules.............http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/ At the moment we have only two serious candidates in competition (!?) for #1 overall. Bears and 49's have 1 win each. I am going to assume the Panthers with their one win will eliminate themselves because they are too talented not to do so without intentionally losing out. The Bears play the 49's Dec. 4 so one of those two will have two wins and unless a miracle happens with the Browns winning two, that team is eliminated. We play neither of those teams ourselves so that is a wash. So IF, a huge IF, the Browns should tie the other loser of those two with one win each, who has the greatest strength of schedule between us and the other two "competitors"? The rules state "Overall ties are then broken by strength of schedule, which is a calculation of the combined record of all of a team's opponents in that year, with divisional opponents counting twice." We all know this is where we are headed this year. There has not been enough improvement in play or game day coaching to think otherwise thus far. And quite frankly without a win over the Jets this weekend, we are the "winners" of the draft order game. EDIT: At them moment our division above us is 10-11, 49s 10-8-2 and the Bears 13-6. Since that is the largest factor, we need to root for the 49's to beat the Bears if nothing changes between now and Dec. 4th, even if we beat someone. Our division will be shitty. It could be won by a 9-7 team. 10-6 would be a stretch. Balt/Pitt are .500 teams. The Bengals who are probably the most talented are still the Bengals and certain to overachieve. Browns will not "win" any strength of schedule battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Mitch Trubinsky looks like the real deal if he declares. Take him at #1 and give him an oline He would have to be seriously considered....even if Kessler seems to be doing OK. CBS has him now ranked as the #1 QB prospect.....#7 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Mr. Biscuit, AKA Mitch Trubinsky, is by far my favorite candidate, but I don't want to draft a QB that early. I think we have our QB, and we don't need him. Let's build the REST of our team up with the vast number of quality picks we have. Two first rounders, two EARLY second rounders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domcucch1994 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Well if this FO sees Kessler as the guy, then go defensive end and then Oline. If not, Take Mitch and let em throw the hitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 So I was watching the Washington-Utah game and one of Utah's WR stuck out to me. I'm not sure what his prospects are and, after looking at his stats, I'm assuming he has had some injury troubles but the dude definitely looked the part today. His name is Tim Patrick. I know WR isn't a big need after our draft last year but the dude is 6'5, seemed like a smooth athlete, and made some plays. It might just be the body type but he reminded me of Plaxico Burress. With that said, I am by no means a scout and this is the first time I've spent a lot of time watching Utah play so it could be a one off but he seems like an under the radar type to keep an eye on. Myles Gaskin, the RB for Washington, killed it today as well but he's only a Sophomore. If he plays like he did today on a consistent basis, I have a feeling he'll be going high next year. Oh and if Brile's is still helping out, we need to let him go immediately if only because he raised a son who thinks it's a good idea to run 2 consecutive QB keepers down by 1 with 45 seconds left, starting on your own 20, on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471 Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471 Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect He also thought Jamarcus Russell was the best QB prospect at one point. I will wait to see what is said after the prospects are dissected by every draft expert before jumping for joy over anyone of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Our division will be shitty. It could be won by a 9-7 team. 10-6 would be a stretch. Balt/Pitt are .500 teams. The Bengals who are probably the most talented are still the Bengals and certain to overachieve. Browns will not "win" any strength of schedule battles. Actually Gip that is exactly how you "win" the strength of schedule battle. The shittier your division the higher you get to pick because you tied with someone for the same # of wins while playing crappier teams. So back to my point. Winning today does not move us out of the #1 overall pick. Jets are also a shitty team, so we don't get a lot of credit for the win there either. Make sense? \ BTW Garrett was in a boot for that injured leg and did not play this week against N.M.St. He has been playing on that bad wheel since the 1st Q of the Arkansas game after a low cheap shot by their 6'10" LOT. This is the second game he did not play in, S.Car. being the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471 Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect Gumby Grippe Jr. here in NC. Mitch is proving to be another one hit wonder redshirt jr. Mitch completed 43-44 passes last 2 seasons. He's working behind one of the best OL in the ACC this season. Scouts will most likely prefer a "prove it again season" as a Senior season. But, there is that, Who is Carson Wentz to Mitch. His pre draft evaluation will be full of guys like Kiper. Only my opinion but, I think Mitch should stay to prove he's not like another 1 hit wonder like a guy named Deshawn Watson.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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