Donald, my man, time to let go

[Canton Dawg]

4 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

The only whataboutism that matters is how was the country doing under Trump and how is it doing now. If you can limit yourself to actual issues that would be great but I don't expect it. The team you voted in has been a disaster. And easily more embarrassing than the previous administration just in a different way.

WSS

All they hear is TRUMP…TRUMP…TRUMP

[VaporTrail]

52 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Oh my bad, maybe it was jbluhm then. I just no it wasn't any of the MAGA crew.  Point being, I still would take the time to review them.

Alright, and now your assumption is that I've only read a "legacy media headline". That feels a little like exactly what you've accused me of... 

Look, I'm not going to lie about where I stand right now. I haven't seen anything compelling (yet) otherwise. If you think I'm wrong, and want to go through why, I'd be happy to listen. But I won't mask or misrepresent my current thoughts on the matter.

 

If you feel like a response is just talking at me, so be it. There is no obligation to respond. 

 

 

Alright, let's try to find some common ground. 

This is from an NYT/Siena poll from last week. The numbers in this are staggering. Not just double digits, but 30% disapproval from black voters for a sitting Democrat president. Over 60% disapproval from Hispanic voters. The only other demographic that Joe Biden has majority approval is from people with graduate degrees. The Democrat party has become the party of white city yuppies and suburbanites who care mostly about abortion and gun control (see the full document for those details). Meanwhile, the Republicans appear to be forming a multiracial coalition of working-class voters. The most important issue across all voters was the economy. The third most important issue was political division/democracy integrity. I'd argue that woke corporatism and big tech astroturfing/suppression would fall into that broad third category. Do you think the role these issues are playing in this demographic shift is negligible?

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, Canton Dawg said:

All they hear is TRUMP…TRUMP…TRUMP

You want to know why? Of course- hardcore MAGAs STILL can't get enough of their Mango Messiah.  Up in Alaska bashing Murkowski, here, there and everywhere on his national revenge tour. Sure acting like he's running for president again. Can't stay out of the spotlight. 

Only thing that might stop Donnie is a criminal indictment, not sure if Garland is going to have the guts to pull the trigger. The evidence and sworn testimony is overwhelming. BTW, if it's a Kangaroo Court- it's NOT a court, just looking for facts.. Where's all those loyal Trumpistas lining up to testify under oath that it's all bullshit?  Hmmm??? Car #45 SUV drivers, where are you?? Cippolini's testimony about that December meeting SMH- where OMG... They wanted to make Syd Powell a special prosecutor, and Rudy Patootie had to be escorted out of the White House? After which Donnie tweeted... "Come on down 1\6, it will be WILD!!!"   I know some of you are still having trouble with what that meant... However, the Oath Keepers and a few other wannabe insurrectionists... Knew EXACTLY what that meant. But do keep on burying your collective heads in the sand... LALALALA we don't see anything wrong there.      

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

 

[Westside Steve]

5 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I like to piss anyone off who stays blind to what Trump did leading up to and including the Jan. 6 attempt to illegally maintain power. If staying blind to that fits you, then tough shit. Just stay pissed for all I care. I can only assume you are not listening to the testimony of all the insiders who tried to persuade him to stop what he was doing because it was not legal or constitutional. Even his main guy yesterday praised Pence for doing the right thing in completing the electoral process.  

 

 

This is the guy you picked for your rebuttal?

And I kind of agree with Mike Pence I think it would have probably been a waste of time and we had wasted enough time on it. I do think it was a valid request and he certainly could have chosen to send the vote back to the States for recertification but to what avail?

The fix was in anyway.

WSS

[calfoxwc]

It was only a matter of time - woodpecker has an alienating effect on most folks on this forum.

and tex, I don't see anyone getting po'd at you, you are just running your mouth to get people

to pay attention to you.

sad.

but not sadder than the asswhole birdbrain.

[calfoxwc]

tex -

pence is a wimp. of course you like him.

https://deadspin.com/mike-pence-is-a-fucking-joke-1794495680

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

7 hours ago, hoorta said:

You want to know why? Of course- hardcore MAGAs STILL can't get enough of their Mango Messiah.  Up in Alaska bashing Murkowski, here, there and everywhere on his national revenge tour. Sure acting like he's running for president again. Can't stay out of the spotlight. 

Only thing that might stop Donnie is a criminal indictment, not sure if Garland is going to have the guts to pull the trigger. The evidence and sworn testimony is overwhelming. BTW, if it's a Kangaroo Court- it's NOT a court, just looking for facts.. Where's all those loyal Trumpistas lining up to testify under oath that it's all bullshit?  Hmmm??? Car #45 SUV drivers, where are you?? Cippolini's testimony about that December meeting SMH- where OMG... They wanted to make Syd Powell a special prosecutor, and Rudy Patootie had to be escorted out of the White House? After which Donnie tweeted... "Come on down 1\6, it will be WILD!!!"   I know some of you are still having trouble with what that meant... However, the Oath Keepers and a few other wannabe insurrectionists... Knew EXACTLY what that meant. But do keep on burying your collective heads in the sand... LALALALA we don't see anything wrong there.      

[Axe]

My man....

 

And hopefully 46

 

https://www.floridadaily.com/ron-desantis-announces-a-21-8-billion-surplus/

[TexasAg1969]

Lot of blah, blah , blah on this board to keep from hearing the obvious. He's a traitor. You just don't want to admit it. And as to Cheney trailing? What's that got to do with the price of cotton? She said herself...............................she will not be a part of the cult of personality and it's plain to see the trumpies here are into that so deep they can't see out of the shit he buried you in when he claimed stolen election. He had the same exact claim before the outcome of the 2016 election because he is a delusional bastard who can't be seen as a loser.........................which he is. Somehow you all forgot about that 2016 claim as soon as he won.

[FairHooker11]

from truth social - DJT stock photo footage

Musk is standing and Trump... well

Musk had paid back the Tesla $ubsidie$ in full (early) so theres that,

rockets to nowhere? pretty sure he's (musk) doing it at a profit.  

still miss 45 though and if he had his 2nd term I bet we wouldnt be in our current predicament now would we? 

 

 

[TexasAg1969]

Have a look at the testimony of one of your own, a hard working family man from NE Ohio. The second video reveals the aftermath of what has happened

to him and his family since Jan. 6. It's good people like him that got sucked in by King con and paid a price Trump did not have to pay. Maybe some of you

could actually learn something from his experience as he learned something that has changed everything for him.

 

 

 

And this is what happened to him for believing just like many of you still do. Maybe for once listen to one of your own.

 

 

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

[Vambo]

[hammertime]

And you guys want to bust on JABF?

 

Your proven wrong continually.

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, hammertime said:

And you guys want to bust on JABF?

 

Your proven wrong continually.

Wrong about exactly what hammer?   That Trump is a delusional con man, pathological liar, nut job wannabe dictator (he does admire strongmen like Putin and Kim Jong) who was so butthurt he lost to Sleepy Joe, he tried to overturn the election results on 1\6 by force calling up his troops- namely the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and anyone else brainwashed enough to believe they had to "fight like hell".  Donnie apparently wanted to lead the charge up to the Capitol too, but the Secret Service told him that was a no-go.  Fortunately, the MAGA dream of living in a Banana Republic led by Mango Mussolini with your $2 buck a gallon gas (lotsa luck there) is getting more and more remote by the day.  Make America Germany Great Again.  The world has heard that before hammer, and frankly it scares the hell out of me.  

I'll be getting the popcorn ready next week for the testimony what Trump was doing for 3 hours on 1\6 while his mob was attacking the Capitol, and he did nothing to stop it... "Go home we love you"... BARF!!! 

[Canton Dawg]

23 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Wrong about exactly what hammer?   That Trump is a delusional con man, pathological liar, nut job wannabe dictator (he does admire strongmen like Putin and Kim Jong) who was so butthurt he lost to Sleepy Joe, he tried to overturn the election results on 1\6 by force calling up his troops- namely the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and anyone else brainwashed enough to believe they had to "fight like hell".  Donnie apparently wanted to lead the charge up to the Capitol too, but the Secret Service told him that was a no-go.  Fortunately, the MAGA dream of living in a Banana Republic led by Mango Mussolini with your $2 buck a gallon gas (lotsa luck there) is getting more and more remote by the day.  Make America Germany Great Again.  The world has heard that before hammer, and frankly it scares the hell out of me.  

I'll be getting the popcorn ready next week for the testimony what Trump was doing for 3 hours on 1\6 while his mob was attacking the Capitol, and he did nothing to stop it... "Go home we love you"... BARF!!! 

So…tell us again how Dementia Joe is good for the USA?

I’ll get the popcorn, this ought to be good.

[hammertime]

31 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Wrong about exactly what hammer?   That Trump is a delusional con man, pathological liar, nut job wannabe dictator (he does admire strongmen like Putin and Kim Jong) who was so butthurt he lost to Sleepy Joe, he tried to overturn the election results on 1\6 by force calling up his troops- namely the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and anyone else brainwashed enough to believe they had to "fight like hell".  Donnie apparently wanted to lead the charge up to the Capitol too, but the Secret Service told him that was a no-go.  Fortunately, the MAGA dream of living in a Banana Republic led by Mango Mussolini with your $2 buck a gallon gas (lotsa luck there) is getting more and more remote by the day.  Make America Germany Great Again.  The world has heard that before hammer, and frankly it scares the hell out of me.  

I'll be getting the popcorn ready next week for the testimony what Trump was doing for 3 hours on 1\6 while his mob was attacking the Capitol, and he did nothing to stop it... "Go home we love you"... BARF!!! 

Wrong about the Border, abortion, CRT, BLM, Energy, Gender, that’s just the beginning.  Your so focused on Trump you cant see how dire things are with the idiot in charge now.   Denying we were better off with Trump just screams of the same lunacy of this 1/6 sham.  Yet you hurting so bad you’ll believe anything.  Even second hand stuff from some intern…

[Vambo]

2 hours ago, hoorta said:

Wrong about exactly what hammer?   That Trump is a delusional con man, pathological liar, nut job wannabe dictator (he does admire strongmen like Putin and Kim Jong) who was so butthurt he lost to Sleepy Joe, he tried to overturn the election results on 1\6 by force calling up his troops- namely the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and anyone else brainwashed enough to believe they had to "fight like hell".  Donnie apparently wanted to lead the charge up to the Capitol too, but the Secret Service told him that was a no-go.  Fortunately, the MAGA dream of living in a Banana Republic led by Mango Mussolini with your $2 buck a gallon gas (lotsa luck there) is getting more and more remote by the day.  Make America Germany Great Again.  The world has heard that before hammer, and frankly it scares the hell out of me.  

I'll be getting the popcorn ready next week for the testimony what Trump was doing for 3 hours on 1\6 while his mob was attacking the Capitol, and he did nothing to stop it... "Go home we love you"... BARF!!! 

 

I stopped by my local Ford Dealership this morning to look for a new truck. I saw a nice F-350 crew cab loaded with all the options that I liked and asked to take it for a test drive.

The salesperson (a lady wearing a Biden for President lapel pin) sat in the passenger seat next to me, describing the truck and all its options. She explained that the Electric Seats were connected to the ventilation system and could be set to direct cool air to your butt in the summer & warm air to your butt in the winter.

So I mentioned that this must be a "Trump truck". She looked at me a bit angry, and asked why I thought it was a Trump truck. I told her that if it were a Biden truck, the seats would just blow smoke up my ass year round.

The two mile walk back to the dealership to pick up my truck was worth it.

[TexasAg1969]

You're wasting your time hoorta. They can't see it has nothing to do with which one is or was better. It has to do with which one is trying to

illegally maintain power and trying to bring down this republic. All else pales in comparison.  And one sees it too late, after he's lost his 20 year 

job and his home in NE Ohio. And all they can do as laugh about that. That's pretty damn sick to laugh at likely another Browns fan's misfortune

of following what he thought his leader was legally calling him to do only to find out later it was all just another con job.

[Vambo]

8 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

You're wasting your time hoorta. They can't see it has nothing to do with which one is or was better. It has to do with which one is trying to

illegally maintain power and trying to bring down this republic. All else pales in comparison.  And one sees it too late, after he's lost his 20 year 

job and his home in NE Ohio. And all they can do as laugh about that. That's pretty damn sick to laugh at likely another Browns fan's misfortune

of following what he thought his leader was legally calling him to do only to find out later it was all just another con job.

[Vambo]

3 hours ago, hoorta said:

Wrong about exactly what hammer?   That Trump is a delusional con man, pathological liar, nut job wannabe dictator (he does admire strongmen like Putin and Kim Jong) who was so butthurt he lost to Sleepy Joe, he tried to overturn the election results on 1\6 by force calling up his troops- namely the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and anyone else brainwashed enough to believe they had to "fight like hell".  Donnie apparently wanted to lead the charge up to the Capitol too, but the Secret Service told him that was a no-go.  Fortunately, the MAGA dream of living in a Banana Republic led by Mango Mussolini with your $2 buck a gallon gas (lotsa luck there) is getting more and more remote by the day.  Make America Germany Great Again.  The world has heard that before hammer, and frankly it scares the hell out of me.  

I'll be getting the popcorn ready next week for the testimony what Trump was doing for 3 hours on 1\6 while his mob was attacking the Capitol, and he did nothing to stop it... "Go home we love you"... BARF!!! 

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

33 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

You're wasting your time hoorta. They can't see it has nothing to do with which one is or was better. It has to do with which one is trying to

illegally maintain power and trying to bring down this republic. All else pales in comparison.  And one sees it too late, after he's lost his 20 year 

job and his home in NE Ohio. And all they can do as laugh about that. That's pretty damn sick to laugh at likely another Browns fan's misfortune

of following what he thought his leader was legally calling him to do only to find out later it was all just another con job.

You guys need to seek professional help.  Trump hasn't been President for over a year and a half.  How about talking about the massive failures of the person you voted for.

[hoorta]

3 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

So…tell us again how Dementia Joe is good for the USA?

I’ll get the popcorn, this ought to be good.

You had your chance November 2020... 7 million Americans disagreed. But one guy who believes he can never "lose" at golf, much less presidential elections, didn't agree....  

3 hours ago, hammertime said:

Wrong about the Border, abortion, CRT, BLM, Energy, Gender, that’s just the beginning.  Your so focused on Trump you cant see how dire things are with the idiot in charge now.   Denying we were better off with Trump just screams of the same lunacy of this 1/6 sham.  Yet you hurting so bad you’ll believe anything.  Even second hand stuff from some intern…

Whataboutism at it's finest hammer....  It would be one HELL of a lot more dire if Trumpie's little insurrection had succeeded. Electoral ballots burned... Pence and Pelosi dead.  Want me to play the sound clip "HANG MIKE PENCE"? Didn't think so... (I do think in that scenario the National Guard- hopefully- would have marched straight to the White House and tossed Donnie in handcuffs and led him off to jail)  Great.. damn near everyone on this Forum thinks Joe sucks as a president. That doesn't excuse DJT's illegal as hell power grab to remain president... Even though there's a ton of sworn testimony for White House insiders that's exactly what he did 1\6. 

A bunch of the above crap is laughable hammer... You're the delusionals who would rather believe a pathological liar and believe anything because it fits your POV.  BLM? One of your pals told me I thought Harris was unelectable because of race. Was it the Proud Guy, or the Oath Keeper.. I'm a little fuzzy on that.. Who testified these alt-right nut jobs are white supremacists? Trump called the Charlottesville guys OK. Border?  Yeah, Donnie stokes your xenophobic (and Cal's) POV hammer.  There's only so much oil in the ground, but apparently you'd rather deny that little factoid. Sort of like Congress is still kicking the can down the road about Social Security. Doesn't hurt to be a little proactive when it comes to energy policy.  Gender? Pro anti abortion? Look, I've said about a dozen times I'm pro life, but sure looks like the minority right is trying to turn America into a theocracy.  

Are you and the guys going to stage another riot when Trump gets hauled off to jail? LOL!!!   I said it before... And I'll say it to you again....  If it's a Kangaroo Court... Where are all of Trump's pals willing to testify UNDER OATH that it's all bullshit?  HUH???? Don't give me Steve Bannon either- his eleventh hour ploy to testify is an attempt for him to avoid jail on his contempt of Congress case coming up next week. (and his Orange pal can't pardon him this time, LOL!!!)  Not a peep yet either from the SUV guys willing to testify under oath Hutchinson has it all wrong.  Bennie T. told 'em if you've got something to say, "come on down, we'll listen".      

If..  You want a Banana Republic, by all means vote Trump 2024... Should he get indicted by the DOJ before then, the MAGA's pipe dream is up in smoke.  Really, if you prefer Trump's policies without the lunacy, you had better hope it's DeSantis 2024.   

[Westside Steve]

7 minutes ago, hoorta said:

You had your chance November 2020... 7 million Americans disagreed. But one guy who believes he can never "lose" at golf, much less presidential elections, didn't agree....  

Whataboutism at it's finest hammer....  It would be one HELL of a lot more dire if Trumpie's little insurrection had succeeded. Electoral ballots burned... Pence and Pelosi dead.  Want me to play the sound clip "HANG MIKE PENCE"? Didn't think so... (I do think in that scenario the National Guard- hopefully- would have marched straight to the White House and tossed Donnie in handcuffs and led him off to jail)  Great.. damn near everyone on this Forum thinks Joe sucks as a president. That doesn't excuse DJT's illegal as hell power grab to remain president... Even though there's a ton of sworn testimony for White House insiders that's exactly what he did 1\6. 

A bunch of the above crap is laughable hammer... You're the delusionals who would rather believe a pathological liar and believe anything because it fits your POV.  BLM? One of your pals told me I thought Harris was unelectable because of race. Was it the Proud Guy, or the Oath Keeper.. I'm a little fuzzy on that.. Who testified these alt-right nut jobs are white supremacists? Trump called the Charlottesville guys OK. Border?  Yeah, Donnie stokes your xenophobic (and Cal's) POV hammer.  There's only so much oil in the ground, but apparently you'd rather deny that little factoid. Sort of like Congress is still kicking the can down the road about Social Security. Doesn't hurt to be a little proactive when it comes to energy policy.  Gender? Pro anti abortion? Look, I've said about a dozen times I'm pro life, but sure looks like the minority right is trying to turn America into a theocracy.  

Are you and the guys going to stage another riot when Trump gets hauled off to jail? LOL!!!   I said it before... And I'll say it to you again....  If it's a Kangaroo Court... Where are all of Trump's pals willing to testify UNDER OATH that it's all bullshit?  HUH???? Don't give me Steve Bannon either- his eleventh hour ploy to testify is an attempt for him to avoid jail on his contempt of Congress case coming up next week. (and his Orange pal can't pardon him this time, LOL!!!)  Not a peep yet either from the SUV guys willing to testify under oath Hutchinson has it all wrong.  Bennie T. told 'em if you've got something to say, "come on down, we'll listen".      

If..  You want a Banana Republic, by all means vote Trump 2024... Should he get indicted by the DOJ before then, the MAGA's pipe dream is up in smoke.  Really, if you prefer Trump's policies without the lunacy, you had better hope it's DeSantis 2024.   

The asshole you elected is making a banana republic look like  a Jeffersonian Utopia right about now. 

WSS

[hoorta]

50 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

You guys need to seek professional help.  Trump hasn't been President for over a year and a half.  How about talking about the massive failures of the person you voted for.

How about Trump just playing golf, instead of acting like he's still the President in exile for a change?  So why is he still holding those rallies?  I'll tell you why- and buy a clue- because the malignant narcissist part of his personality can't let it go...  He needs the undying adulation of Cult 45 to stoke his ego.  

Or how about doing a little research, because a lot of the stuff you're blaming Joe for is totally out of his control. "Hi Vlad this is Joe... I'm greenlighting you to invade Ukraine".  That's for starters. High gas prices?  Sorry, that's a worldwide problem. Man, I'll bet Boris over in GB can just tell those nasty Saudis to start pumping more oil too.     

[hoorta]

1 minute ago, Westside Steve said:

The asshole you elected is making a banana republic look like  a Jeffersonian Utopia right about now. 

WSS

WAHHHHH!!!   The Trump Supreme Court is doing a fine job for Trump. Maybe you should look up what happens when you have a Banana Republic.  Donnie took step #1 with a failed power grab. Deny that one at your own risk Steve.  .  

[Westside Steve]

1 minute ago, hoorta said:

WAHHHHH!!!   The Trump Supreme Court is doing a fine job for Trump. Maybe you should look up what happens when you have a Banana Republic.  Donnie took step #1 with a failed power grab. Deny that one at your own risk Steve.  .  

Like I told Woody..

😉

WSS

[hoorta]

1 minute ago, Westside Steve said:

Like I told Woody..

😉

WSS

Great... if you don't like Joe's America (and I've said he should be excommunicated over his pro choice stance) you'll have your chance come November to cut Joe's nuts off with a Republican Congress.  

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

20 minutes ago, hoorta said:

How about Trump just playing golf, instead of acting like he's still the President in exile for a change?  So why is he still holding those rallies?  I'll tell you why- and buy a clue- because the malignant narcissist part of his personality can't let it go...  He needs the undying adulation of Cult 45 to stoke his ego.  

Or how about doing a little research, because a lot of the stuff you're blaming Joe for is totally out of his control. "Hi Vlad this is Joe... I'm greenlighting you to invade Ukraine".  That's for starters. High gas prices?  Sorry, that's a worldwide problem. Man, I'll bet Boris over in GB can just tell those nasty Saudis to start pumping more oil too.     

Oh bullshit.  You have to admit your problems before you really start getting better.