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[bjh2130]

2 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

That's almost exactly what it was. 

Only Denzel was very generous in his depth on his side, protecting the sideline.  Delpit dropped like it was a 2 read, robbing curl to post, and didn't get back over top.

 

Edit: let me phrase that by saying- strong side of the formation is playing quarters rules 4 over 3.   On the weak side everyone except Delpit, appears to be playing cover 2 rules.  

I said this before - this defense has some issues. But right now, Grant Delpits play is the largest of those issues. 

Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I now you did a break down on discord. Do you happen to have a screen shot of the all 22 look showing it

[tiamat63]

2 hours ago, Korsou Dawg said:

Up to you to decide if it is relevant enough. Based on what I saw, it was more a protection issue, rather than a rookie kicker 'just' missing the PAT.

I'm happy to take requests like any good D.J.    on my list of relevants, it wasn't the highest priority, but I'll get it looked at and get back to you.

 

27 minutes ago, bjh2130 said:

Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I now you did a break down on discord. Do you happen to have a screen shot of the all 22 look showing it

At the moment, no screenshots. But I'll put a few in the discord for you.

 I'll tell you (any one one else following along) now. I've been kicking this around for a long while, and I have a couple friends/former teammates who have been begging me to get into it - but I'm going to be less present here with breakdowns by frame and I'll be investing time into developing video and a corresponding YouTube channel with it.  

 My computer sucks, but I have a friend who is good with them who is going to give it some juice and teach me how to use OBS studio, video/audio capture and editing so I can produce a quality offering focused overwhelmingly on the Brownies.   I think the benefit of being team specific means you have a greater command of their personnel, a more intimate understanding of not only present, but the past and potentially the future as well.  Because of that, I don't intend on putting myself on a deadline to create this type of informative content. Removing the time constraint will give me the freedom to develop videos and information that are not only accurate, but stand the test of time in my assessments.  

 I've also done a bit of testing on how many hours per week I'd have to dedicate to be comfortable putting accurate work out there...  Needless to say, it's pretty significant.  So like I said, that means less time here.  So don't hesitate to check back in on the discord channel itself from time to time or if you see me in there. 

I'll have more of a formal announcement, which I'll also share on this board, at a later time. 

[jiggins7919]

On 9/19/2022 at 9:01 PM, Dutch Oven said:

Jim Donovan just killed the Browns for 60 minutes on Redzone.

He had exactly zero fucks to give. 

He channeled my exact feelings. 

[tiamat63]

8 hours ago, Korsou Dawg said:

Re PAT: I distinctly remember a defender charging at York from the left side, about two or three steps away from the ball. Presumably that made him rush his kick. That breakdown in protection is on the coach's plate. 

Didn't anyone else notice that? Maybe @tiamat63in his video review? 

 

6 over 5 from the long-snappers left shoulder. Wyatt Teller does an alright job getting the smallest check on the free rush edge without giving up the inside push.  The latter something he absolutely cannot do unless he wants to get Appy State'd type blocked.  At that point it's between snap count and execution vs the jump and speed of the free rusher. 

NYJ actually had tried the same thing on the extra point from the Browns 2nd TD, only they used the alignment to the right side instead of the left - Cade put that one right down the middle.

Nothing you won't see a few hundred times over the course of an NFL season.  Doesn't look like anybody got a finger on it.  So whatever pressure there was boils down to a rookie kicker having to execute in situations where it is quite literally a game of inches. 

[Orion]

Chubb is accepting blame.   And I like it.  He was smart enough to do it once before.  He could've got the 1st and gone ob.   We then take knees.  It's a hard way to learn a lesson.  I love Chubb....but he knows better.

[Flugel]

12 hours ago, Orion said:

Chubb is accepting blame.   And I like it.  He was smart enough to do it once before.  He could've got the 1st and gone ob.   We then take knees.  It's a hard way to learn a lesson.  I love Chubb....but he knows better.

True; or, he could have gone down to a knee at the 1 yard line so the clock kept ran to the 2 minute warning.  Just another example of Chubb being the ideal LEADER by example and accountability.  Accepting blame is hard to do as we've seen with our defense - which can lead to finger pointing, trust issues and a lack of cohesiveness.

The truth of the matter is - Chubb adding 7 points to make the lead 13 points on a team running out of time outs with only 2 minutes remaining wasn't why this team lost. BUT, this was a very clever and classy way (even if not intentionally) for Chubb to show the veteran knuckleheads on DEFENSE - this team is in desperate need of good veteran leadership beginning with accountability.  It was supposed to be Joe Flacco, not Joe Montana out there.  They were supposed to be the same team that had only 17 points on the board for 58 minutes, which should mean 14 points in 2 minutes without any timeouts is very improbable. 

Another part of me is very disappointed to see it took the workhorse that scored 3 TDs volunteering to be the bad guy because there wasn't 1 veteran player on defense capable of doing that.  As much as Myles Garrett can be a difference maker, he can also disappear at the worst of times on us (ie; calling out the fans for booing when they paid a lot of money to watch the defense flat line twice in 2 minutes is NOT getting it all Myles!) That defense should have had a behind closed doors (players only) meeting; and maybe they did... We'll see how they respond and what they're made of tonight.

[Orion]

11 minutes ago, Flugel said:

he could have gone down to a knee at the 1 yard line so the clock kept ran to the 2 minute warning.

The clock read 2:02 before the ball was snapped so it didn't matter if he went down in or out of bounds.

[Zombo]

Someone start this week's thread ... I don't want my bad mojo to carryover...

Z

[Flugel]

9 minutes ago, Orion said:

The clock read 2:02 before the ball was snapped so it didn't matter if he went down in or out of bounds.

Sorry about that!  I said that thinking there was 2:02 after the run and it would have got them to the 2 minute warning,  My bad.

[syd]

On 9/18/2022 at 2:05 PM, nickers said:

I told you people Briquet is PURE SHIT!

596 passing yards 4 td's 1 int passing rating 94.3  ya your right he sucks  maybe we should trade for baker cause he sure is tearing it up in carolina

[Flugel]

On 9/23/2022 at 2:09 PM, syd said:

596 passing yards 4 td's 1 int passing rating 94.3  ya your right he sucks  maybe we should trade for baker cause he sure is tearing it up in carolina

4 TDs:1 INT ratio for a backup QB?   If anyone is complaining about that - there is a 0% chance of reasoning with them Syd. 

[Dutch Oven]

35 minutes ago, Flugel said:

4 TDs:1 INT ratio for a backup QB?   If anyone is complaining about that - there is a 0% chance of reasoning with them Syd. 

As I've said too many times on here tegarding this specific poster - consider the source. 

[Flugel]

On 9/19/2022 at 9:30 AM, nickers said:

This guy was hired because part of his resume was Secondary specialist... so far after 3 years... The secondary has not changed except some of the faces are different.

The last time the Browns were in the playoffs did they have any trouble intercepting Pittsburgh's QB 4 times?  Even Santa Claus isn't that nice to Cleveland...  I don't give the first Rat who was back in the secondary that night because the pressure they brought up front was relentless and impressive.  Pitt got some junk-time points and stats after the game had already already been decided. Someone said "yeah but Big Ben threw for over 500 yards" to which I replied yeah but his most reliable receivers were wearing Brown and Orange all night.  

Nicks, whoever told you the only way this team is ever going to look like it has caught fire is to put Tabasco Sauce in your eyes right before opening kickoff gave you horrible advice.  That ain't working.  

I'm going to say this 1 more time.  That team that made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in January of 2021 was basically a Hollywood Higgins' fumble at the 1" line for a touchback away from being in an AFC Championship Game.  The 1st playoff win was without our Head Coach meaning?  The Offensive and Defensive Coordinators were quite promising.  Let's try to stop flying off the handle every week about who sucks or needs to be fired this early on in a year we only had 3 preseason games.

I think we have talent in our secondary if we can get them a little more professional with their communications and pre-snap cues/keys.  If our FO wants it to look like we're attacking passers/defending running games with more than just pawns - let's bring in some legit DTs to prevent such a thing. 

Let's see what happens moving forward....  

[nickers]

2 hours ago, Flugel said:

The last time the Browns were in the playoffs did they have any trouble intercepting Pittsburgh's QB 4 times?  Even Santa Claus isn't that nice to Cleveland...  I don't give the first Rat who was back in the secondary that night because the pressure they brought up front was relentless and impressive.  Pitt got some junk-time points and stats after the game had already already been decided. Someone said "yeah but Big Ben threw for over 500 yards" to which I replied yeah but his most reliable receivers were wearing Brown and Orange all night.  

Nicks, whoever told you the only way this team is ever going to look like it has caught fire is to put Tabasco Sauce in your eyes right before opening kickoff gave you horrible advice.  That ain't working.  

I'm going to say this 1 more time.  That team that made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in January of 2021 was basically a Hollywood Higgins' fumble at the 1" line for a touchback away from being in an AFC Championship Game.  The 1st playoff win was without our Head Coach meaning?  The Offensive and Defensive Coordinators were quite promising.  Let's try to stop flying off the handle every week about who sucks or needs to be fired this early on in a year we only had 3 preseason games.

I think we have talent in our secondary if we can get them a little more professional with their communications and pre-snap cues/keys.  If our FO wants it to look like we're attacking passers/defending running games with more than just pawns - let's bring in some legit DTs to prevent such a thing. 

Let's see what happens moving forward....  

I'll believe it when I see it Tom...

[Flugel]

10 hours ago, nickers said:

I'll believe it when I see it Tom...

I just told you, in the only playoff game the Browns have won in the last 28 years, they intercepted the QB 4 times in January of 2021.  That's evidence that this DC can help us if he has the right people upfront, at LBer and in the secondary. In all, that defense caused 5 turnovers and gave Baker and our backup playcaller the short field enough times for the Browns to score 48 points.  The Browns were up 48-29 until Pitt scored a junk-time TD with 1:09 remaining.

Now you're pretending you never saw such a thing. Is this the little game you want me to play?  If so, I don't have time - maybe Chuck-E-Cheese has a Cleveland Browns message board with age groups that like to play pretend. 

Hopefully everyone is aware of all the starters that might not play on the DL.  That said, it could be an ideal opportunity for Winfrey/others to upgrade the guy they are replacing inside.  Myles Garrett is going to be a huge loss.  I don't know if Clowney hopping around on a pogo stick is a good idea or gives us anything close to what he is with 2 healthy ankles.  He might need another week or so if it's a high ankle problem.

Atlanta has some weapons very good weapons at RB, WR and TE.  If go man coverage and Mariota sees some backs downfield turned to him - he can do some serious damage with his legs.  I hope that all 3 phases are ready to giddy-up and get after Atlanta.

[nickers]

2 hours ago, Flugel said:

I just told you, in the only playoff game the Browns have won in the last 28 years, they intercepted the QB 4 times in January of 2021.  That's evidence that this DC can help us if he has the right people upfront, at LBer and in the secondary. In all, that defense caused 5 turnovers and gave Baker and our backup playcaller the short field enough times for the Browns to score 48 points.  The Browns were up 48-29 until Pitt scored a junk-time TD with 1:09 remaining.

Now you're pretending you never saw such a thing. Is this the little game you want me to play?  If so, I don't have time - maybe Chuck-E-Cheese has a Cleveland Browns message board with age groups that like to play pretend. 

Hopefully everyone is aware of all the starters that might not play on the DL.  That said, it could be an ideal opportunity for Winfrey/others to upgrade the guy they are replacing inside.  Myles Garrett is going to be a huge loss.  I don't know if Clowney hopping around on a pogo stick is a good idea or gives us anything close to what he is with 2 healthy ankles.  He might need another week or so if it's a high ankle problem.

Atlanta has some weapons very good weapons at RB, WR and TE.  If go man coverage and Mariota sees some backs downfield turned to him - he can do some serious damage with his legs.  I hope that all 3 phases are ready to giddy-up and get after Atlanta.

Big deal... One game... They are inconsistent at best... Yeah... Injuries happen.. Every secondary has a good game.... I'm not pretending anything... I don't know why your losing your mind over this... Maybe you ate too much Chucky cheese last week..

[Flugel]

1 minute ago, nickers said:

Big deal... One game... They are inconsistent at best... Yeah... Injuries happen.. Every secondary has a good game.... I'm not pretending anything... I don't know why your losing your mind over this... Maybe you ate too much Chucky cheese last week.. Joe Woods is a shit coach is all I said... He'e sucked everywhere he's been...

Dude, I don't even know why I walk into the kitchen any more.  It's already gone.  Truth be told, I'm not sure if he's a big problem or he's just getting too much credit for problems.  Every defensive position group has a Coach and an assistant coach. We also have a Defensive Run Game Coordinator and a Pass Game Coordinator on top of all that.  That's either really impressive or we have too many Chiefs and not enough Indians/Guardians/Browns.  That said, inside our injured book ends - we're playing gridiron chess with pawns our front office seems content with.  Hopefully Winfrey can change my mind about that.  We're only 3 games old this year so we'll get our answers soon.  

But if firing a Coordinator was the only solution - what do you think keeps going wrong with all these dejavues keeping you from exhaling?