cambridgeho Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/ Link to wr pay. Copied and pasted from my phone, so hopefully it works. Could Pryor command 10 million a year, maybe. Will he get it. Probably not. We have the most cap available in forever and could just sign him and get it over with. I'm sure his agent is gauging his services elsewhere to Jack up the Browns price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Rumor: Terrelle Pryor Gone? Removes Browns From Twitter Bio http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1760755-rumor-pryor-gone-removes-browns-from-bio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Rumor: Terrelle Pryor Gone? Removes Browns From Twitter Bio http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1760755-rumor-pryor-gone-removes-browns-from-bio So does he think he's worth more than the Browns are offering? I would hope he'd at least give Cleveland the chance to match the offer he's going to get in FA. Really Sashi- freaking bean counter. Not like we're cash strapped. and if you're quibbling over a few million- I have no use for your "analytics". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Rumor: Terrelle Pryor Gone? Removes Browns From Twitter Bio http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1760755-rumor-pryor-gone-removes-browns-from-bio not much out of this but Pats would never touch his twitter madness..I expect the Browns FO got the last contact before 4PM & he is free not attached to browns at 4PM..Hello Zay Jones!! till he's done chasing..BTW.. seems more Rosenhouse posing than Pryor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 not much out of this but Pats would never touch his twitter madness..I expect the Browns FO got the last contact before 4PM & he is free not attached to browns at 4PM..Hello Zay Jones!! till he's done chasing..BTW.. seems more Rosenhouse posing than Pryor He's not a Patriots kind of guy. They don't pay 1 year WR 10+ million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 He's not a Patriots kind of guy. They don't pay 1 year WR 10+ million Yeah... the last "long" WR they had was Moss. Supposedly the Pats offered their #32 for NOLA's Brandon Cooks... which NOLA turned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 So does he think he's worth more than the Browns are offering? I would hope he'd at least give Cleveland the chance to match the offer he's going to get in FA. Really Sashi- freaking bean counter. Not like we're cash strapped. and if you're quibbling over a few million- I have no use for your "analytics". I mean to play devils advocate, I don't think TP is worth $10 million a year. That would put him in top 15 WR money range for one above average year....that doesn't add up. I highly doubt he'd get that type of money anywhere else though, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Report is out that our offer is in the $8mm/yr area and TP is looking for $10mm+.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 he is free not attached to browns at 4PM.. 4pm on Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Report is out that our offer is in the $8mm/yr area and TP is looking for $10mm+.... So, compromise at 9. Done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 4pm on Thursday. legally yep.but apparently TP's twatter has no day or time regulations that he has to follow. note time 3:40ish. I'd almost bet the browns made a call well before 4pm today. posture standoff till 9th.see ya then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 So does he think he's worth more than the Browns are offering? I would hope he'd at least give Cleveland the chance to match the offer he's going to get in FA. Really Sashi- freaking bean counter. Not like we're cash strapped. and if you're quibbling over a few million- I have no use for your "analytics". I don't think analytics really play a huge role. Someone had to catch passes for the Browns last year and Pryor was that guy. At times he had flashes of impressive size and ability but that was not the majority of his time on the field. I'm hoping the Browns know what his skill set is, what it might be and what the team really needs. To simply sign him to a deal that doesn't make sense based on his abilities may not hurt the team in 2017-18 but could in 18-19 or 19-20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I simply don't get the "overpay for Pryor" mentality. That is exactly the mentality that has plagued the Browns since 1999. He is NOT an established WR & certainly not a #1 WR. I'm with the FO on this....they have made a viable offer, Pryor can take it or leave it. He CAN be replaced. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I don't think analytics really play a huge role. Someone had to catch passes for the Browns last year and Pryor was that guy. At times he had flashes of impressive size and ability but that was not the majority of his time on the field. I'm hoping the Browns know what his skill set is, what it might be and what the team really needs. To simply sign him to a deal that doesn't make sense based on his abilities may not hurt the team in 2017-18 but could in 18-19 or 19-20. I disagree on the analytics take. What I believe we are doing is breaking down the cost of performance elements for the FA population by position and then building the cost model for each FA. It's a little like the Moneyball scene where Brad Pitt schools his scouts on what they're looking for. https://youtu.be/PX_c7W5RNJ8?t=36s The difference is that where we have the resources and can afford to spend, the Oakland A's were on a shoestring budget. But if we go crazy, then as you point out, in the out years we will be in trouble. Case in point... we are about to draft a DE that in four years will likely be handed the richest extension in the history of the game. And, yes, I know that he will come with a 5th year option. I have a feeling he's going to be a keeper that won't get a sniff of FA for at least 8 years... maybe ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I disagree on the analytics take. What I believe we are doing is breaking down the cost of performance elements for the FA population by position and then building the cost model for each FA. It's a little like the Moneyball scene where Brad Pitt schools his scouts on what they're looking for. https://youtu.be/PX_c7W5RNJ8?t=36s The difference is that where we have the resources and can afford to spend, the Oakland A's were on a shoestring budget. But if we go crazy, then as you point out, in the out years we will be in trouble. Case in point... we are about to draft a DE that in four years will likely be handed the richest extension in the history of the game. And, yes, I know that he will come with a 5th year option. I have a feeling he's going to be a keeper that won't get a sniff of FA for at least 8 years... maybe ten. Doesn't every team do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I simply don't get the "overpay for Pryor" mentality. That is exactly the mentality that has plagued the Browns since 1999. He is NOT an established WR & certainly not a #1 WR. I'm with the FO on this....they have made a viable offer, Pryor can take it or leave it. He CAN be replaced. Mike With who? Alshon Jeffrey? Pierre Garcon? DeSean Jackson? They're all older than Pryor, and are going to want more money. Use the #12 pick on Mike Williams if he's still there? Hope one of those those WR ghosts we drafted last year are going to morph into a 1,000 yard receiver? I'm with Ghoolie. Pryor is our best, and probably cheapest option. If he wants $10 million, give him $8 million guaranteed with a $2 million performance bonus if he hits 1,000 yards again. How hard is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Make-Believe Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Letting Josh get away? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Letting Josh get away? Did I miss something? Yup- he'd be a better option than Pryor. But he needs to be reinstated first (not a peep so far out of the Commissioner's office) so that's hardly a done deal. It also depends if the Browns FO, Hue, and Haslam are willing to give him yet another mulligan. That's far from a certainty too. Should the Browns determine he's worn out his welcome, and he does get reinstated- I'd like to think he'd have some value in trade bait. I wouldn't have a problem trading him to the Rams for Trumaine Johnson straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Problem with TP is why spend a year developing someone to let another team reap the benefits. Obviously there's a limit to what we will pay but he's got huge upside and has a competitiveness about him that we need to bring back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I simply don't get the "overpay for Pryor" mentality. That is exactly the mentality that has plagued the Browns since 1999. He is NOT an established WR & certainly not a #1 WR. I'm with the FO on this....they have made a viable offer, Pryor can take it or leave it. He CAN be replaced. Mike Well said Mike! There was the same conversation last year about Travis Benjamin, who scored 1 more TD than Pryor just did in a career best season (2 years after major knee reconstruction) with 5 TDs 966 yards and 68 receptions at 14.2 ypc. We invested all the time in developing him and when he played his best football - the FO gave him a generous offer but he wanted more elsewhere. People were okay with this and when SD took him in - all his numbers went down. Meanwhile, Pryor gave us more yards and receptions in his very first year starting at WR. If we offered Pryor 8 million $ after being the only team to give him a chance/stage at WR - I think it's pretty generous considering the body of work. Let's give Rosenhaus a little credit for being a douche. He wasn't going to accept any offer made. We went 1-15 so it's not like anyone isn't replaceable. There's WRs in this draft that have more experience running routes and I'll bet some of them run good routes far more consistently than Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I agree, $8 million a year is pretty generous, but that offer wasn't enough to keep him in Cleveland, and it might as well have been a goodbye letter instead of an offer. This is the NFL free agency period, and what happens almost every year? One team falls in love with a player and offers a huge deal, and a player takes it. Why wouldn't they? I'm guessing another team will offer him $9 million a year, no question. Does he deserve it? Is he even worth it? Who the hell knows. Could I be wrong? Yep, I certainly could be. But I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Profootball talk was saying his agent was asking in the 12mil range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I didn't realise he was 28 years old! With just one year of production $12m is too much to be asking surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Profootball talk was saying his agent was asking in the 12mil range. If he (i.e. his agent) is really line in the sand for $12 million then this FO should let him walk. I like TP a good bit but no ways on God's green Earth he is worth that. That's top ten WR money for a dude with one okay season. I don't doubt though that this is exaggerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Let's face it. He only got that many yards because there was no one else to throw to other the Barny. Too many off season losses, injuries and non-productve rookies in the WR corps, so there was only one real option. Granted he did ok in that kind of position, but certainly not a #1 kind of player. $12mil is too high for a #2. Either show us those rookies were the real deal or draft a quality WR in this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Well said Mike! There was the same conversation last year about Travis Benjamin, who scored 1 more TD than Pryor just did in a career best season (2 years after major knee reconstruction) with 5 TDs 966 yards and 68 receptions at 14.2 ypc. We invested all the time in developing him and when he played his best football - the FO gave him a generous offer but he wanted more elsewhere. People were okay with this and when SD took him in - all his numbers went down. Meanwhile, Pryor gave us more yards and receptions in his very first year starting at WR. If we offered Pryor 8 million $ after being the only team to give him a chance/stage at WR - I think it's pretty generous considering the body of work. Let's give Rosenhaus a little credit for being a douche. He wasn't going to accept any offer made. We went 1-15 so it's not like anyone isn't replaceable. There's WRs in this draft that have more experience running routes and I'll bet some of them run good routes far more consistently than Pryor. Oh well. Rosenhaus got a fat head when he gouged the Steelers with Brown's $19 million. Ya know if Brown is worth that then Pryor is worth this. If Brandon Marshall got $6 million, $8 million sounds about right for Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Garcon getting $16m first year is probably bad news regards what Pryor may be being offered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Doesn't every team do this? I don't think so... at least not the "this" I was trying to communicate. I think a lot of teams do what hoorta was doing a post or two after yours, i.e., try to ID players who are the equivalent of TP on a macro, qualitative basis. These teams then look at how much those ID'd players are paid, either add on a premium or deduct a chunk to create an opening offer, hit "Send" and wait for the phone to ring to begin the price haggling. I think we have done the regression analysis to develop a quantitative, micro, skill-value model into which we can plug any FA's skill assessment and crank out what is that player's fair value. We present that assessment to the player and discuss differences in the assessment. I didn't realise he was 28 years old! And here I thought you read my posts... Will be 28 as of June 20. Let's face it. He only got that many yards because there was no one else to throw to other the Barny. Yup... just as Barn benefited the year before that and Hawk the year before that. Ya know if Brown is worth that then Pryor is worth this. I hope you are being sarcastic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Holy timely article, Batman! Remember... I said it was "timely", not "good"... Browns’ analytics department may not be high on Terrelle Pryor http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/08/browns-analytics-department-may-not-be-high-on-terrelle-pryor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I hope you are being sarcastic... RE: Pryor- nope, I was coming from the place Rosenhaus is going to argue to the Browns on just how much Pryor is worth. (in his deluded mind) Of course an agent is going to try to maximize his client's deal- and as a result fatten his wallet in the process. I'll stand by what I posted earlier. Make him a reasonable offer with an incentive laden contract. You want to get paid like a top 15 receiver? Well earn it. You want a shit ton of guaranteed money? Let some other team pay it for you. Now regarding Brown- the Steelers sure were desperate to keep him in the fold. Between him Rothlisberger, and Bell- they're shelling out a boatloads of cash on those three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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